How bad will it be, Sup Forums?

How bad will it be, Sup Forums?

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You'll watch it anyway and use the experience to support the delicate psychological structure you call yourself.

Star Trek fans will hate it.

but seriously, fuck those basement dwelling asexual nerds.

BTW, not written by Orci or Kurtzman who are cancer.

>written by Simon Pegg
Oh hey! That's pretty cool, I--
>directed by Justlin Lin

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDD

This is C+ trolling, but we all know "Into Darkness" was bad enough to cure anyone of thinking Nu-Trek is worth a shit.

>we all know "Into Darkness" was bad enough to cure anyone of thinking Nu-Trek is worth a shit.

Everything that made the first two shit is gone though.

The Beastie Boys are still in this one.

Im willing to give him a chance and not assume he's going to Fastify the movie. His technical skills are on point.

Why is 09 praised but into darkness hated? They're both basically the same movie -- visually dazzling brain dead action in space. I thought both were okay.

Wrath of Khan 2: Wrath Khaner was derivative as fuck.

Yeah, heh, and you can tell that to the kanji club faggot

Bad enough to further soil the name.
Not bad enough to stop even worse sequels from coming.

the first one was at the very least an interesting way to reboot the series

the sequel was basically a vapid "lets remake a movie but slightly different", plus people were kind of pissed that they constantly promoted it as "not Khan" then it was just khan

Is that reason enough to hate it though? Even though they recycled/reinvented a character the movie still holds up I think.

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So much of it is referential to the OG Khan it struggles to stand on its own....and then they have one of their characters ring up one of the characters from the original movie to tell the audience how scary Khan is.

It will be trekkino

>Movie holds up
Literally every plot movement goes against basic logic, from as soon as the research facillity is exploded.

>Starfleet has an HQ
>This HQ is not closely monitored and protected to avoid direct attacks, despite the militant approach they adopted since Nero's first appearance 20 years ago.

>Big Bad magically creates cross-galaxy transporter technology

>Enterprise is sent to "the edge of the neutral zone" to (if necessary) deploy special long range torpedoes to kill big bad
>Apparently "the edge of the neutral zone" is in the middle of the fucking star system from which the Klingons originate, since they can casually take a shuttle there and put it on screen.

>Bigger Bad gave the enterprise special torpedoes, so Khan surrenders so his people don't die
>Doesn't keep any of them for himself as a guarantee, in case Khan (the guy who can casually teleport across the galaxy and do whatever else he wants, and might aswell just have V'Ger on fast dial at this point) manages to take over the Enterprise somehow either by working with Kirk, or by some other means
>Also expects Khan to figure out that they have the torpedoes filled with his people (After all, if he didn't want Khan to surrender, it's even stupider, as he could've got rid of the proof himself, and just give a proper direct kill order on Khan)

>Bigger Bad had a spaceship being built in total secret
>Super duper secret
>Just so happens to amount to the Death Star of that era of Star Trek (if we don't count V'Ger), but of course no one knew about it

>Khan naturally betrays Kirk and everyone else the first chance he gets, despite being in a really shitty spot, launching a full offensive against the protagonists for no good reason when he could've taken this chance to play nice, get his crew out of stasis, play the good guy for a short while and then do whatever the hell he wanted to do with humanity when he doesn't need to do it all alone

>Magic blood cures death

Kahn knew about the larger starship and the torpedos. He developed the torpedos.

Robocop wanted Kirk to use said torpedos on Kahn and start an intergalactic war.

Kirk wasn't supposed to land on the planet. Robocop specifically sent Kirk because he thought he was an irrational asshole and would fire without thinking.

Robocop wanted a war so he'd essentially become the General of Starfleet. He was basically Trump, lets build a defensive fleet in case we get attacked again.

Kahn acts irrationally when it comes to getting his crew back, but from what I remember it never gets into why he turned on Starfleet to begin with.

The only thing retarded about the film is when Kahn runs a Battle Cruiser by himself.

>Kahn knew about the larger starship and the torpedos. He developed the torpedos.
Yes. Khan knew about them, but no one else in the entirety of Starfleet knew about it, nor about Khan.

>Robocop wanted Kirk to use said torpedos on Kahn and start an intergalactic war.
Why the fuck would you do that with those Torpedoes then? Your one ace in the hole against Khan (Who again, could report the fuck away to literally anywhere given what is established about him)

>Kirk wasn't supposed to land on the planet. Robocop specifically sent Kirk because he thought he was an irrational asshole and would fire without thinking.
Doesn't explain how he could do it from the edge of The Neutral Zone
Do you know what a "neutral" zone is? It's the no-man's land which serves as a buffer between two territories.
Kirk could send out a shuttle and put the Klingon Homeworld on screen from the edge of that shit.
You don't have to have seen Voyager and their establishing of the world's first on board observatory to know how ludicrous the concept of that kind of zoom is.

>Robocop wanted a war so he'd essentially become the General of Starfleet. He was basically Trump, lets build a defensive fleet in case we get attacked again.
Fine sentiment. Doesn't explain how the fuck he managed to pull one over the entire Federation.
Don't get me wrong, rogue Admirals with secrets are a thing, but when you're building the closest thing your sector of the galaxy has to a functioning Death Star at the moment?
You're not gonna manage to keep that a secret.

>Kahn acts irrationally when it comes to getting his crew back, but from what I remember it never gets into why he turned on Starfleet to begin with.
How is not explaining his motivation a defence? It just makes it worse.

>The only thing retarded about the film is when Kahn runs a Battle Cruiser by himself.
Certain it's not the jump through space they did before it?

>Kahn knew about the larger starship and the torpedos. He developed the torpedos.
Okay?

But does Robocop know the secret of the torpedoes? If he does know, why doesn't he keep some as hostages? If he doesn't know, how is he so incompetent that he is not monitoring the whereabouts of his hostages?

>Robocop wanted Kirk to use said torpedos on Kahn and start an intergalactic war.
>Kirk wasn't supposed to land on the planet. Robocop specifically sent Kirk because he thought he was an irrational asshole and would fire without thinking.
Okay?

But how far away is the Enterprise from Qo'noS? How far away is the Neutral Zone from Qo'noS? How are they sooooooo far away that the Klingons don't know they're there, but ALSO close enough that they can make it in a five-minute shuttle ride?

>Robocop wanted a war so he'd essentially become the General of Starfleet. He was basically Trump, lets build a defensive fleet in case we get attacked again.
Okay?

But we've already seen this story in Star Trek before, someone trying to appoint themselves the leader of a militarized Starfleet for "the good" of everyone else. So when JJ Abrams reboots the franchise supposedly to take it in a new direction, but instead he takes it in an old direction, the audience interprets this as a flaw.

>Kahn acts irrationally when it comes to getting his crew back, but from what I remember it never gets into why he turned on Starfleet to begin with.
Okay?

That's a flaw in the movie. The character isn't developed within the movie, and instead the audience is supposed to trust that they're evil because of events which did not occur (Space Seed and TWOK). The movie is weakened by Khan's lack of motivation.

>The only thing retarded about the film is when Kahn runs a Battle Cruiser by himself.
Your arguments were already nonsensical, but now I am convinced that you didn't even read the post to which you are replying. Let me remind you,
>Magic blood cures death