Aside from raping Stamsa and cutting off Reek's dick (who deserved it for killing those two children tbqh)...

Aside from raping Stamsa and cutting off Reek's dick (who deserved it for killing those two children tbqh), was Ramsey actually that bad? I mean sure he was sadistic, but for the average Northerner peasant, why should they care whether the Starks or the Boltons rule Winterfell?

He killed his father, who was a better man and better ruler. That is all that matters.

Technically he didn't rape Sansa. Her marriage to him was consensual and it was their duty to consummate the marriage.

>turned Theon into damaged goods so that his father wouldn't negotiate
>managed to lose Salsa after she was served to them on a silver platter
>went around flaying undiscreetly so people thought less of the Boltons
>committed kinslaying
>had the numbers, a keep, the last living male Stark south of the Wall and rations to last them but still managed to lose the war to a fucking zombie and his hoard of goatfuckers
He was a constant disappointment for his namesake.

Ramses was mentally ill and liked killing people, not for glory or the greater good, but because he liked the ain he inflicted in others. So yes, Ramses deserved to die

Sansa deserved to be raped

He was one of the most interesting characters,his scenes were some of the most entertaining and memorable. I don't think his hounds would have turned on him,ever.

In the show:
>imprisoned lady Hornwood and left her to starve to death in a tower
>tortured numerous innocents to death
>guilty of kinslaying (murdered his father and infant half brother)
He's unambiguously evil.

You can't rape you're wife, she was his property.

he also hunted humans for sport

This. It was their wedding night so you knew sex was gonna happen. She never said no, and just because it's rough sex doesn't mean she didn't enjoy it. I honestly think it's debatable whether you can even rape your wife honestly.

>2 retarded teenagers become leaders of armies and fuck everything up
>CIA rides in and wrecks shit

>people actually justifying rape

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It still is technically rape, what you're arguing is that the rape is justified by the context and rules of their society (which may be true)

If it weren't D&D I'd think it was a deliberate portrayal of inexperienced and ignorant boy-commanders botching a battle and being cleaned up by somebody competent.

but you can find his behavior cruel nonetheless

even characters in the universe that live by such morals would find him cruel

A marriage doesn't count until it is consummated,and she didn't say no,sooo......

not rape senpai

nonconsensual sex is rape even if the marriage itself is consensual

go back to your containment topic, cancerous faggot.

>tortures people "just for fun" like a complete edgelord
>toys around with people and plays edgy games with them
>starves his dogs constantly and treats them like shit so they'll be viscous at all times
>treated sansa, his wife, like complete shit
>killed his dad who was a far better person and ruler than him, although roose was also a psychopath, he was less sadistic and more refrained about it
>acts like a tough guy when in reality he's just a little bitch
>pussies out of honorable combat and runs away from a battle after hiding at the back the whole time
>we'll never see osha's great tits again because of him
Yeah he was that bad and deserved to die.

Stop this rape meme

He never raped her

>mfw the only interesting themes D&D can write are purely accidental

>acts like a tough guy when in reality he's just a little bitch
Why?

Yeah exactly. By today's standards he raped stansa, but the show and books take place during medieval times, in which back then, fucking your wife isn't really rape, even if she doesn't want it at the time.

The thing is that although it's not wrong to fuck your wife back then in those more barbaric times, it's still morally wrong and frowned upon to do it against their will. Tyrion never fucked stansa because he knew she didn't want to and he's above that morally and intellectually.

Ramsay had that battle completely in the bag, though. He was slaughtering Jon until LF rode in, and he was a completely unexpected factor, basically an in-universe Deus ex Machina.

>pussies out of honorable combat and runs away from a battle after hiding at the back the whole time

>>acts like a tough guy when in reality he's just a little bitch

kek, the greatest crime of all

Don't forget he killed his brother and step mother

He had that specific battle in the bag but he took a huge amount of unnecessary casualties for the sake of being an edgy, just what an ignorant boy-commander would do.

It wasn't like he was just plowing her gently to get his rocks off and then stopped, he was torturing her

he probably burned her with wax, fucked her ass dry, squeezed her clit with tweezers, hell he maybe even let his hounds have a go at her.

>>we'll never see osha's great tits again because of him

this is what really stuck in my craw tbqhwymf

>probably

they never showed him doing anything to her remotely torturous.

>feminist power fantasy show constantly throws scenes at audience reminds us that a sadistic raper raped the damaged goods character
>UNDER MY PET DEFINITION IT WASN'T RAPE

Autistic or just a board full of pedophiles being in denial about sex crimes again?

Please she has undoubtedly been knotted

She was covered in bruises when she was begging Theon to save her and she said to LF "I can still feel what he did to me"

it's not like when Robert would just drunkenly plow Cersei a few times and then roll over and go to sleep, Ramsay is a fucking sadist

>She was covered in bruises
It's called bdsm

What do you get out of this discourse?

>Ramsay had that battle completely in the bag, though
Let us count the mistakes he made.

1. Despite knowing well in advance where the battle will be fought he doesn't bother sending out scouting parties to protect against surprise attacks from hidden troops, which might have been prudent considering he knows Jon has wildling raiders in his army and such tactics would be more their style than standing in formation. Of course there was never any danger of such tactics from Jon because he's a total retard, but if Ramsay had bothered to send out scouts he might have noticed SEVERAL THOUSAND VALEMEN RIDING IN HIS DIRECTION.
2. Despite having a highly fortified position (Winterfell) he chose to engage in the field despite this offering him no tactical advantage whatsoever. But at least he still had more cavalry, giving him superior maneuverability and flanking advantage. Only...
3. He squandered any advantages his superior cavalry numbers might have given him by ordering a charge directly into the enemy cavalry, resulting in a bloody melee.
4. He then has his archers continue to fire on his own troops, resulting in the total eradication of his cavalry.
5. Despite all these blunders he still manages to come out ahead thanks to Jon being even more of a fuckup, but then he goes and commits his reserve infantry to a costly and pointless pincer attack that gains him no tactical advantage and leaves him utterly exposed.

Jon's mistakes would exceed the 1500 character limit.

Yes but I'm pretty sure anal fisting is still a no-no, even within marriage.

Jon is a fucking idiot. He got himself killed before, almost got himself killed again fighting Ramsey, and will most certainly get himself killed in the near future doing some other idiotic shit, like he always does.

He takes random small folk into the woods for his "hunts", most often, they're women.

Under the Starks everyone up North was treated pretty well. Neither Ned nor his parents fucked with anyone without good reason.

name?

I wonder this.
Obviously irl in first World country's what he did was rape. but in Westeros is it?

To be completely fair to Jon, his only leadership experience is with the Night Watch and some savages with very little knowledge of tactics. The largest number of people he ever commanded was a few hundred, and never against a genuinely organized force.

I mean, one of his top advisors was Tormund, a man that literally prides himself on fucking wild animals. His sister has no military experience whatsoever. The only person in Jon's corner worth a shit was a man that used to shill onions to starving people and only a year or two ago literally could not read.

Ramsay had the Umbers and all manner of people that could've advised him, he was just too much of a dipshit to properly utilize them.

For the average Northern peasant, Ramsay is an absolute madman that goes around hunting random people with his dogs as a form of entertainment. He burned Winterfell and the surrounding settlements and blamed the Ironbabies for it.

His father was "evil, but good for the people". Ramsay was a psycho.

The sex on their wedding night was consensual

Was it? It happened offscreen and the implication seems to be that it wasn't.

Reminder the battle of winterfell should have been roose vs jon snow. this le 20 good men meme man is a bland character. with roose vs jon it would be a cool battle with clever tactics and actual character development

In the books it's hinted at the he had his dogs rape Theon numerous times

It would have been hopelessly one-sided. If GRRM were writing it. But since it's D&D Roose would lose all trace of his established cautious and conservative nature and would do basically the same thing Ramsay did minus the edgy killing Rickon shit.

andi pink

>when the guy is hot it isnt rape
>when the guy is average or bad looking its rape

implication seems that is was.

The only implication that it wasn't was mr cockless crying like a bitch. It the scene had went on longer i bet sansa would have been moaning like a slut

It was heavily, heavily implied after his favorite girl died that she had been raped by dogs, and that he was turned on by it.

I would put the likelihood of Sansa being knotted by Ramsay's command at about 90%, and the likelihood of her being knotted by Jon Snow's command at about 85%.

That was very unrealistic. Dogs are extremely loyal and wouldn't attack their master

This.

You're all retarded. No shit in our modern world that would be classified as rape. But in that world it's not whether you like it or not.

You're wrong actually, it is rape. it's justified rape in the context of the show universe but still rape nonetheless.

Ramsay with his edgy headgames got Jon to attack prematurely before they could set up their trenches and wait for Ramsay to come to them

Ramsay with his edginess also wasted a lot of his own guys' lives

In the end its probably about a net even result, if not slightly better for Ramsay because we know he thoroughly defeated Jon's army with his method. If he was just a normal leader Jon would have taken it slowly and had a much better setup and tactics to take out more of Ramsay's men himself, and possibly could have won alone, who knows.

At least Ramsay got to entertain himself before he was going to get BTFO either way

>evil samwise

The numbers are totally fucked so it's hard to be certain either way but I was under the impression that Ramsey's wall of dead bodies gambit got an unnecessarily large number of his men killed and that he would have had a much cleaner victory with more conventional tactics and possibly been able to defend himself against the late reinforcements.

That's what I just said you idiot.

This.

That episode had some amazing cinematography during a portion of Jon's battle: the long takes had great CGI and background effects while Jon kicked ass and it looked nice. The drowning in his own men and his enemies' bodies was well done.

But MY GOD was this also another nail in the coffin for D&D's writing skills. NOBODY IN THE NORTH REMEMBERS. IT'S A DEAD MEME. Everyone except for a handful of Mormonts and Free Folk are willing to fight for the North, the rest are being the knee to an obvious psychopath who is willing to kill his allies just to make a wall of bodies.

Best episode of the season no doubt, but that's also like coming in first in the Special Olympics. I hope this kind of shit makes George mad enough to write.

>people actually justifying rape

Nope. They were married, so it cant be rape.

No it isn't you goober

Wait so were the wildings protecting Jon?

Also why did Ramsey even bother trying to kill Jon once the keep had fallen.
>Hear his reputation as one of the greatest swordsmen ever
>See that the gods (plot) has made him pretty much immune to arrows
>See him slaughter your men
>See that his people love him and would have killed and tortured your shit even had you killed him
>Decides to shoot arrows instead of going at it with his daggers or RUNNING

I mean, up to a point. just like his human subjects, he conditioned them using fear. if the dogs are hungry enough and notice that the master can't hurt them at all, their animal nature will take over.
remember that they are trained to hunt humans, so they know humans are delicious.

/r/ing the luckiest man in westeros image

*tips*

Apparently you can't read you dingus.

Yes it was. Its not rape, when youre married.

Doing the edgy Rickon bait, and then fighting conventionally might have gotten him a win or at least a better chance against the Vale army, but that's not how Ramsay does things.

You live by the edge, you die by the edge

I guess you can't either, how coincidental that the random typing of illiterates is creating a conversation.

go on, what else might he have done to her?

marriage is irrelevant to the definition of rape

That nigger did nothing to earn his name and he was a constant bitch. I get that it's "smart", but he didn't even lead his men to battle and the second he realized he might have been fucked. He noped right out of there and at the last second challenged Jon to a 1-on-1. He got what he deserved. All of that ignoring the fact that he totally fucked his family over by killing everyone.

It isnt rape, not irl or in their world.

how so

Wrong again.

They were married.

is this a fresh new meme

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You said it's rape, I said it's rape.

You said it's justified rape within context of the show, I said it's not rape within context of the show.

If it's justified, then it's not rape.

What is Sansa going to name her and Ramsay's rape baby, and why is it going to be Rob?

>If it's justified, then it's not rape.
well there's your problem

It's not rape in the show if they're married. She can't go out, report it and get Ramsay arrested. She's under his authority.

I'll repeat, it IS rape, but not in their world.

Ignore him, he's obviously baiting.

Who tf are you?

Ramsay is not a fucking dog whisperer, his bloodhound training was "EAT THAT CORPSE" and "TAKE DOWN THAT MOVING TARGET"

Also they were starved very often and Ramsay got placed in a bloodied and weak state in a cell full of hungry dogs. Ultimately the dogs will want to live and to live they have to eat

First post best post
>tfw no more Roose
>tfw no more Tywin
>tfw no more Ned
Everyone is just secondary now ;_;

>I mean sure he was sadistic
Nigga please, Marquis de Sade would've blushed.
He was a great villain though.

In today's feminist dominated society maybe

No he won't because this show is pure feminist and showfag pandering.

They can't handle jon-fu to die, it was so rough last time, I mean, didn't you see all the youtube reaction videos? :((((

Not really. This is actually a common occurrence for people with pets who live alone and die.

He was the joker of GoT

nah, they'd eat his face in a heartbeat if he died, but they wouldn't kill him.

If they were hungry enough to kill one of their pack members they'd kill one of the weaker dogs not the pack leader

>namesake
>Ramsay Snow, Roose Bolton

they don't even share surnames lmao

in the books at least, he used to capture peasant women and let them run away and then hunt them down with dogs and name those dogs after girls he'd raped and flayed

He's not a nice chap and there's a reason everybody living near the Dreadfort (lol nice name Boltons, seriously?) is scared shitless and it's only partly because Roose was a creepy fuck and their house has a long history of flaying people and generally being comic book villains (but Robb can totally trust them cause they're his bannermen :))

Fuck... what could have been

Fucker was so hilariously incompetent at everything that wasn't torture

He shouldn't have lasted a fifth as long as he did, but I suppose the twenty good men situation increased his lifespan a little