>when people that can't define pacing, call pacing of a movie bad
I swear everyone's a fucking movie reviewer nowadays
>me: ok well what do you mean by pacing? >him: w-well i didn't like the action >me: right ok so what about the editing >him: oh man the editing was horrible, the shots were choppy it didn't look good >me: what's your favorite movie? >him: star wars >me: ok you do realize the guy that edited the star wars movie is the same guy that edited this movie, right? >him: man all these logical fallacies, i'm done arguing with you
Try to guess the movie we were talking about without looking it up on IMDB.
and are you this retarded that you pretend to have conversations with yourself where you're the winner?
Colton Morris
i literally just had this conversation on twitter with a person that's literally a film major.
John Peterson
also wrong not 10 cloverfield lane
Jose Fisher
Ghost Protocol
Evan Green
you got the editor right but not the movie
Grayson Cox
Why do you care? Most people are plebs.
Cameron Carter
Warcraft
Jonathan Miller
i got extremely rustled because he's a film major but he had no idea what he was talking about.
Easton Perez
you're criticizing some for having an opinion, their own personal taste, and trying to articulate it?
you hold professional 'critics' of art in high regard?
Sebastian Butler
>ok you do realize the guy that edited the star wars movie is the same guy that edited this movie, right? lmao is that really your argument
Carter Taylor
that's it mayne.
there are so many legitimate things to complain about that movie. like most of the actors weren't great, the dialogue was terrible for the most part... but the pacing and editing were the 2 things that movie did right.
Connor Nelson
>film major
That's meaningless. Undergraduate level film courses are a joke. Half of them prefer anime to film nowadays and 90% haven't seen anything made prior to 1994, let alone the classics of the medium.
Those are conservative estimates.
Henry Ramirez
>but the pacing and editing were the 2 things that movie did right.
Christian Brown
the fact that he's a film major and he has no idea what he's talking about is what pissed me off.
yes. that editor has an amazing track record. i can't tell him why the editing was great in 140 characters.
Jose Fisher
>>me: ok you do realize the guy that edited the star wars movie is the same guy that edited this movie, right? >>him: man all these logical fallacies, i'm done arguing with you
He's was right to stop arguing with you, frogposter. You don't make an argument by appealing to authority.
Luis Foster
We were arguing on twitter. I couldn't explain to him why the editing was great in 130 characters. But given the editor had a good track record it was a great place to start.
Jaxson Kelly
if he watched the film then he knows what he's talking about. you probably have communication problems and restrict yourself to your own personal dictionary of what words like pacing or editing should absolutely mean.
you're the one who made the logical fallacy in your only point of how the guy editing a movie this person did like and one they didn't meaning their opinion is terrible or, how i presume you would put it, 'wrong'.
Elijah Stewart
>We were arguing on twitter Well, there's your first problem
Lucas Carter
Is anyone surprised that the frogposter is a little cunt who comes crying to Sup Forums for validation when he has a negative interaction?
Jayden Watson
>can't define pacing
How could anyone not understand what pacing is? If you're bored during a movie then the pacing was bad. If you think it's something more than that then you're just jerking yourself off.
Caleb Sullivan
There's literally nothing wrong with frogposting.
Carson Wright
I can tell when pacing is bad, but I have no idea how to define it. It's a bit like shot balance in that regard.
And, like shot balance, I can tell bad pacing from good pacing, but I can't tell good pacing from great pacing. I hear a lot that the extended cut of Aliens is paced worse than the theatrical cut, but I literally can't discern this for myself, it feels just as brisk and suspenseful, only with additional character development and scenes of suspense and action.
Joseph Morales
Dude is a Fucking retard for liking star wars, why would you argue with a retard?
Grayson Gomez
pacing can be an issue and even a plen can notice it
But the worst is when someone says "What was the point of this movie? It was pointless!"
Gabriel Sanchez
My favorite is when someone says that the movie was confusing
Like, you just didn't get it
Hudson Butler
Oh really?
Cooper Lee
It's quickly dismissed every opinion he had about the movie because a 90 minute movie with 50 some minutes of full on expensive cgi blowing shit up/fighting action is unreasonable to be called 'bad pacing'
there balance between story development and action was just right.
Andrew Lewis
Yes really, you can't fault frogposting for the derivative frogposting that came after it. Using that logic the Beatles were terrible because more terrible bands were inspired by them than anyone else in music history.
Kevin Bennett
I didn't like the pacing of that movie, though I was impressed overall. It seemed like they were jamming content that could fit into a television season into the space of a movie.
Gabriel Lee
words have meanings, user. only your own fault if you dont know what "pacing" means
Camden Flores
>you can't fault rage comics for being 9gags favorite meme, they're still Sup Forums....r-right guys?
>But the worst is when someone says "What was the point of this movie? It was pointless!"
Are you seriously suggesting it's never a problem for a movie to have no point? Like if I put together 90 minutes of random glass breaking noises with japanese geisha swimming in a mcdonalds ball pit you're going to say it's bad when someone asks "what was the point?" Fuck you David Lynch.
Jayden Ramirez
You give up, frogposting didn't go away last year, didn't go away the year before that, didn't go away the year before that, etc. You're the one who needs to get used to it.
Nathaniel Murphy
>dude this completely ridiculous thing means you're wrong!
naw fuck off
Christian Richardson
It's a stupid criticism that people can't really respond to. It's also a thousand times more likely that you missed the point rather than that there wasn't one, since a lot of money and time and effort was invested into the thing you're claiming is pointless.
Carter Russell
The actual lore has 20 some books, 3 games that expand on the story a lot and 7 more games that let you play in said stories while also developing a lot of side stories to everything and expanding on some character's storylines.
What we got from the first movie was like half a book and even taht was hard to fit in. But i see what you're saying too much action and it was not enough story for people who are not familiar with the series to understand. And that's a very fair argument.
Now the person I was arguing with has read some of the books and knew what was going on in the movie and that's what got me a little confused.
Daniel Hughes
LiteralIy reddit
Luke Garcia
t. angry baby
Landon Martin
Warcraft had bad pacing because it tried to rush through the first war at a breakneck pace, but half the scenes were "people talking about something we already know."
Colton Wilson
You're the only one from reddit seeing as how every one of your posts includes posts from there.
Xavier Butler
Was shitposting part of your plan?
Jeremiah Baker
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Julian Hernandez
>ok well what do you mean by pacing? If someone would ask me this, I would probably assume I was talking to a pleb who doesnt know the basic terminology of filmmaking. So dumping it down to "bad action, bad editing" makes sense
Lucas Adams
Sure you did user
Leo Hall
simply saying >there was not enough action or >there was too much action
would've been enough.
Kayden Clark
it can have bad pacing with the right amount of action
Luke Williams
to my understanding pacing means a fine balance between story development and action.
what does it mean to you?
Michael Lewis
>>me: ok well what do you mean by pacing? I mean the rate at which things relevant to the plot happened. There were periods that were extremely boring due to the plot not advancing and other periods where things happened way too quickly and I had no time to digest the events. It was inconsistent and at times jarring.
Austin Long
Not exactly though.
A movie that rushes through scenes that are just people talking would have bad pacing.
Whereas a movie that spends too much time on protracted "action" sequences would also be an example of bad pacing.
Evan Sullivan
>I didn't like it! The main character was an asshole! He should have been a good guy
Nicholas Barnes
>between story development and action what? I know there can be action scenes that are irrelevant to the plot, but those 2 things shouldnt contrast each other
Henry Garcia
You articulate your points as if you are someone who doesn't come here. I'm not saying >>>reddit but why try to swing people to your side on something that you hold as a viewpoint rather than straight facts?
Jeremiah Martinez
well, if the movie clearly wants you to think of the mc as a likeable character and you find yourself just cringing all the time, then the filmmakers failed
Michael Anderson
MOMMY BABBY HUNGRY MOMMY PLS BABY NEED MILK!!!
Benjamin Hughes
I believe they should. There can be a lot of senseless action that don't contribute to the plot and there can be too much story that makes the movie boring.
A few examples would be GoT. I don't need to know how The Mad King became King, I kinda just need to know why he was named that and why he was killed. I don't need to know his entire history.
Now You See Me 2, that is basically just setting up the plot for the third movie where the father that died isn't really dead but he's the greatest magician of all time. And it leaves the movie with 30+ minutes of plot that's not gonna mean anything to you while watching this movie. It leaves you thinking >ok but why did I just spend 30 minutes watching this if it literally means nothing and there's no conclusion.
There can be a a lot of bad story development. too much story with a weak conclusion.
Like for example if Arya in GoT just died in Braavos after they dedicated 2-3 hours of screentime to her in the last 2 seasons. It would've been a shit storyline with a shit ending. People would've just called it filler.
Cooper Watson
I'm looking for people to challenge my viewpoints. I have conceded a few arguments I've made in this thread alone and I realized what I did wrong. This thread has been pretty good for me.
Hunter Walker
Warcraft tried to do too much too quickly. It didn't give you time to give a shit about the characters. I wasn't rooting for anyone and I didn't give a shit about what was happening. That's why the pacing was bad. If you compare it to Lord of the Rings, where every character is likable and given proper introductions and takes it's time setting up events and deaths are actually meaningful you'll see why Warcraft was terrible. When you compare Lord of the Rings to Warcraft you'll see why pacing is so important. It's not our fault that your friend is stupid and doesn't understand his own opinion.
Juan Cook
You sound insufferable as fuck.
Luke Cooper
>If you're bored during a movie then the pacing was bad.
Not a good barometer of pacing imo. There are lots of reasons a person might be bored during a film that aren't attributed to pacing. I can't recall how many people I've spoken to that have referred to genuinely compelling moments of character development as "slow bits".
Ryan Fisher
You say pacing is bad when you got bored but you don't want to out yourself as a pleb
Angel Baker
That is a very good point.
I guess the director never knew if they were gonna have a sequel so he wanted to do as much as he could in one movie. But yeah I didn't give a shit about Llane dying and Anduin's son.
But I feel like Durotan got a fairly decent introduction and development. I knew what that character wanted and what he strived for, and it made you give a shit about him dying.