Why haven't they released synthetic opiates yet? Have synthetic meth coke and marijuana

Why haven't they released synthetic opiates yet? Have synthetic meth coke and marijuana.

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They have, they're shit.

What are the they called and why are they shit?

Fentanyl?

Demerol
Fentanyl
Dilaudid
Norco
Lortab
Atarax
Methadone
Buprenorphine

All synthetic. Most of them are fairly shit.

Dilaudid is okay (hydromorphone), but nothing particularly special.

Opana (oxymorphone) is a semi-synthetic that is fucking AMAZING though. Like, better than heroin amazing. I've done most of the popular opiates and some lesser known ones, and if I could get me some Opana... well, I'd be super fucking high.

Don't do drugs. They're just too good.

I mean like the bathsalt shit. Walk into a store an buy it legally.

Nah man, hydrocodone is semi-synthetic. Lortab and Norco are just brand names for hydrocodone/acetaminophen preparations.

You aren't going to be buying any type of opioids at a store, unless you're in the UK (or Canada?) where you can purchase codeine OTC. There are shit tier research chemicals online that will likely kill you, that's it. If you're going to fuck with opioids then shell out the big bucks and buy pharmaceuticals.

>Canada?
Prescription here.

Tylenol 1's are OTC. 8mg codeine, 15mg caffeine, 300mg acetaminophen. Google is a thing you faggots

>not in the states bud
Reading is a fucking thing

How come some rogue Chem fag can't make some legal synth opiates, label it incense or some shit? Would make a shit ton of cash.

I never understood the difference or how you could have semi synthetic.
Also wish morphine worked the way it used to for me.
Thinking of going to buprenorphine for pain. What do anons think?

Ah, I had heard that in certain provinces low-dose codeine preparations were OTC, must have been BS.

That would work out terribly, the lethal dose for most synthetic opioids is too close to the active dose. Plus with the whole "MUH OPIOID EPIDEMIC" thing going on right now, there is no way it could fly under the radar.

Those would be pointless for recreational use anyways.

not really, you just would have to do a rather large amount of cwe

>impling the post didn't make it seem like the poster thought they were prescription only in Canada

Still a faggot

Yeah, but caffeine is water soluble as well, so to get a decent dose you would have to ingest 150mg+ of caffeine as well.

True

Not economically, but if we're talking about a weekend warrior type of user doing big CWE's (100 tabs for nearly 10 bucks), it becomes somewhat feasible.

Assuming the user is too much of a pussy to get a real addiction, that is.

Which is still less than one strong (monster level) energy drink. The codeine by far outweighs the caffeine, no matter how you stack it.

>you would have to ingest 150mg+ of caffeine as well
so?

Bumping for answer pls

Meth is already a synthetic,

opiates are natural
opiods are not
op is dumb

I'm not saying it is impossible to get high from it, but the "nod" (which so many opioid users search for) may be ruined. Of course, if you have a high caffeine tolerance then it won't matter.

>Opiate
Meth is an amphetamine, not an opiate nor an opiod

They have done that its banned now. it was just like weak heroin

It's called Kratom

burenorphne. Thats subutex aint it. wtf would you want that unless you want o stop wd;s

>Kratom
Are you fags even trying anymore?
Literally a leaf

I've known a lot of heroinnaddixts who got of dope but still needed an opiod for pain and they say the subs help but the ceiling dose on them is 32mg I believe. So anything higher you would not feel a difference. Kinda sucks but better then Vic's which would lead to dope.

I wish i could find more facts about the solubility of codeine

dont ingest high doses of caffiene you will sart having spasms and shit in your dick no lie. Thats why they put the caffiene in it for, so you cant cwe

They gave me atarax in the psych ward after they stopped giving me ativan. i would recommend.

maybe he meant methadone

It also helps reduce cravings and withdrawal symptoms caused by opiate use. The action of methadone is similar to other synthetic (man-made) medicines in the morphine category (opioids). Substances that are derived directly from the opium plant (such as heroin, morphine, and codeine) are known as opiates.

I think subutex has naloxine in it. Bup was originally devolved for pain even tho it's a partial antagonist.
I just want pain relief. I heard you're supposed to rotate meds every three months and I've been on morphine for years

I tried that shit ages ago when I tried coming of heroin and it does fuck all.
It dosnt bind to the same receptors as opies do

what do you mean lol. fentanyl is a synthetic opiate. heroin is semi-synthetic

Also quick question, whats the appeal of downers?
Idk I've always been an uppers kinda kid.
Snorted poor man's coke in highschool instead of smoking weed

It dissolves in cold water.
What more do you need to know about that

I'm trying to get enough info to have a good talk with my doctor. I've been through hell. I just want to be semi normal again. I did get some hardware last year that helped

The sub with nalaxone init is called suboxone

downers make you feel really relaxed and satisfied instead of wired the fuck out

To separate it from caffiene.
I knew it seperated in water. I need to know what other, and more precisely what it doesn't dissolve in that caffiene does, like say ethanol.

Well maybe check to see if doing that amount of caffiene is ok first. If like you said its the same as in a monster drink then it'd be ok.

Thanks m8

Anyone go through withdrawals and their cum shot turn to dribbles?
I've always had big nut shots and it scared the fuck out of me. Back on the morphine after a week of it and I was normal.

Yeah happens to me when im withdrawing to

The best thing is both. Cocaine and alcohol, adderall and weed, opiates and coke/speed, all good combos. I myself still prefer uppers because it makes me feel superhuman, but I can more than understand the downer mentality.

Well if it ruins the intended high, then it should be accounted as a problem.

I think boiling the caffiene/ethanol mixture with the nondissolved codiene granules will be the best bet. Then scraping the plate.
Dunno i failed chemistry

I FREAKED out. I really hope that it returns to normal if I ever get off the stuff.
It was like I was on steroids again. (Prednisone not muscle building types)

Prednisone sucks.
Fucking persistent leg jitters

>I mean like the bathsalt shit. Walk into a store an buy it legally.

On alibaba can buy enough carfentanil to kill yourself for a couple cents.

What's the deal with kratom is it legit? Bought some pills once didn't do shit.

Gotta get a concentrated extract, or eat several grams of the leaf.

People are cutting heroin with that shit these days

Ugh heard it tastes awful. Did they ban it yet?

It softened my vertebrae and my implant slipped. Surgeon said I was very close to being cut back open.
>carfentanil
Isn't that the elephant tranq shit?
I think it depends on what your habit is and body chemistry in general. A lot of people swear by it for withdrawals.

It actually doesn't taste bad at all, for what it is. The extracts remind me of green tea. The leaf is more bitter and you have to eat a lot of it, so that sucks.

DEA was trying to make it schedule 1, but It's not banned yet.

cnn.com/2016/10/17/health/kratom-dea-schedule-i-comments/

No but it's in the works. Thanks big government. The epidemic was caused by big pharma like perdue in the 90's I love that they were legal and caused the bullshit. It legit makes me angry. They strait lied to doctors and regulators about it's addictive issues.

Bump

Despite your horrible spelling, you aren't far from correct.

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theres a lot out there, but gas stations wont be stocking them.
most opioid research chemicals people have bothered to synthesize are like fantanyl; literally hundreds times the strength of morphine

you can buy these chemicals online. i would assume all but the most well read and experienced users of opioid drugs have died fucking with these chemicals.

overall, i do not recommend. these chemicals will not likely ever be stocked in your local convenience store. they are readily avaliable for purchase online.

also these guys do custom synthesis bulgalupum.com/
so i suppose if you are very well read you could go ahead and design the drug of your dreams

>It actually doesn't taste bad at all, for what it is.
You must be joking. I bought a ton of the stuff to help me with wd's and I would eat about 8 - 10 grams a time. shit didnt do anything to me apart from make me gag and dry heave trying to eat it. I know some junkies swear by iy but didnt do shit for my wd's

Jesus Christ they want to ban everything

Big pharma is a god damned vampire sucking the blood out of America

Kek, don't you know? Tendies are very addictive and kill over decades of abuse. Cholesterol is a silent killer.

They ban kinder eggs ffs. This country is ass backwards

I think we're one of the only if not the only county that has drug brand advertising. Not to mention shady laws regarding sales practises.
I can see why so many Americans want to burn the system down with trump.

Well, I avoid taking opioids to the point of developing a high tolerance. Sucks for you.

indeed it does suck for me I have to take methadone everyday just to feel like a normal person. goin detox in about 2mnths anyways

dilaudid and norco are both semi-synthetic, as is oxymorphone. Atarax doesn't have opioidergic activity at all, it's an old antihistamine that potentiates the opioid effect and has mild anxiolyric properties.

this exists, you can order research chemicals on the darknet. you can order fucked up fentanyl derivatives, shit fucks you up. but the DEA has scheduled all the good ones.

semisynthetic means they use poppy extract as a primary source of ingredient. so they chemically modify morphine in a lab. Synthetic means it's 100% created in a lab from chemicals not sourced from plants. buprenorphine is fine for pain, it binds tightly to the receptor. all that matters is the dose.

without the high cost of medication, we wouldn't have the same selection of medication that we do. high prices invite more competitors into the market. big pharma never would have made a bunch of opioid derivatives or innovative formulations if there weren't money to be made. capitalism.

Not him but I envy you..I used to be ok with an oxy when I had a bad day. Sometimes rain, snow cold etc would do it. Eventually I was on something everyday. Been 6 years of opioids and countless procedures and two back surgeries. It's a blessing and a curse all at once. I wish I could still get a nice relaxing buzz.

Take with chocolate milk is very nice

>buprenorphine is fine for pain, it binds tightly to the receptor. all that matters is the dose.

Yeah, I guess it has a ceiling. I'm desperate for something other than morphine. My Dr really doesn't want to rx any other long acting. MS contin is his go to. I'd be seeing some "addiction specialist" for the other stuff. Which is bullshit because I want fucking pain relief before I eat a .45 asprin

Well, chronic pain sucks friend. Not much you can do about that. I was talking in recreational terms. However, look up BU08028, there may be something worth hoping for coming.

For all the help so far

So it's ok for them to cheat lie and bribe?

>BU08028
Awesome, looking into it

They real or fake boobies?

No idea
If it's sanctioned by the government, yes :^)

They kind of torture the monkeys they're testing it on but it shows a ton of promise. If that's the price of progress it's worth it.
How did you find out about this stuff?

So who else loves this shit? Yeah, hardcore faggots will say it's not shit compared to their incapacitaing "mega highs". But I take two of these bad boys and day and I'm feeling chipper as can be. I run about a mile or two a day. Get all of my work and studying done. And feel like I have extra energy to boot.

Who else likes being productive and high?

>Who else likes being productive and high?

I just enjoy being productive. My high comes from being manic. I feel near invincible. That's how I ran out early last month. But I organized all my electronics and work bench like a madman. Even posted a pic in the /diy/ thread

Stopped working for me about junior year so I quit taking amphetamines altogether, the buzz is overrated and mostly for people who need something to function. People who need the stuff to feel normal usually end up not making it.

Codeine is actually otc at the Pharmacist's discretion in some states. Good luck getting one to actually give it to you though.

Oh, is that tramadol?

enjoy your seizures

You know it's Tramadol 50mg tho, right?

Synth opiates have been tried since the Boxer Rebellion. So far, no one has been able to create a synthetic that can duplicate the effects of the poppy. You figure that out, it is a billion dollar business.

Is that tramadol?
I used to take about ten 50mg tabs and it wouldnt even make me feel normal

no synthetic opiates? lmao where have you been for the last 100 or so years

150mg caffeine is just 1 decent cup of coffee
>you will start having spasms and shit in your dick
>no lie

See
Tramadol a shit. I was scared taking the max daily dose while I limped along to my next refill date.
I don't even know why they bother with it. It can't be safer, seems like you get all the drawbacks with more added on top.

I think he meant to purchase on the street or in gas stations like bath salts etc

There are different strains which have different effects. The most opiate like of them would be a red vein strain like Bali, Kali or Thai.

Watching cops compilations on YouTube. I've concluded the only thing worse than the opioid epidemic is the nigger epidemic.

I've been taking these for fucking 10 years, hate the shit because after your body gets dependent on it you no longer get a good buzz. You just feel normal. The only feeling I get from them is when I pop 4 or 5 when I wake up and get the initial kick-in.

The withdrawals from tramadol suck so damn much too. I don't know why they're so bad but literally worse than anything I've had to deal with and that includes oxycodone and hydrocodone.

Yeah I did do my research and got the red vein one.

Thats addiction for you. eventually you will wont be able to get high no matter how much you take

I know about the seizures when you take more tha 500mg thats why I only took that much