How can one man be so devoid of political literacy?

How can one man be so devoid of political literacy?

>communism doesn't work because people like to not starve to death

I'd like to own the means of production

>people don't starve in capitalism

Would you give your computer away? Share your internet with 20 people? 10 people?

>How can one man be so devoid of political literacy?
You know firsthand, OP, share us the knowledge.

>communism doesn't work because people don't like to be thrown into forced labor camps for disagreeing with the government shooting innocents

Not what communism is.

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Communism doesn't work because to get it you have to put representatives into the high ranking positions to return the power to the workers but the representatives usually find themselves quite liking the power and so don't transfer it down but rather keep it for themselves.

He's right.

>communism has existed for centuries
>tomes upon tomes have been written on the subject
>the fantasy has influenced movements and ideologies all over the globe
>even today learned professors debate its merits and interpret its relevance to modern politics
>but Zappa destroyed virtually every one of these millions of lazy daydreaming pseuds with nine simple words
Is there anything this man couldn't do?

>y capitalism is bad
>*picture of a fat man in a top hat*

>What exactly is your 'fair share' of what 'someone else' has worked for?
Great question, classcuck! I'll ask that to my boss, who privately owns the means of production and extracts the surplus value of my labor and gives me crumbs of what my actual labor is worth. Indeed, what exactly is his fair share of what I have worked for? Zero! That's why I believe in common ownership of the means of production, or socialism.

>but not a jew because that would be bad

What worthless liberal arts degree are you pursuing at college? How do you like your cafeteria's food?

They only have themselves to blame though.

>people don't like to be thrown into forced labor camps for disagreeing with the government shooting innocents
I don't know, user. A lot of people voted for Trump.

>grasping for straws THIS bad

Actually, I'm not a cuck since I'm the one with power who owns the means of production. I'm the bull, which makes you my cuck by your own admission :^)

>what my actual labour is worth
0 (zero)

le bootstraps meme

All strawmen btw, read the bread book

Make good music.

Collectivists are subhuman

Well, it certainly is worth enough for my boss to steal it from me and put it on the market.

>shelf stacker thinks he's worth more than the people that created his job.
Create your own business if you don't like it.

>dividing politics into "collectivists" and "individualists"
lmaoing at your life rn

If you literally can't even find a way to earn $2 a day to buy a Big Mac then I don't know what to tell you.

>pays you a wage
>stealing from you

>people down own stuff under communism
WRONG
communism is any economic system in which the means of production are owned by the state

>surplus value is created through work
WRONG
surplus value is created through differences in relative valuation

Libertarianism is truly astrology for 19 year-old white dudes. Communism is a pipe dream, though. It can never produce the GDP necessary to compete with capitalism on the global stage.

BUT, you libertarian jackoffs, that doesn't mean that the goal of a sensible economy should be maximizing GDP at all costs.

Trade-offs, man. You have to strike a balance between keeping your national economy competitive and maximizing median household income. That's how you build a healthy economy. Find the point of maximum utility.

Was referring to Zappa's comment.

How edgy you have to be to support communism nowadays?

there's not a surplus of jobs

>if someone steals your computer but leaves you the GPU then they didn't actually steal from you :^))))))))))
>communism is any economic system in which the means of production are owned by the state
lmao

Lots of fags in this thread

>job creator meme
top kek

So, I ask you: what is your 'fair share' of what 'someone else' (me) has worked for?

>the communism meme
like, go live on a commune.

Dude you could paint some fags fence, mow a lawn, clean a roof, suck a dick, smuggle some drugs, panhandle, return some abandoned carts to a supermarket, recycle some garbage, sell some hippy wristbands made from your own hair.
If you literally starve to death then you weren't even trying lmao.

No, but would you?

>jobs appear out of nowhere meme
top kuk

>communism doesn't work because the people in communist countries are whiny pussies

now this is shitposting

Herbie?? Is that you? Save me darling!

>I am ronald mcdonald and i aprov this message
God damn I hate all this political bullshit but that made me laugh.

what a complete retard zappa was

no wonder all he could do in his music was make fart jokes, rape jokes and poop jokes

>communism is any economic system in which the means of production are owned by the state

That's Fascism dumbshit

Wrong. Fascism is when le orange mas says there should be vetting on immigrants

t. my sociology professor

You dumb motherfucker.

>t. sociology professor

All of it, since I was the one who awarded you the privilege of working for me and paid for the costs and ideas behind the product. But since I'm kind I allow you a small salary

>mfw commies have invaded Sup Forums

Are you all just salty fags with degrees in music theory mad that you're working a shit job?

Do you realize what communism actually entails?

"socialists" and "communists" have no idea what ideologies like these actually require to be successful. It won't be some utopian world where everyone has the same 2-story suburban house like you do.

You aren't some savior of the proletariat.

You are the enemy.

You, with your record players and computers are what fuels their class-hatred in the first place.
You have the luxury and time that a capitalist society provides to defend an ideology developed by men who were apart of the "bourgeoisie" they wrote of in the first place.

Wanna know what happens if this "revolution" you want goes through?

The lower-class from the projects to the trailer park have more in common with each other than with you, and will unite in the face of class warfare to overthrow YOUR comfortable middle-class lifestyle for the sake of the commune. You won't have any of the luxuries you enjoy. You will have ONLY necessities, and nothing more.

...and if you dare even lift a FINGER in hesitation, they'll kill you without a second thought for not being dedicated enough to their cause.
The bourgeoisie whose wealth you want to "redistribute" will move out of the country with their money in their Swiss bank accounts, and you'll realize that there's nothing to redistribute.

The world can be more equal for the working class, absolutely. But this far-left pipe dream simply has never been successful without widespread suffering.

Has capitalism caused suffering?

Absolutely.

But the standard of living in capitalist societies has almost ALWAYS been higher for the working class when compared to socialist countries. See North Korea vs South Korea, Venezuela vs Chile, Hong Kong and Taiwan vs the rest of China.

In essence, fucking kill yourselves. It leaves more opportunities for the rest of us.

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The worth of your job is based on how easy it is to replace you.

all is see here is a bunch of strawman

laugh off the booze

>op got trolled by a quote

Not edgy, its just that commies fail to see its flaws.

did you seriously plagiarize that shitty copypasta?

Difference is that everyone starves equally under communism.

>have no idea what strawman means

man sargon got old

one of the fundaments of communism is that no one person owns anything, everything belongs to the community as a whole (though most notions that took up communism took this to mean everything is owned by the government), you yourself own nothing.

And people will get annoyed by that because they like to own stuff, thus causing problems with communism.

if this isn't a pasta you should kill yourself

You're right, you don't.

What are you talking about OP? Frank Zappa was correct on this particular fact.

personal property =/= private property dumbass

see DUBS DON'T LIE!

People want to own both. What's your problem?

His "problem" is that private property refers to the means of production, not your house and clothes and gadgets.

I know, they're all things people want to own.

Yes, and the French nobility wanted to own palaces and slaves. What's your point?

That's what they wanted, that's what they did

possession is a meme in general

as long as I get to use their stuff too, i couldn't give less of a shit

Give me your lunch money nerd.

I stopped reading at 'utopian'. Marxist communism has never been utopian and has always frowned upon more idealist movements like anarcho-communism and the earler French utopian socialists.

Karl Marx never really said in detail what communism would look like, he merely expressed hope that it would be a more just world than bourgeois society.

But what if they download child porn and you get caught with it? What if they cum all over that keyboard and screen?

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Yes, and they don't own them today, because things change.

Literally nobody in this thread has made that argument but keep on using that strawman you've constructed there buddy :^)

Under communism, you can be denied food and starve to death merely for being a member of a politically unacceptable class.