>“The main thing we learned [on Batman v Superman] is that people don’t like to see their heroes deconstructed,” said producer Deborah Snyder. “They like seeing them in all their glory… I think what’s really great is where we’re going is kind of what the audience is wanting. We just had to take the characters from somewhere to bring them up to where they are and that was our journey.”
>>“With Justice League, [Batman and Superman] have both been freed of the shackles of the responsibility to be in a place where they would fight each other,” the director explained. “That is liberating for us in making the movie because really now we have a single enemy with a single objective, and it’s really about uniting the team. That, to me, is a fun activity.”
Don't you get it? You guys are the idiots! Not my shit script and ideas!
>With Justice League, [Batman and Superman] have both been freed of the shackles of the responsibility to be in a place where they would fight each other >Implying it was NEEDED to make them fight in the first place
Oliver Watson
>They like seeing them in all their glory
er... duh?
>both been freed of the shackles of the responsibility to be in a place where they would fight each other
and this was some cosmic event out of your control? YOU made it a dark and dreary conflict. there was no need to make it a vs movie.
even after all this i'm still going to watch the ultimate cut anyway.
Adrian Reyes
how exactly were they deconstructed?
Jackson Wilson
instead of just doing what they do, kicking supervillan ass, they were examined as characters.
fuck that tho.
Josiah James
were they really though?
Brandon Smith
I pretty sure actually would like to see that, just not done in a shitty stupid way.
Joshua Campbell
In a way Zack Snyder understands.
So poorly. Remember all the worst stuff in Watchmen was stuff he added himself.
William Green
Yes.
Oliver Bell
lol no
Joseph Mitchell
>it's a director blaming the audience for not liking their shitty movie episode Hah!
Juan Russell
>how exactly were they deconstructed? Well you learned their mom's name didn't you you ungrateful little prick, what else do you want.
Logan Sullivan
You guys are too stupid to understand my art movie - Hack Snyder
Samuel Harris
He's right though. It's a tough choice, but I probably enjoyed the backlash from retarded asspained fanboys like you more than the kino itself.
Isaiah Gomez
It really sucks that the movie was cut down for theaters. Snyder's portrayal of Superman's was much more effective in the ultimate cut. That being said, this passive-aggressiveness coming from Deborah snyder is really unwarranted, it's not our fault for watching the botched version.
Benjamin Anderson
Agree, looks like it's the season of butthurt fanboys again.
How can one man be so based?
Colton Williams
they said they learned it from the movie. nobody realized a dark vs movie would fail. neckbeards have been sperging about a dark knight rises toned movie for years. many people thought a darker movie would do well.
Blake Howard
The guy that makes these threads is secretly an extremely ass-blasted DC fanboy. Take note: I said fanboy, not fan.
Fanboy faggots like this sit around all day obsessing over "muh " like they're the only person on the planet that understands the characters and has a say, no a God-given right, to dictate the direction they're taken in by the people who actually do this shit for a living. It lets them cower inside the delusions of all the things they *could* do if given "the chance." With fanboy faggots it's always about those "chances," because by deluding themselves into believing these chances originate from anywhere besides them getting off their fat, complacent asses and applying themselves, it's not their fault that they're just gutless losers spouting bile and vitriol behind the veil of anonymity a site like this provides for them.
This guy's deep in the closet with his fanboy faggotry, because this just goes so far beyond what a person who just wasn't a fan of the IPs could muster. If I were solely a Marvel fan, I doubt I could muster much beyond casual indifference for DC's properties. No, this undiscovered country of asspain can only come from someone who feels deeply betrayed, and is such an entitled little fuck about it that this whole board must tolerate daily infusions of his impotent, puerile rage.
Dominic Foster
>Snyder's portrayal of Superman's was much more effective in the ultimate cut.
I agree 100%. The superman escene when he calls his mom or when he is devastated after the bombing are among my favorites in the movie. Fuck the jews that destroyed the theatrical version
Colton Turner
>okay so there's this character >he's not a hero >he's also invulnerable to harm >for some reason he tries to be superman anyway >some baddies show up to try to kill the planet to make him look reasonable by comparison this is true for both superman and batman. they are literally the same character.
Kayden Harris
god damn dude is this pasta relax holy shit thats funny tho
Nolan Wilson
Not like I watched Flash in TV being very below glory
Gavin Torres
>people don't want to see fantasy superhero characters in popcorn flicks deconstructed in pseudo intellectual garbage meant to be fun capeshit
YA DONT SAY??????
If you want to deconstruct heroes, make a drama about cops or military personnel. You know, real life shit. Don't shoehorn it into capeshit and expect people to not get upset when what they thought was going to be a fun summer flick ends up being a boring overstuffed melodrama.
Particularly when there was no build up or development for these characters to be fucking deconstructed in the first place.
Juan Adams
yes you belligerent fuck
Jayden Parker
things like that have literally been a staple point in comics since the 1980's dumbass
Ethan Green
no, you delusion faggot
Easton Scott
but it was, you are either a fucking retard (most likely), or didnt see the film
Josiah Barnes
op here. my response to you: kek
Jack Miller
There's some good threads discussing it. Sadly the archive is down, at least for me. If it is accessible later I'll post links.
anything with "deconstructed" in the description is shit
like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was terrible
>hey audience, you're watching a ____ movie. Get it??
Leo Cox
Yes It turned out they were flat boring characters, and the movie was a waste of time
Dominic Morales
>“The main thing we learned [on Batman v Superman] is that people don’t like to see their heroes deconstructed,”
Fuck off. People love hero deconstruction, comics have been wallowing in that trope for decades. They just want it done well.
Carson Moore
>“The main thing we learned [on Batman v Superman] is that people don’t like to see their heroes deconstructed,” said producer Deborah Snyder.
The main thing I learned on Batman v Superman is your husband is the worst filmmaker currently employed by a major Hollywood studio.
Kevin Brooks
pretty much this.
"people dont want a serious dc movie, they want marvel fun!"
no we want a serious dc movie thats GOOD
Christopher Wright
> thinks a Batman and Superman movie needs to be like Watchmen and Miracleman > calls others idiots
Oliver Jones
you misspellt best
Aaron Long
>what is Frank Miller >Faggot
John Wood
The only retarded people here are those who enjoyed this flick.
Dominic Anderson
>implying you even read comics
Owen Turner
And yet it took you roughly ten minuets to respond, gg user, you are a fucking tard.
Ryan Howard
SAVAGE
Carter Sanchez
>Being this assblasted is your next argument gonna be "not muh"?
Joshua Reed
>Deconstruct Superman in reboot. >Have deconstructed Superman face off against Batman. >Forget that Batman versus Superman is only compelling because of contrast of tone between characters. >Ends up being Usually Deconstructed Man versus Newly Deconstructed Man.
Andrew Perry
Terrible damage control from DC's part The worst part is that it works This pseudo intellectual garbage is cancer, I can't believe Snyder can make neckbeard capeshit fanboys argue the artistic merits of toy catalogues for months.
Aaron Myers
>Usually Deconstructed Man and Newly Deconstructed Man team up with Cardboard Cutout Cameo Character against Invincible Brute Monster
John Hall
you sound upset
Christian Kelly
Nobody here knows what 'puerile' means - fuck off!
Ayden Baker
>distract normies and shitty reporters with le quips >continue making kino behind the scenes
Lincoln Lopez
>even after all this i'm still going to watch the ultimate cut anyway.
You are everything wrong with the movie industry.
Brandon Long
>he thinks quips can be kino
Hunter Kelly
>people continue to declare the movie wasnt too smart for them! >yet there are people in this very thread questioning rather "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" was a deconstruction of the characters
I mean....come on..
Ethan Howard
>has reading comprehension difficulties
Thomas Young
Is she actually this dumb of a cunt. Very good move firing this dumb bitch and her husband. What the fuck
Michael Ross
Deb Snyder is right, but I kind of wish she didn't say this because you're going to have (already happening) non thinking autists come out with the "what the hell did it deconstruct???" comments
Which is fine, as it fuels proof of just how many people are idiots that didn't get the movie, but it's a conversation you pretty much can't win as any proof of narrative and/or analysis one offers, the autist will simply plug their ears and ignore.
Zachary Wilson
Gotta have a thing to deconstruct, user - can't deconstruct something without establishing it first - mrs. snyder did not establish anything for them to deconstruct. Thus, her entire premise is utter and complete bullshit. Tl;dr - piss off you pseudo intellectual faggot.
Juan Rivera
>Batman and Superman >75+ Years of History
>Not established
Are you a fucking retard?
Frank Millers Dark Knight Returns was not based on any actual continuity when it was released but was still a deconstructionist narrative.
Holy fucking shit.
Brandon Baker
i dont think you even know why your angry
Levi Jackson
are you fucking retarded?
Nathan Morgan
Still haven't seen it, waiting on the Ultimate Edition which I'm hoping will be available for rent at some point considering the purchase of movies is ridiculous, I'm not paying 20-30 bucks for something I'll watch once or maybe twice
Jonathan Lopez
>a movie failing to establish its own importance by itself so hard its defenders need to say this and get this mad Thanks Snyder
Ryan Powell
wew lad e w l a d
Are you sure you're up for this conversation, cupcake? Cause you seem awful butthurt already. As this user correctly pointed out, a film must establish itself - it can't rely on 75+ years of conflicting history. It must establish WHAT history it is using BEFORE it deconstructs said history. Not that hard for grownups to understand, kiddo.
Connor Perry
Well sure, deconstructing is fine. I would have preferred it not to be Batman vs Superman vs Doomsday ft. Wonder Woman though.
Juan Brooks
Firstly, the movie wasn't even original. It was the bastard child hybrid of The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman.
Secondly, it wasn't even well done. Alfred is only a few years older than Bruce Wayne, Batman is a retard with narcolepsy, Superman is a whiny emo, Lex Luthor is a faggot. Saying the name "Martha" apparently suddenly makes you BFFs... Seriously?
>no we want a serious dc movie thats GOOD Live-action anyway. The animated ones seem to be doing pretty good job.
Jordan Price
good god, you really are fucking numb in the brain, the pair of you.
I would b hard pressed to find someone who didnt understand the concept of superman or batman at at least the most basic of values, hence why a new direction was chosen. as similarly stated.
then again >wew lad this gay shit proves your underage anyway, probably why you were to stupid to get it, kiddy.
And you, did you even see the fucking film or just read the imdb synopsis, because from way your saying it seems closer to the latter.
Jordan Garcia
>literally meme buzzwords and meme criticisms
God I love this. Please continue to prove your idiocy.
Adam Moore
I respect what this movie did with its characters, the logical growth considering the trauma they endure, and the exploration of how they would realistically be percieved in modern society.
Obviously flawed in many areas, but it was more stimulaing than 90% of the redundant substanceless superhero drivel that has been boring me to fucking tears.
So, I'd say it was a step in the right direction. Too bad people don't like thinking.
Isaac Cook
Jeez louise! You really don't understand that you must have a 'construction' BEFORE you can have a 'DE-construction'. That you must ESTABLISH something before you RIP IT APART. You can't destroy what isn't there, user - and, while there IS 75+ years of history, all that history is inconsistent with itself - all the fans have DIFFERENT interpretations of the material. You must establish what material your movie is treating as 'canon' before you deconstruct that canon. Is it really this confusing to you? Do you really still not understand why bvs failed? And you're seriously gonna try to play the >muh, I don't meme meme? Fuck off, pleb.
Samuel Gray
>You must not have seen the film, or else you'd agree it's the GREATEST THING EVAR >Your criticisms don't count because they've been pointed out so often that they've become a memes
typical buttmad fanboys
Ethan Edwards
Amen, brother!
Isaiah Edwards
While I agree with your views on how to have efficient character deconstruction, I feel this movie plainly established Batman as a mimicry of Nolan's Batman now aged, and built off the development of superman in his god-awful standalone film.
These are the two established characters who are then deconstructed.
Fast and lazy, sure, but it was certainly a functional concept.
Whether the execution of this concept was good is another story.
Aaron Phillips
Fair enough, user. If we take your assertion as a given, then the movie has 'establishment'. Fast and lazy, as you say; and unfavorably executed. And, of course, the deconstruction that occurs ain't very favorably executed, either.
Nathaniel Nguyen
>“The main thing we learned [on Batman v Superman] is that people don’t like to see their heroes deconstructed,”
Is that what you called that, Debbie? Because shallowly pitting a bunch of iconic characters together with no motivations, characterization, or personalities isn't actually deconstruction in the literary sense of the term so you must actually just mean deconstructed in the sense that taking a wrecking ball to a skyscraper is deconstructing it.
Camden Gutierrez
Cry more dcuck. Your favorite comics and their movies are dogshit.
Sebastian Butler
...
Brandon Hernandez
We four seem to be reasonable anons - stay intelligent, brothers!
Levi Cooper
Never in all my days have I seen more Reddit posts
Ryan Barnes
ah, ye olde le reddit le maim - well played!
Tyler Thomas
that was like the entire movie fampai, they went really in your face about it.
Wyatt Thompson
>“The main thing we learned [on Batman v Superman] is that people don’t like to see their heroes deconstructed,” holy fuck, how can they still be so arrogant?
Matthew Adams
did the ultimate cut leak?
Brayden Nelson
Good bloody question, user. Fucking mind-boggling.
Ethan Robinson
Except Superman is not a dark character, at all Batman, yes, but not Superman. Which is probably why Batman was the best part of the movie (minus the killing he does).