FUCK YOU Sup Forums THIS EPISODE WAS A MASTERPIECE

If you just hate it because of the sake of being a contrarian faggot please do the world a favor and kill yourself right now. I'll wait.

lol

Back to your containment thread sperg. What made you think your compulsive spouting about a shitty show deserved its own thread?

agreed

>battle "modelled after cannae"
>nothing like cannae at all
>strange hoplite farmers with 8 foot tall shields with unbreakable morale and ability to push back entire army with just 2 ranks

It really wasn't, the best episode for me was Sam's homecoming ep.

Best season will always be the first one, nothing is topping that.

GoT has become all about the EPICNESS and OMGSHOCKVALUE, at this point I have become desensitized from it.

Remind me again, which part of this very expensive episode was surprising or unpredictable?

>sjw calling someone else a faggot
kek

It was a pretty good episode but still just not as good as it could have been. We didn't need 5 minutes of Jon Snow nearly being trampled to death for a start.

KYS
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still waiting for an apology Sup Forums

WHY

you try telling a giant what to wear in battle

Arguably the best medieval war scene shot for film/tv.

This episode just shocked the world. Of course some faggots will act like they hated it.

Same here. I dont feel anything any longer either. It's a bit of shame too, since GRRM was one of these writers who wanted to marginalize himself from the done-to-death epic good vs evil battles of regular fantasy. Now it's back into the fold for the series, and it's not even done right

le magic teleporting vale army saves the day, so epic!!! XDD

jon-sama so skilled, he avoid all arrow, what a hero!

11/10 best episode ever, cant wait for all of it to be released on bluray ^^

You think he'd really need that much convincing ? "Hey win win, don't wanna die? Try this stuff I went to the effort of making just for you"

I think Hed fucking take it unless he's retarded as you

Seriously how the fuckdid Ramsey not know the vale forces passed through Mote Cailin? Does it have any actual strategic value in the show? I do remember a point where Breienne said ''fuck it we'll go around it'' if you could do that people wouldn't be fucking killing each other for it all the time FFS

>pyramid freed slaves city under siege
>dragon slut shows up JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME TO SAVE THE DAY

>over 9000 arrows flying at the battle field
>not a single one hits JON SNOOZE

>about to lose the battle and all die
>DONT WORRY SALSA IS HERE WITH LITTLE NIGGERS ARMY
>JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME!!!!!!

>ramram dies to his own dogs, who he didnt feed for SEVEN DAYS GUYS

sorry but it was cliche and contrived as fuck, you probably enjoy every capeshit that comes out too.

Win win ? lel I'm guessing you're a mobile fag with auto correct? Although you are kinda right

when did the show and the characters became so terrible black and white?

Ramsay actually went to the trouble of getting Moat Cailin back from the ironborn in season 4. It was so pivotal, Roose legitimized him as a reward.

But deciding to completely ignore it afterwards helps the plot progress.

He was pretty loyal and obedient to Jon.

He should have been given two massive shields fashioned from the side of a house. He could have held those together like blocking arrows and shielding men behind him and charging through the crowd using them as a cowcatcher. The soldiers shielded behind him could then slash and pick off those that tried to flank him.

As a weapon of warfare he was vastly under utilised.

How is puberty otherwise working out for ya?

Haven't seen it, does Bear loli Lyanna do anything other than scowl at Ramsay?

>This episode just shocked the world. Of course some faggots will act like they hated it.
>shocked the world
>shocked

Because the outcome was so incredibly unpredictable.

No

And that's fine, anything else would have been more unrealistic BS. She is just physically there to represent her house.

So he should have held the door?

Lmao pretty sure I saw this very same giant using a huge bow that shot human-sized arrows some seasons back.
Now apparently prefers to go full hardmode.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

Agreed. I fucking loved the episode.
Fucking edgelords always try to find something bad to feel smart.

The battle was retarded and made no sense and the whole episode was feminist muh strong womyn garbage

kill yourself

>urmuhgawd, actions lol, muh dicks is so hard

No, fuck off. When you just choose scenes that doesn't make a good episode, it makes a demo reel .

I like the transformers transforming bits, but the movies are shit.

after you

It was a pretty good episode desu. There was actually some good cinematography for once on the show along with some actual directing. BUT there's still too much shit in this show that doesn't make any sense.

Like Ramsay being able to hit Rickon from 100 yards out, and why wouldn't Rickon just zigzag?

Why did Ramsay shoot an already dying Wun Wun instead of Jon once they breached Winterfell?

Why didn't Sansa ever mention the Vale coming to help? What if the Vale showed up right after the battle and Sansa and everyone else was already dead?

Why didn't they make some rudimentary wooden armor for WunWun? If they were that outnumbered, this simple thing alone could have won it for them without the Vale. Surely just with wooden armor and some sort of weapon of his own (like a giant lance, or mace) Wun Wun would have been unstoppable and could have broken that phalanx with ease.

why is barely anyone using shields in got?

UK TV Series Battle
>actually shows the full events of the battle in clear shot
>good performances by established actors
>concise planning and thoughts shown by the generals on their next plan of attack and their smart tactics in defeating one of the best generals in existence (fiction and non fiction)
>immerses you in the scene
>characters dont act retarded
>cgi minimal use

US TV Series Battle
>zoomed in shots so you cant tell what the fucks happening
>DUDE GIMMICK SHOT LMAO
>DUDE GRITTY LMAO
>hand me down british actors who give laughable performances
>retarded tactics in battle
>cgi everywhere
>magic teleportation armies appear that would make Tolkien think is utter bollocks

>"Try this stuff I went to the effort of making just for you"

You're trying to talk to a giant like he cares about humans social faux pas guiltting him it like that would work

>Like Ramsay being able to hit Rickon from 100 yards out
He was an expert archer and it was a longbow. Not too ridiculous.
>why wouldn't Rickon just zigzag?
Because he was a panicked teenager and this shit happens all the time. People make dumb decision. Also Jon was riding straight at him and Rickon just wanted to get to Jon. Blame Jon if you're gonna go this route.
>Why did Ramsay shoot an already dying Wun Wun instead of Jon once they breached Winterfell?
He expected to be able to put an arrow in Jon afterwards, he just wanted to also troll him one last time.
>Why didn't Sansa ever mention the Vale coming to help? What if the Vale showed up right after the battle and Sansa and everyone else was already dead?
Because she's playing the fucking Game of Thrones.
>Why didn't they make some rudimentary wooden armor for WunWun?
True that, desu. The writing killed Wun Wun in this episode. Cost issues, I guess?

Game of Thrones has completely sold out. They put all the budget and effort into the one big battle episode per season and Reddit along with all the other normies predictably sperg out at the budget and cinematography and are perfectly willing to overlook an entire season of shitty writing cause of MUH EBIN BATTLE

This is the second season in a row now. Can't wait for the ebin Kelly C and her stronk womyn brigade invade Kings Landing episode next season, followed by Kelly C and Jon Sue team up and fight the zombies episode in the final season.

Did they get the guy who did the Castle Black fight to direct. The fight was literally shitloads of quick cuts, one 2 minute scene with 90% cgi horsemen and 10% infantry who get one shot by Jon, no counterplay, no actual fighting, then quick cuts of grey black blob army vs grey black blob army with pointy hats. Not even touching the logic / tactical flaws throughout the episode, but i see everyone saying "The direction was soooo good" when even by Game of Thrones standards it was sub-par. Blackwater, Hardholme, Castle Black / Wall, all of these huge fights were better choreographed, better thought out, better looking and better from a story perspective.

It was a fine episode but i'm convinced all these mouthbreathers spewing 10/10 BEST DIRECTION IVE EVER SEEN are literal 12 year olds (or those the mental age of same) who can't even remember better combat 2 seasons ago and are heaping praise on it because they like the Starks / hate Ramsay.

I don't get it senpaitachi, why are normies incapable of just saying "Yeah it was pretty good." Why does everything have to be SO EPIC HELLA BRO BEST EVA to them.

Because a TV production has never pulled something like this off

US TV Series Battle
>constant cuts to excuse for shitty choreography
>possibly one long take so normies can talk about how great the cinematography was

>an army finally uses shields
>their enemies are helpless, cant do anything
>only CIA can turn it around

>possibly one long take
in front of a green screen

He would do it if Jon told him too. People seem to underestimate that Jon is pretty much God to his army.

Fuck from an in-universe perspective their probably already writing songs about how not even a thousand arrows from the Bolton army could touch Jon on the field, and the story is probably that he caught the arrows in the keep with his bare hands.

I enjoyed the battle up until the part with the mound of dead bodies (which completely ruined immersion).

It was good seeing Ramsey die as he had become a boring character and a caricature.

It was good seeing some dragons fuck shit up.


Sorry, but this was a fireworks show. It was mostly spectacle. Hardly any plot was covered, not much was explained. I doubt much will in the last episode either.

If there is any proof Sup Forums is infested with Redditors it is people thinking BoTB was the best GoT has produced. Easily Blackwater, Castle Black and Hardhome had far better action and cinematography but everyone seems to forget it because karma or some shit. It was an okay episode, but not the best it could have been at.

the battle in season 2 was better tbqh

you're trying to talk about giants as if you ever met one

>I enjoyed the battle up until the part with the mound of dead bodies

but-but showing a pile of dead bodies is bold and audacious! we're bold and audacious guys especially me love dan

NONE OF THEM HAD HELMETS!

It was really REALLY not a masterpiece.

It was good. Solid 7/10. Best or second best of the season I'd say. Certainly a high point in the last two seasons.

But a few things that stood out to me anyways:
>Pros:
Generally good direction. Favorite shot was Davos silhouetted against the sunrise. The shaky cam claustrophobia stuff isn't super original but its still effective. Seeing Ramsay get BTFO.
- Music / effects I guess?

>Cons
- Pretty much all the writing. Jon going to save Rickon is reasonable enough, but I think its going to far in terms of motivation to say that he would suicide his entire army. He DESERVES to die. There's absolutely no way he would last any amount of time.
- The cavalry charge is somehow evenly matched despite them being very disproportionate.
- Wun Wun has nothing to fight with at all and dies stupidly.
- The WARDEN OF THE NORTH has absolutely no way of seeing possibly the largest standing army of Westeros make its way across hundreds (or more) miles to attack.
- Sansa being utterly retarded again in a way that is simply frustrating. Characters can be unlikeable in a story, but jfc GoT used to have grey area. Sansa saying "listen to me" and then "lol idk anything XD" is fucking stupid.
- That Sansa would be the one to kill Ramsay by herself rather than have any amount of consultation just so that they could have "le epic ending XD". If this were earlier in the show I think that they would have done the reasonable thing and have used Ramsay as an example whether by keeping him alive or by publicly executing him.
- The continuity error where Sansa knows how hungry the hounds are.
- Emilia Clarke's """"acting"""" and again being given everything she wants without much effor.
- Why the fuck would the slavers have no way of even fighting dragons when they knew 100% that she had them?
- Why the fuck were the Harpies outside conveniently for "save the day" shot via dothraki?
- Couple more, but I'm done here now.

What show is that pic from?

Remember when the battle episodes had great writing and character moments in addition to great cinematography and action scenes?

>If there is any proof

(which there isn't, not that adult assclowns like you ever treat that as an obstacle to constantly pissing and whining about reddit like ten-year-olds in a fucking treefort gang)

war & peace

>Why the fuck were the Harpies outside conveniently for "save the day" shot via dothraki?

if you can ask this question I think it's safe to assume you already knew the answer. besides, now ramsay's dead daenerys is the "creator's pet" of those fucktards benioff and weiss, who can't seem to do without one

Nvm, I just realised i've watched war and peace.

That's basically the thing right?

I find old GoT to be high tier TV, and the newer episodes are about a 40-50% hit and miss for me.

But there are obviously limitations in budget and writing. What they manage to do with what they have is usually pretty decent, but to act like its """ART""" is retarded. The battle direction was well done but nearly EVERYTHING around it was BAD.

I'm just not invested in the battle of what's supposed to be a realistic show when all the motivation/explanations are fucked.

This is how you spot an underage

>yfw jon is such a manlet he gets trampled by his own army, just like what happened to the literal midget dwarf

DAE remember when the Wildlings attacked the wall, one of the giants had a massive bow that could clear the wall. That bow could've fucked Ramsey from afar. Hell, giant could've yanked a tree and used it to smash the shieldwall. I was furious with how inept that giant was in the episode, literally arrow fodder.

>realistic show
>giants
>ice zombies
>dragons
>magic

the one that was killed by 3 guys? giants were just as powerful back then...

Go bacķ to reddit

>this overpowered bows
>this heavy shields like doors
>this corpse hill
>this uber athletic shieldmans
>this LOTR cavalery charge
Unrealistik fantasy shit.

You can have far out shit but still have an internally consistent and realistic world.

i dont understand got

is it for fantasy babbies
is it for porn babbies

i think its for hype babbies who will watch anything thats popular cause they dont wanna fall out of the conversation

like teleporting armies?

I'd assume that's one of his complaints in going from 'realistic' to not so realistic.

really? because otherwise there were lots of dragons in the middle ages. but i suppose it woulda been more interesting watching a realistic, but boring as fuck battle.

How do you go from that to this?

I'll repeat it: From a standpoint of narrative and cinematography, it was a great episode. When it comes to sensible military action it was terrible from both sides. While there are historical accounts of bodies piling up, it seems unlikely that they would chose to fight around them.

I'm disappointed that we didn't really get to see the freefolk fight against the northerners. Instead they were just surrounded and stabbed to death. I wanted to see a brawl.

>From a standpoint of narrative and cinematography, it was a great episode
cannot wait for you to clear this up

>cinematography

How? The battle was literally quick cuts: the battle.

That '2 minute unbroken shot' is mostly CGI horses and jon just berzerking through everyone. How is the cinematography good? The mirror shot of him rising out of the corpse pile like dany being carried by slaves? I hear this shit posted every thread and no one ever explains what they like about it, just that it's 'amazing' direction / cinematography.

I was thinking pretty much that.
Why didn't he take a tree from a near by forest and start swinging that shit

The cavalry charges weren't unrealistic, at least not in their choice (though maybe in how they clashed).

Davos pulled a desperate but certainly necessary move by sending out the cavalry early to protect Jon. They way they just rammed into each other, dying upon anothers lances was kinda horrible though. Though not sensible, could happen that way.

There was nothing wrong with the Vale army charge though.

how did those giant piles of bodies appear all stacked up?
where did CIA spring from?
how did the giant break down that door so easily?

it started out nice, the cavalry clash was neat although the stupidity leading up to it on jon's part was terrible and too illogical to suspend disbelief. in the beginning the fighting was visceral and you could appreciate the action fully because there was no visual obstruction. then all of a sudden we get this stupid shaky cam bullshit that just pissed me off more than anything. from there it just got worse. you have the 20 foot tall pile of bodies out of nowhere that they decided to stand in front of when their own allies were behind them for some reason. they then get surrounded somehow by one of the dumbest scenes in the show. the entirety of that encirclement was just a shitty way to add dramatic effect for the next scene. oh and the next scene, it's sansa literally getting everyone killed because strong women don't need to explain shit to a man

overall it's a 7/10 episode

What was unrealistic was that no officer (Davos) remained in the rear to give signals to the fighting men. That way encirclement could have possibly been prevented.

As for the cavalry, it appearing out of nowehere was the unforgivable sin of the ep.

He's a big guy

Horses, even bred and drilled war horses literally never charge into massive, tight ranks, even from behind.

Do you think this scene looks realistic?

Why wasnt he shot approaching?

Looks like something from a parody movie.
Like the scary/epic movie guys decided to make a game of thrones parody.

that could be applied to wildlings too, they had no way to defend from arrows and they were totally rekt by that shieldwall. You just don't go to war on foot without a shield.

I cringed the entire battle. It was even for a setting with Ice zombies dragons and shit, so absolutely unbelievable and retarted. Ramsays strategy was entirely based on Jon having no discipline and the giant hill of corpses that just massed on one spot. Also why did nobody attack the goddamm idiotic Pavese Phalanx while they marched over the corpse hill and around their entire flank. The giant would have ripped the entire formation appart before they got into position. And why did Ramsay have his cavalary charge and then started to shoot them up. He could have just shoot Jon and then the charging Nights Watch without loses.
The battle was just set up, so that Sansa could prove superior above Jon and Ramsay by having deus ex machina knights charging out of nowhere.

>trained soldier
>years of experience
>facing death
>man gives you ultimatum
>drop swords and run manically
pretty funny tbph

i forgot about this scene. i didn't feel like writing an essay anyway. there's a dozen things you can pick out of every got episode that prove how shitty this show has become. now that you reminded me i've revised my rating

a solid 6/10

>what shouldve happened

It's not just about the shots. We follow around Jon through the battle, and while he survives, we see him desperate, vulnerable, acting like an animal. There's multiple times in the battle where someone almost stabs him in the back simply because the fight is pure chaos. To me it signalled that he doesn't just have magical plot armour as many would still claim. We know he can die. Especially in the scene where is nigh on buried alive.

What I like about that scene was not that it was a "rhyme" (cue pottery posting) with the Mhysa scene, but that it's kind of the opposite. Like Ice is to Fire. He isn't carried, he has to push himself out of a crush of corpses, carried not by the will of others but his own.

Jon going berzerk is a stark contrast to his other fighting depictions, where he keeps an upright posture, not enjoying to murder everyone. This Jon has clearly gone over the edge, savagely impaling enemies on his blade and stabbing them on the ground. Those are inefficient moves that are likely to get you killed, but he goes with them anyway.

From a battle description point, the desperation of the Stark forces was visceral. I don't think there has ever been a battle scene that so clearly showed how bad a battle can go, and that men don't just run in like idiots to the slaughter.

I felt that the turmoil, vulnerability, desperation, and monstrosity of the scene was carried pretty well by the long shot and Jon's acting, as well as the chaos that nearly kills him at every turn. Feel free to disagree with me though.

>one log in my right hand one door in my left hand
>one log rightnd one door leftnd
>one logitd one deftitd
>one LG one dft
>one one
>WUN WUN

>The battle was just set up, so that Sansa could prove superior
this is basically it

>refuses to tell jon she has cia's help the night before

>As for the cavalry, it appearing out of nowehere

What the fuck are you even talking about retard?

>There's multiple times in the battle where someone almost stabs him in the back
in the most dramatic way possible. they could have done a better job

ITT: whingeing cunts

I give it a 6/10 too. Cinematography was great... direction and plot? Not so much. Acting was GoT average.