Alright so here's my ideal utopia

Alright so here's my ideal utopia.

3D Printing technology develops to the point of being able to print things on an atomic level. This makes basically all large scale capitalist production obsolete. People can print food, clothes, anything. The organization that develops the atomic printing technology ends up having more influence than the market and the government and basically a technocracy is formed. They print printers that can't print printers and give one to every household. Depending on the family size, they are given a certain amount of carbon cartridges to print whatever they desire. The more basic compounds such as food and clothing use less carbon obviously. If you need a new couch, you may have to have simpler meals etc. All jobs that aren't made obsolete by these printers will still be done by people. Since money is unnecessary, they will have to do it as a duty. No AI doing work. Imo people still need to work to maintain a sense of humanity, but thats just me.

Since the powers that be would not give up their power, there would have to be violent revolution to transition to this type of society.

thoughts?

bump i wanna see what all u faggots have to say about this especially since ur all abunch of anarcho-capitalist cucks

I can't see any government allowing that tech to develop so much and still allowing it to be given to the public.

thats why im thinking it would have to be developed in secret. also violent revolution

Why arbitrarily limit it so much?

If that kind of technology ever existed here's what would happen:

1) Group that created the technology would keep it secret and refine it for 30-50 years to be super cheap and insanely efefctive.

2) They would then stage a world invasion and kill off anyone they deemed unsuitable

3) They would become immortal and take over the planet

4) Then they'd invent faster than light travel and use the same process on other planets.

Rinse, repeat.

>Imo people still need to work to maintain a sense of humanity, but thats just me.

Yeah, people need to work for a pauper-like existence for multi millionaires/billionaires who don't work a single second in their entire lives to "keep a sense of humanity". Yeah, okay.

If this dumbass species gave everyone a million dollars a year and killed off those trillionaire hoarder pieces of shit, I guarantee we'd have post-light speed travel in under 20 years.

Violent revolution is nearly impossible in a lot of first world countries.

Not really. Also, a lot of first world countries are slowly teetering into second world little by little.

I think that a technocracy where peoples needs are provided for would be great, but I do think menial labor should be handed to the machines while humans and AIs would be given time for leisure or creative contribution. Of course, I'm sure there will always be handmade crafts, which is fine if it's done willingly and not coerced.

Also, for those who haven't seen it, I think Zeitgeist, while maybe a little too sensationalist at points, offers some good points and basically advocates for what is basically a sort of either communist or collectivist technocracy iirc.

hmmmmm. maybe a limit isnt necessary cause if people could have everything, what nee would they have to be assholes. My idea for the limit is just cause I think a benevolent dictator could be good.

everything else you said seems cool as fuck, so maybe limits wouldn't be the best option.

manual labor I can agree with but profession positions aught to always be handled by humans. AI kinda scares me

Wouldn't work, parasites at the top would accumulate all the resources and arbitrarily for no fucking reason limit the resources being sent to the bottom. Even if it were cheap or free for everyone to have as much as they wanted.

It's not about resources. It's about the obsession for control that the ultra rich have. Otherwise, they would have never gotten to that position in the first place.

Face it, this species will never realize such an existence. The best we can hope for is either self-imposed nuclear annihilation if we're smart or becoming a food/slave source for some random alien species that decides they're done with our shit.

>3D printer can print to sub-atomic level
>Cant print another 3D printer

fucking wah? theres gonna ways to hack and alterate this printers since day one for bootleg software.
This compleatly ignores the inherent malevolent intentions in humans

>hmmmmm. maybe a limit isnt necessary cause if people could have everything, what nee would they have to be assholes. My idea for the limit is just cause I think a benevolent dictator could be good.

A benevolent dictator would only exist if:

1) He were immortal and unkillable (had multiple bodies across many planets)
2) He actually loved the human species and would sacrifice himself in place to save any one of us (despite being immortal)
3) He killed off the evil people and continued to do so throughout his reign.

Only an AI or super advanced hybrid organic/mechanical machine would fit this description.

cringe
Kill yourself.

true. It would become anarchy but honestly thats okay.

Think about it though. What reason would you possible have for hacking it if it printed whatever the hell you wanted with no limits?

what he said is basically true. Do you even know what cringe means?

there is a limit though. The technocracy would provide the resource needed to print. Somebody would have to regulate that. whatever it is

Would never work that way. People would start bartering and specializing in printing certain goods and then you'd wind up with a monetary economy in some form or another. The only way to have a society without money is a society without scarcity. Your society has scarcity in the form of carbon carts.

Guns would be banned in this society? right now theres debate about 3D printed guns and how legal they actually are, its not helping that they are becomming better slowly.
What about drugs? all my food rations to just have shitlods of cocaine, and sell it in the black markets, it can replicate organic matter dosent it?
it can replicate medicaments? poisons? maybe dangerous hazzards.
Theres lots of good and lots of bad you can do with this type of technology

Are you aware of how much money 1 million times 7 billion is dude?

I think if that kind of technology existed, it wouldn't make scientific sense for the government to provide any such resource to print anything. You could theoretically just grind up any old matter into new matter. For example, take some stone and turn it into a turkey dinner.

The only reason for artificial scarcity to be applied with this kind of technology is because of control. The government would be afraid of letting people print whatever they want, even though the capability is technically there. The science is there and makes it perfectly possible, but again the ones at the top would limit it to keep people in control for their personal purposes.

Thats kinda the point tho

Since the machines work at the atomic level, they could deconstruct and reconstruct things too. Would a person get credits towards a shiny new couch for recycling their old one? Maybe even credits for finding discarded items on the streets and recycling them?

Presumably not. You could print a gun if you wanted. Why not? Same goes for every illegal item or subtance. If you wanted to print an Abomb, you probably could, but you'd have no need to try to use it in a malicious way. There would be no motive for hurting people if you had infinite resources and no strain on your freedom at all.

>rations

This is where the idea becomes less realistic. This kind of 3d printing technology wouldn't have "rations". It would be able to convert any matter to any other matter. When you start talking about rations, you might as well remove the 3d printer altogether, because then you're adding back artificial scarcity imposed by a system of government that wouldn't give the 3d printers to its subjects in the first place.

not OP, but money is not real anymore anyway.

I honestly never thought of it that way. Im glad I started this thread. this is making me think over shit in a whole new light.

>carbon cartridges
>print atomic level
>print only carbon things

Well, let's say we brought it down to 100k/year of free money for everyone. The richest person in the world alone is thought to have 15 trillion dollars. Then you have rich families with allegedly make 100 trillions or more per year. All hidden in offshore accounts of course

100 trillion is a million millions. A million is a thousand thousands.

That's enough to give 1 billion people 100k a year for absolutely no reason. Just free money. Can you imagine what the world would look like?

What about 50k? Or even 25k? 4 billion would be given 25k a year. Free money, no work. A lot of people can live comfortable on 25k a year without working. Can you imagine how society would look with all of people who can live without stress all of a sudden? It'd be a renaissance to dwarf anything in human history. But of course it's only wishful thinking.

And this is just talking about the total wealth of ONE family. There's more than 100 trillion out there. Imagine all the combined wealth that's being sat on by just a handful of people. It really boggles the mind.

OP HERE

So it seems like having limitations to what can be printed is no longer part of the equation.

I just following the idea that 1 company its gonna be the one providing the printers and the components necesary to use it, but if its infininte, theres still reazons why to print malicius treats
Jealousy, anger, hate and despair to other humans from some edgy teen bullied by other faggots, felling cucked by your wife, being jealous of being uncapable to relate with other humans, this technology would fix a problem in society, but not all of them, and following the constant that Human inventions somethimes are more advanced that human morals, its still a posibility.
That you dont need to work, dosent mean you gonna stop hating people

wouldn't make sense given the technology. It'd be like having a distiller but only a limited amount of water could be produced. The nature of the machine doesn't allow for the concepts of "rations" in a scientific sense. It only makes sense in an arbitrarily socially imposed sense, as by a government, for example.

it wouldn't fix all problems. it would fix all material problems. Lack of material issues would make social and moral issues easier to tackle

I honestly imagine more the Russian money collapse where childrens played with what was useless massive ammounts of money.
Inflation of the economy would be beyond grasping with somthing like that

Who fixes and maintains the printers?
How does one prevent a printer from making another?
Do you even realize how hard 3D printing would be at the atomic level? Especially since anything smaller than a Bucky ball is govern by quantum mechanics.
Have you thought about the cost of the "atom" cartridges? Not everything is made from carbon and purification is not cheap and not all elements are in the same physical phase (gas, liquid, or solid) under the same conditions?

I think that kind of thing would be severely minimized by 2 things:

1) Presumably, this kind of technology would create immortality. People would grow up in a sense. Do you really think some idiot's going to shoot you if you can just get patched up in a hospital and he gets put in jail for the next 300 years? Who would live through that? The psychology of hate and anger would fade away.

2) If you have a printer, so does the guy you don't like. And he would have the law on his side and be immortal too. It wouldn't be productive.

Also, it's kind of hard to stay mad when you can go home and have a feast/orgy/whatever of your choosing to cool off whenever you felt like it.

Over time, it would fix psychological problems as the idea of scarcity and competition among ourselves faded out of our evolutionary timeline.

That doesn't make sense when you convert it to cold. I may have used dollars in my example but I'm talking about actual wealth. People would have that much wealth per year, not fiat money. Inflation only happens like that with fiat money. If you convert that money to gold, it stops that kind of thing from happening.

And trust me, they are sitting on a LOT of gold. You cannot imagine that much gold next to you in your head as a human. It would astound you.

Leading to another psicological problem....Boredom

Humans are pathetic and weak creatures that requiere entreteintment, need somthing in what ocupate their lifes, if not...they go unbalanced.

Its proved on chimps and humans itself that intense periods where your brain its innactive, can generate allucinations, paranoia and other similar effects, because the brain requieres that challenge.

This can lead to 2 things, a society where another jump in all fields of knowloge exist, or a society of very unstable humans, constanting looking for a reazon to exist because they dont have a reazon anymore thanks to this machine, maybe both at the same time

That would be phased out when immortality came around.

Humans will easily find ways to keep themselves busy, such as colonizing other planets.

And keep in mind that there are plenty of people currently on Earth living through paranoia, insanity, hopeless suicidal depressions, and all kinds of other mental sicknesses. Scarcity creates boredom too.

I think this was part of the DS9 star trek. There was a rebellion over some industrial sized replicators given to a certain community and not the neighboring one.

My thoughts are that
1. You are high
2. Jailbreaking these machines would be relatively easy and completely disrupt the monopoly, probably for the better.
3. Price by element and mass would make a lot more sense than carbon cartridges. All easily available elements would be easy to find or produce counterfeit cartridges from.
4. Look up "post-scarcity society" and "end-game communism" for a better view of a utopian future.

Gold has a value because a political power decides that such thing has a value, like for example diamons, not really a weird element in our planet compared to Platinium or another elements with a very short Half life, but still considered "upper class" because an institution holds control over that specific product.

Dosent matter if your sitting in a freaking mine of gold if said gold dont have a value in your society.

BUT, if the monetary exchange wasant a paper or some sort of typical human exchange and was a material requiered to produce goods, then would be worth, like for example, exchanging rations or packages of matter requiered to make the printer work. Then your idea would work.

Also the concept of hording somthing its a mammel instict too

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Ugh, why go the fucking semantics route?

Doesn't matter if you measure value in gold, paper, or yarn. A trillionaire still has more value than hundreds of billions of people could possibly produce in their entire lifetimes.

So if matter was easily converted to other matter, then taking the trillionaires' matter would lead to the enrichment of several billion people. In some cases, hundreds of billions, which currently do not exist but probably could if the human species expanded to other planets.

And that's only the material wealth from one planet: earth. A single asteroid would probably have 20x the amount of material wealth of this planet. And there's an entire asteroid belt full of them in our own solar system.

Value is not as scarce as you think it is. It is just obscenely concentrated at the top. Very obscene. Quite disgusting, actually.

Not op but... The corporation would be the government. They control the police, military, education, etc. Since there is no need of educated people, aside from those that are part of the corporation, education would not include anything advanced enough to be a threat, unless the subject passed the aptitude tests, then they'd be shipped off to the a corporation facility to be indoctrinated. Your machines will be monitored. Attempts at jail-breaking them will result in disciplinary action. Maintain your status as a loyal subject of the corporation or you will be removed to a reeducation facility.

That's how I see OP's utopia world anyway

How would you reach inmortality with this machine?

It can replicate goods using other matters, certanly can replicate organs and blood requiered for your organic boddy, but the natural oxidation of the human brain would reach a point where, even replicating the necesary parts would not longer work because the damage its too extenced in your synapsis, the brain can become inmune to synaptic reaction like drug addicts become dull to the sensation of the drug.

You could transfer your concience to a machine and have a machine boddy? well then, thats a compleatly diferent discussion that also requiere the regulations of this inmortal entitys, but would not scape the fact that the biological YOU would be dead, and you gonna end experiencing dead.

Your fucked anyway on that aspect.

Yes, theres still rates of suicides and depression, and certanly a big number of them are caused by the crippling problems of society, but a therapy that all psicologists use or requiere in their patients are "keep them bussy", giving them somthing to do to distract their minds of this ideas and mind find joy on the labors again.

Lazy humans, go back to the mines.

The machine could replicate a new body for you. And you would be able to transfer the data from your current brain into the new younger one.

>Yes, theres still rates of suicides and depression, and certanly a big number of them are caused by the crippling problems of society, but a therapy that all psicologists use or requiere in their patients are "keep them bussy", giving them somthing to do to distract their minds of this ideas and mind find joy on the labors again.

LOL, I don't know who you've been talking to, but there's nothing joyful about being forced to work for someone much much richer than you to sustain your bare existence. Joy in labor is a barbaric idea. There are no happy slaves.

Now if you're talking about keeping busy with hobbies, scientific pursuits, and VOLUNTARY activities, then yes. I fully agree with you. Humans might need something to give them a sense of purpose, but what is essentially forced labor to keep your belly filled will never be that thing.

Imagine aliens arriving and offering us star trek-esque replicator technology, but they want to hold a vote on whether we want it or not.

One man, one vote - globally, no national boundaries recognised, mankind votes as one.

What happens?

Hopefully we wouldn't fuck it up. Of course, there are a lot of idiots who might be against it.

You sound like a teenager

>What happens?

Same thing that happens in elections. The rich in power tell them to give it only to the rich.

If the aliens were smart, they'd hand select a number of us that weren't complete retards to use the machine under their supervision or something.

Rich people would rig the votes.

Should you feel your existence to be unnecessary, the machine has the ability to painlessly deconstruct you. The matter from your body will be added to the available allotment of your housing block. The corporation thanks you for your service.

Ahh... Assume the voting is, I dunno, telepathic.

Anyway, unriggable and entirely alien supervised. The aliens are 100% honest.

Basically, how would mankind react to the virtual eradication if wealth and the imperative to work?

It really depends on what happens with the machine. If the aliens remain on earth to supervise it and protect it so the rich didn't seize control of it, it would be a golden age and humans would become a space-faring species almost immediately.

If the aliens kind of just dropped it here and didn't bother securing it, it would get snatched up by some powerful corporate or new world order group and become secret, then world war, probably extinction if not slavery of all the remaining population. Then the rich people who had hidden the machine would emerge from their bunkers and use it for themselves.

Or more likely just slavery.

Also, considering how shitty this species is, it might start a religious movement of people who want to convert to that alien species somehow, maybe with whatever body-swapping technology they had.

Aliens tell us about this technology. They read our thoughts about what we would do with it. They recoil in horror. They they tell us 'nah, ya'll motherfuckers are crazy' they sail off into the galaxy where we can never follow. Light years away, they are still haunted by those thoughts. Their society devolves as the thoughts spread through their civilizations. They all kill themselves and/or each other. There's no life out there because our thoughts are space aids.

Everybody who votes gets their own machine. :)

The point us rather being sidelined here.

Aliens appear and tell us that overnight we can choose never to want, never to work (unless we feel like it) and that literally everyone will have exactly the same wealth potential, we need only ask, they are entirely benevolent and altruistic.

I think the only people who wouldn't want it would be the ones with something to lose, such as super rich people with control at the moment.

Obviously, it would be a good idea to have infinite food for everyone.

But it might start wars as stupid people, obscenely wealthy people, and useful idiots became angry that they couldn't dominate others materialistically anymore.

If you gave that kind to technology to people, personally I would ask to be sent to another planet where a few of us with more reasonable minds could start over too, or risk being killed by the sudden onslaught of retards on this planet who were jealous they couldn't have more than everyone else.

Also, I'd probably ask for an alien body too. Wouldn't mind a new life altogether away from these apes.

>find a way to 3d print a human
>make a lot of humans
>put it in a theme park
>westworld

Or just train them to start the violent revolution.

Here's my utopia

The world goes to shit as population rises which will inevitably happen.
Billionaire philanthropists like Elon musk/Bill gates listen to scientists and agree that the world as a whole is beyond saving. They pool their resources and begin building an artificial island the foundations of which are on some Pacific atoll or something. They realise that with the impending collapse of society their assets and wealth will mean next to nothing, so the go all out on the construction of this island. They hire the best engineers, the greatest scientists, utilise the most advanced technologies and materials.

Once it is built they populate the island with invaluable personnel, more scientists and essential technicians, most importantly geneticists. Before the eventual collapse of wider society the geneticists sample as much of the human population as possible.

By this point in time genetics will have advanced to the point were almost any human phenotype can be manipulated with ease (CRISPr and stuff). So far in the past it would have only been used to treat things like cancer and congenital conditions, but stupid SJWs and Religious nuts complained about ethics and prevented it from being used to actually better the human race in any way.
Now however at humanity's most desperate hour their voices are silent.

Anyways Back on the island, unsanctioned pregnancies are forbidden. All embryos are created in-vitro, screened first for the removal of lethal/ disease causing genotypes and mutations, each will have its genome then be manipulated to ensure the human produced is the pinnacle of the species attainment. The average IQ would be at least 130. The average female height would be 6'5" and the average male 7'5". They wouldn't be lanky shits either, genetically programmed myostatin inhibition would ensure that they all exhibited the physique of top athletes.

Cont.

Nope, they would never do this. They would instead create 2 distinct species of human.

Slave class to work for them, specifically bred to suit their job.
Genetically superior class (them).

The newer generations of this utopia would be perfection compared to previous generations, there would be not tards, cripples or fatties to drain medical resources. The majority big killers such as heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's would disappear, crime would shrink to almost 0.
Evolution has all but stopped in our current society as we do all we can to keep defective individuals alive and thus the majority are able to pass on their defective DNA. In this new society such defective individuals would not exist past the 16 cell stage as an embryo.

From this foothold the new society would spread over the planet and displace the inferior old breed of humans simply by out competing them in every aspect.

Get into a conflict, all your soldiers are 8 foot superhumans with advanced intelligence and the best technologies on the planet.

Come across a new disease, quickly engineer genetic immunity for your populate and transfect them with the appropriate vector.

The new humanity would be unstoppable.

That's stupid. Socrates, Plato and Aristoteles never lifted a fucking finger their whole lifes and yet they produced one of most important things for the western society. We don't need work to be happy, we need work to stop thinking about the real issues.

This would happen only in 300 years or more. Human race could just nuke the shit of the planet meanwhile.

Why only 300 years, whats your reasoning on that?
I could see it happening in 100-150 years