>retards forget to bump the thread AGAIN wtf i didn't spend months trying to revive /classical/ just so you guys can kill it
John Mitchell
you fucked up by not putting /classical/ in the subject field, dumbass
Eli Hill
>manlet crossdresser neckbeard who is, lol, a crazy christian nationalist anti-semite
Being Wagner must have been pathetic.
Jayden Price
oh yeah, nvm im dumb
btw post your favorite Schoenberg guys
Charles Smith
I agree, being the greatest composer alive at the time must have sucked.
Kayden Foster
we're talking about wagner, not brahms
Isaiah Sullivan
Brahms is just a rehash. Wagner pushed music forward.
Hunter Collins
Any young hip soloists/conductors i should be on the look out for?
Oliver Campbell
>being the greatest composer alive at the time [citation needed]
Julian Wood
>opera >pushed music forward
heh
Christopher Rodriguez
They're called music dramas.
Lucas Powell
The only good operas are Italian operas.
Alexander Perry
lol
Jeremiah Stewart
>crazy christian nationalist anti-semite nothing wrong with that
Lincoln Reed
no they're called Gesamtkunstwerk
Aaron Ward
Untrue but understandable opinion
Cameron Anderson
favorite Wagner is probably the final act of Gotterdammerung.
no, no sonatas yet. i'm sure Staier will do a set eventually and i'm sure it'll be quite good, like just about everything he records.
he did do a very good diabelli variations, however.
there are some HIP Chopin recordings out there, but i haven't found any that i particularly liked. i listened to Olejniczak for instance, it's apart of that big 30CD set where it's all HIP. you can find it pippo9's blog.
i found it to be kinda boring. inoffensive, but not really interesting.
Ayden Rodriguez
Holy shit, this may be my favorite recording of all time
Connor Moore
Tony Duggan really likes that one
never heard it myself, pretty satisfied with my Martinon
Nicholas Collins
It's in the second mega link, in case you wanna listen. I mean Horenstein is the classic but this one not only beats it in sound quality but the performance is something to behold. I like how most conductors are really scared of this symphony - most go through the cycle before recording this one - and I can see why; they most usually get overpowered by the symphony.
I feel it takes a really physically powerful man not to fall off from the podium before the first movement ends. However, Bychkov seems to be the one with the strength to dominate such a mountain of a symphony, and with such grace.
Adrian Lee
sure, i'll give it a listen soon enough. i like Horenstein's too, but i never quite liked the recording quality at all. the founder of Unicorn records lost the mastertape forever ago, and the digital transfers of it were made from second hand sources. that isn't to mention that the recording venue was less than optimal, Fairfield Hall wasn't able to fit all the forces required, so they chopped off the front row and the orchestra spilled over into the left and behind. made for a very strange balance.
>I like how most conductors are really scared of this symphony while the 3rd is intimidating, from the Mahler conductors that i've heard from, there seems to be a consensus that the 6th and Das Lied are the hardest to conduct. especially the rhythm in Das Lied where you have 4-against-3-against-2, 6-against-5-against-4, or 9-against-six-against-2. Mahler himself said that he had no idea how to conduct it and wrote to Mengelberg saying so, heavily implying that he wanted the latter to conduct it instead.
Cameron Anderson
Brahms was cutting edge son. His cello sonata changed the game, just one example.
Eli Brown
that's a weird way to spell russian
Charles Turner
The third might not be the most intellectually challenging of the cycle, but it's probably the one that needs a mountain man to stand its tension.
>Mahler himself said that he had no idea how to conduct it and wrote to Mengelberg saying so, heavily implying that he wanted the latter to conduct it instead. Mahler had a bad beat if I remember correctly
Blake Hernandez
Wagner was about average height for the time, and antisemitism was normal for that time and region. Everyone hated jews all throughout time, its only after the holocaust that antisemitism become unfashionable. Wagner was neither crazy nor a crossdresser, and nationalism was common in all countries and people, certainly not out of place for the time.
Wagner was also a master composer, orchestrator and visionary opera designer, hugely influential, and in many peoples eyes the high point of tonal music, so high that the early 20th century composers decided tonal music was over after Wagner.
Levi Evans
Great album
Ethan Brown
>Post your favorite Wagner. {}
Ryan Bell
I don't think Wagner has a work called Open Curly Bracket Closed Curly Bracket
Brayden Peterson
SHUT THE FUCK UP
James Rivera
faggot
Ian Richardson
>create the bedrock for the art of film scoring >Make a cycle of operas which was essentially the star wars of its era, with musical motifs shared across the different stories to unify them >first major composer to establish that you can go dissonant and stay dissonant, paving the way for jazz, metal, and atonal music
Ethan Young
well film music, star wars and metal suck tbf
Austin Taylor
Well, Wagner made a decent living during the second half of his career, most of the populace seemed to like his operas, he seemed satisfied with his work, and he triggered Clara Schumann. Isn't that the most any composer can hope for?
Levi Cook
Literally none of what you've listed is good lmfoa Wagnerianfags on suicide watch smfh
Jack Carter
faggot
James Ramirez
please dont bully Prokofiev
Leo Wilson
I think Lt Kije is the only film whose score is more famous than the film itself
Jaxon Murphy
>no they're called Gesamtkunstwerk
Now, my German isn't great, but shouldn't that be Gesamtkunstwerke?
Höller shit!
John Carter
ok i'm back to classical, this time i want to get into romanticism, where should i start? rec composers, pieces and recordings pls
Josiah Ramirez
ok i'm back to classical, this time i want to get into romanticism, where should i start? rec composers, pieces and recordings pls
I NEED THE FULL EDITION OF THIS BRANDENBURG CONCERTOS RECORDING
I can't find one to top it anywhere else on the internet, and it is missing the second movement!
Brayden Diaz
It is missing the majority of it, the work is much longer than that. It's also a terrible shitty performance, if you want a similar style try Benjamin Britten's version, should be more easily found than that crap.
David Evans
>You're telling me this is high test? absolutely, such generosity , laconism, such clarity, it's the epitome of God the father. Or perhaps you believe naive bourgeois dreams about powerful figures have anything to do with the ultimate man? Those were the true aristocrats, men of power who understood heavenly virtue, unlike that sickly neurotic and his herd of followers. He was 'romantic' for a reason, for he sought something that wasn't, couldn't be a part of him anymore so he tried to imagine it, unfortunately his imagination consisted of bourgeois aspirations entirely.
Gustav Leonhardt playing the harpsichord solo from Brandenburg Concerto, No. 5 in the 1968 film Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach, where he played the part of JS Bach, both musically and dramatically.
Lucas Green
What a talented man.
Lucas Parker
romanticism sucks but if you insist, Schumann (Dichterliebe, Symphony no. 2); Anton Bruckener; Chopin; Scriabin (avoid other russian composers, not enough refined)
Julian Phillips
The ending of Rheingold is probably my favourite, from Doner --> the conclusion Yeah Rore is great. Thank you Venice.
Brandon Morris
Schubert's Winterreise and piano trios.
Jaxon Morales
What are some good "heavy sounding" composers?
Names I have from previous thread (don't know if legit or not): Bruckner, Stravinsky, Mahler, J.S Bach, Ives, Bartok, Cowell, Carter, Schoenberg quartets, Bartók, Ligeti, Rachmaninoff, Telemann, Liszt. youtube.com/watch?v=ueGb_CIt7DE youtube.com/watch?v=vLkg-duiFsE
I'm not the same guy, btw. Just curious.
Christian Johnson
>avoid other russian composers, not enough refined Mussorgsky single-handedly started proto-impressionism and foreshadowed modernism
Prokofiev dude. Try listening to all the ocrestral parts from the symphony for 3 oranges or whatever it's called. Real heavy stuff.
Matthew Morales
Have nothing to say: "ooga booga fagit".
Samuel Johnson
as a plural, yes
Luke Barnes
>romanticism sucks >posts Bruckner
Did you fall for CLT's memes?
Charles Parker
>tfw Leonhardt is dead
Elijah Stewart
Radical politics and eccentric behavior are hardly unusual in the classical music world.
Leo Morales
is there a more powerful composer than dvorak
Josiah Parker
Schumann's Carnaval, Chopin's Preludes and Etudes, and basically any lieder.
Matthew Smith
>Brahms is just a rehash. fuck up on and out of here user-KUN brahms is the greatest of all time you don't need to "push music forward" or whatever bullshit to be the best,
Cameron Myers
How's Nodame Cantabile's live version vs the anime version?
I don't appreciate the amount of anime I've seen in /classical/ as of late. I expect reform.
Jordan Torres
only because monteverdi, verdi, and puccini are outstanding
Robert Edwards
What are the differences betweens the adaptations and manga? IIRC, the adaptations don't include the childhood side-stories (Chiaki with Viera, Nodame being a shitty child).
Ryan Torres
Better voice acting
Kevin Nguyen
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Michael Brooks
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Elijah Flores
i like prokofiev
Julian Price
Did SDF kill himself?
Jonathan Smith
No, only monteverdi. Verdi and Puccini make me puke.
Jonathan Sanders
hopefully
Dylan Williams
Buxtehude, Schutz.
Austin Smith
yes, thank you
Christian Bailey
why do avant-teens jerk off over obscure Bach performances so much?
Camden Brown
Listened to this about 3 times, i dont see whats so hype about Bartok
Ryder Perez
Who are you favorite composers?
Chase Hill
ockeghem, morales, villa lobos, xenakis, schoenberg, messiaen, palestrina, liszt
ive only started getting serious into classical about a year and a half ago so i dunno if im still new
Michael Lee
because they have cool covers
Landon Green
Which Mahler symphony is the best
Samuel Sanders
>Asks generic question >Snoop Dogg how is your first time listening to classical?
Caleb Clark
Petzold
Ryder Gray
pic related was for the juice, i've already listened to his first and ninth
Levi Hall
Again, how's your first time listening to classical?
Evan Cruz
Im genius think music all the time like next beethoven level shit no formal training but my improvs tho real talent probs next liszt too n shit if i take lessons like should i join a conservatory or will that throttle my latent polyphony im in my mid 20s will train real hard neet word k
Samuel Jones
again, i've listened to Mahler and other classical Composers before so i would see that you resign from your fruitless attemp at belittlements
