Bakshi's LotR is better than Jackson's, and you are a plebian if you say otherwise

Bakshi's LotR is better than Jackson's, and you are a plebian if you say otherwise.

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It's not, but thanks for the contrarian hipster elitist opinion.

I love the rotoscope sequences and the animation as a whole but its petty lackluster.

OP is correct, it's kino. Neither of you deserve to live.

I do love rotoscoping. I wish it had caught on.

Didn't the composer homage the Orc theme with the Mordor theme in LotR?

At least Jackson's had animation.

What the fuck are you talking about? Bakshi's is the animated one

it's a shame it ends in the middle of the story because they ran out of funding or something.

Incorrect, kiddo.

They didn't run out of funding, the movie just would have been five hours long

are you on the spectrum?

why didn't they do the second half?

That animation may look good as a still but seeing it actually movie is cringy. It looks so bad.

And fucking christ, that movie's version of the Balrog is awful.

Its a decent movie otherwise, but it ain't got shit on Jackson's.

You have autism

I like it, it gives the film an interesting look

did they run out of money at some point when the animation style changes completely?

Balrog in Fellowship of the Ring isn't really any better. It literally just looks like a giant satan

Because it was a bomb

PJ gave it a shout out by lifting the "PROUDFEET!" shot from Bilbo's party

WHERE THERE'S A WHIP
*CRACK*
THERE'S A WAY

Wrong animated Tolkien adaptation fuckwit

>Jackson interprets Fire of Orthanc as Saruman's life of dabbling in lore and the dark arts yielding the first discovery of primitive gunfire, furthering the thematic ties between mechanization / industrialization and the destruction of the peaceful pastoral paradise

>Bakshi interprets Fire of Orthanc as Saruman standing on his roof and shooting lasers at Helm's Deep from halfway across Middle Earth with his magic stick

The exact same thing could be said about the Bakshi film

This opinion is correct. All others are wrong.

Bed and breakfast in Isengard!!

this was by far my favorite movie when i was a kid. but i'm affraid of watching it again, because i think it wold up anymore (especially after enjoying jackson's movies aswell)

That looks pretty cool. I would totally pay money to see this project continued, with some old parts cleaned a bit. Same style, just a bit more brushed every now and there.

Also bring part the old staff back on the project, if they haven't died already. It should look like it was actually done in the same year. But they probably could do things a lot faster with today's tech.

Just so we could have this one thing more in this world.

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compared to
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You're right senpai, it really is no better.

>Not preferring the Rankin Based version

Rotoscoping is objectively terrible but there's some kind of nice atmosphere in Ralph Bakshi's work. It's comparable to like, the smell of old furniture leather from the 70s. It has sort of a nostalgic and wellsettled feeling, especially Wizards.

>Rotoscoping is objectively terrible
What?
Or did you just mean the lazy rotoscoping in some scenes of this film?

It's literally a demon of fire. What else should it look like but a giant Satran?

It did. And now they've added blue rubber suits and cgi.

Hackson did lifted a lot of stuff

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what through me off about the animation style is that even though it was always rotoscoped, the way the characters were drawn would constantly shift from cartoony to fuzzy, high-contrast live action looking style.

There's a lot of movies that use it. Most of it you don't realize what your seeing is rotoscoped. There's a lot of 3D rotoscoping now where a low quality 3D character is rotoschoped over like in this vid,

youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

And there's movies like,

youtube.com/watch?v=hkjDUERgCQw

However, the more modern techniques are motion capture to 3D like in,

youtube.com/watch?v=xLQ39bn8-98

i remember the dub too user

>let's go with the Christian lore bullshit instead

Imagine what this fucker would have looked like on the big screen.

Yea absolutely. I specifically remember being creeped out by the inn scene as a kid and not being able to put my finger on why. The mix of purely animated hobbits and Aragorn with the thinly drawn over bar patrons is jarring and nightmarish

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>it's kino
>tumblr as the filename

Nah, Bakshi ain't got shit on the 1980 return of the king movie.

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That's awful. And it would have looked like shitty CGI clusterfuck

>le everything a face Miller

Being alien just for the sake of it doesn't make it good.

>those midgets

MY FUCKINGS SIDES

like a headache-inducing clusterfuck

More like everything is overly detailed and jagged.

>CGI

Naw, they should do it with practical effects, not CGI, kid.

The Boromir scene was done much better in this one than in Jackson's.

Peter Jackson's adaption is automatically inferior since it didn't have this song in it.

youtube.com/watch?v=VoAfb3f04mo

GANDALF FUCKING FELL OFF HIS HORSE IN HACKSON'S BASTARDIZATION WHAT A SHIT TROLOGY 0/100

It's great when he's depicting Chaos but he shoves it in too much where it doesn't belong.

You know we both posted the same design from a different angle right?

It would look like shit anyway

He's one of those dumbfucks that think rotoscoping isn't animation.

Ow damn renaissance trailer looks nice

It isn't real animation, though. It's literally tracing, and not nearly as flexible since the effect is so goddamn obvious.

It potentially would've been on par if WB let Bakshi finish it with his plans for Return of the King. Giving it back to Rankin/Bass was a bad idea. The team was great for The Hobbit, but Lord of the Rings was suited to a more adult-oriented approach.

That really depends on the style. Check this list out, as you may be surprised,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rotoscoped_works

>one style of rotoscope is the only style

Yeah, you can just fuck off right now. Even the style you're talking about is leagues cooler than most modern CG.

Not really surprised, it's pretty obvious in all of those works for the most part. Not saying it doesn't have its uses, but to call it animation, regardless of style is just wrong since it is by definition tracing something.
Most of the time it looks like a fucking photoshop filter. I wouldn't call that better than modern CG, they're both shit and lazily done most of the time.

why would the dwarves make their home so scary looking?

They have an underground culture

That pretty fucking cool. They wouldn't have been able to pull it off then. Thats straight kino material tho

>it's kino
>I'm 16 and trying to fit in

Anyway, Ralph Bakshi is a cunt.

This is a good example of where it looks shitty. The stills and backgrounds are gorgeous, but those hobbits look fucking horrendous. Like they're out of a low budget disney film from the 80s.

What else?

Neither did Bakshi's. That's from the Rankin Bass one

Then Bakshi is also inferior.

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Jackson definitely took more inspiration from Bakshi than he lets on. Off the top of my head

>Hobbits hiding from the Ring Wraith is staged the same way

>Aragorn & Co. meeting Gandalf the White is staged the same way

>Weathertop is depicted and fight scene is staged very similarly

>Eomer replaces Erkenbrand and saves Theoden & Co. at Helm's Deep

>The entire scene of the Ring Wraiths invading Bree and slashing up the Hobbits' beds was an original idea of Bakshis and PJ used it and also staged the scene the same way

>all dem early Cool world faps

well, there was something he did right

I preferred the rotoscoping in Fire and Ice.

Then its not full animation. Its still animated.

I mean a bunch of animation in most classic disney is rotoscoped. Even the Fleischer studio understood the artistic value of rotoscoping.

You dont know what your talking user, sorry.

Also Elijah Wood doing his voice like the cartoon Frodo.

Damn that bree scene is purekino

I remember reading somewhere that Jackson was accused of copying the opening of the film with the voiceover, since that's not from the book, but he explained that he hadn't even seen the Bakshi version.

>confusing Bakshi's nauseating roto-shit with Rankin Bass's whimsical masterpiece

actually my main gripe with the jackson balrog is that it doesn't look like a satan at all
it looks like dumb fucking monster with the IQ of a chicken, not a fearsome demon from another age
and it is also just too iconic for its own good, something from which the jackson trilogy has generally suffered a lot
I mean sticking to some classic fantasy imagery isn't bad for fuck sake
generally I consider the jackson trilogy to be pretty much perfect up until the green ghost army shows up in minas tirith but visually I can't say it trumps the cartoon versions

Then he admitted in the commentary that he lifted the PROUDFEET scene from Bakshi so I'm not sure why he lied about not seeing it.

He might have been trying to avoid a lawsuit at the time

Tracing is animation.

Me sir? Go and see the elves. Oh, Hoooray!

I don't think anyone in this thread actually knows what rotoscoping...

shitmouth

Or any Looney Tunes cartoon or like half of all animated Disney movies ever made

You are actually retarded if you think that looney toons or Disney are anything other than like 99% animation. They used rotoscoping occasionally, but to imply that it was primarily rotoscoping is incredibly insulting to the animators.

why was Sam literally a retard?

youtu.be/vUH5jIhIcac?t=13s

At least he wasn't as bad as Hildebrandt's.

Because he is.

Rotoscoping was a thing from the 20's to the 90's. Then they added computers and call it mo-cap. How much more caught on do you need?

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Producers thought having a Saruman and a Sauron was too confusing so they made Bakshi change it to Aruman but the note came too late so in half the scenes they call him Saruman and in the other half Aruman (thus an effort to make it slightly less confusing ending up making it a million times MORE confusing).

It is stupid that the names are so similar and they both end up as adversaries though. I would imagine that's a product of Tolkien making up the stories as he wrote them.

Then I'm a plebeian, and proud of it.

maybe they sound similar because the characters are similarly evil and every name in his writings actually means something?

>Implying rotoscoping isn't legitimate animation
>Implying Disney movies were not mostly rotoscoped
>Implying the few bits that weren't are incredibly easy to spot because they switch to a 2D plain and physics stops working. IE the comic relief cutaway characters, and even they are often rotoscoped in places as well.
>Implying most of these rotoscopes aren't rotoscopes of other animations.

see this clip
youtube.com/watch?v=9pph-ayIrOk

note the differences between Cinderella and the Fairy compared to the carriage drivers.

I do. I think they think it doesn't count if it isn't a Scanner Darkly style obvious trace.

Wait, holy shit I remember this. We had it on video when I was wee, used to watch it before I even knew what lotr was, and certainly long before jackson did his thing. It was cool as fuck, and pretty scary for a child too.

The poster's better than the film

Too "metal"