>filename says Carter >OP says its Schoenberg >my memory tells me its Boulez
who do I trust
Aaron Clark
Not Shoenberg
Mason Murphy
Nigga that's Ligeti
Brody White
You retard that's clearly Gershwin
Cooper Torres
very funny guys. upboats all around
Sebastian Peterson
Whatever, keep being ignorant of musical history.
Nolan Lopez
Is "The Hammer without a Master" the dopest name for a piece ever?
Isaac Watson
Reposting this cause I genuinely liked the suggestion.
>Gonna recommend the Orford String Quartet, never heard of them before but their playing easily ranks among the elite and is a lot more exciting than the usual academic stuff. Tully Potter called them "among the most impressive Beethoven ensembles" and so far I'd agree.
So I'm trying to get into composition as a hobby. It seems unsurprisingly I have 0 musicality. So what are some activities that will help me develop a better ear? I don't particularly want to learn to play an instrument because that would involve cultivating dexterity which is in short supply for me to begin with. Should I try to arrange some pieces in my DAW by ear or something?
Hudson James
>Do u like Petzold?
Jackson Cox
Probably learn to sight read and sing (dont have to be a great singer). Also study orchestration and theory
Eli Harris
>This is Arnold Schoenberg, say something nice about him.
Schoenberg was a true maestro of his form, his music is still worth listening to. Also he wasn't as radical as fuckface Boulez
Mason Jones
I tend to get a lot of compositional ideas when I'm falling asleep, anyone else?
John Perez
I never sleep, because sleep is the cousin of death.
Andrew Rivera
It's fairly common among untrained musical people. To imagine music (at least in its first seconds/minutes, when it's still not coming out by itself) is a real effort, you have to actively think about it to hear with enough clarity music (well, this happens only if you're not particularly inspired at the moment). When you go to sleep not only it is easier to think about music, but it's also easier to listen to it: the more drowsy you get the more clear, polyphonic and personal the music will be. I know a great deal of composers who meditate only in a trance like state, very similar to drowsiness. I do it too to get the first draft of music, then I'll polish it while I am lucid, and once finished polishing it I'll imagine it again in a meditative state to hear what new properties can emerge, and I keep doing this until the piece looks perfect to me. When you read about how people like Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert talked about inspiration, efforless and seemingly divine, it becomes hard to think that they did not compose under similar trance-like states of mind.
Kayden Watson
You don't really hate Mozart, right?
Isaiah Davis
Some edgelords claim to. But it's also pretty edgy to call him underrated (which he only is if you compare him to like pop music).
Joshua Gray
So my gf's parents invited us along to an opera and gave us the choice between Tosca and I Puritani (I haven't seen either one). Which one would you pick?
Luis Torres
Der Reingold
James Martin
>This is Arnold Schoenberg, say something nice about him.
He wasn't responsible for all the damage.
Nathan Powell
That's what I'm currently listening to but it's not played at our opera house. It's Das Rheingold btw not Der
James White
>*blocks your path* >"have you been underrating me, user?"
What did Brahms and Mendelssohn think of each other?
Brayden Evans
Well Mendelssohn died when Brahms was only 14 years old so
Luke Scott
I saw the film of this.
Jaxon Wood
Wait I thought this was Ballet Mecanique. Nvm
Charles Morris
How can so many of you dedicate so much time to shitposting and reading about classical music and not once dabble in composing something yourself? Or are you just too shy to post any of it? Sweet, I get that too a lot. I can also imagine large amounts of random shit in crystal clear quality and detail compared to what I can usually picture. How does one maintain this trance?
"Tuba Mirum" is the most underrated part of Mozart's requiem. I get chills each time "Mors stupebit et natura" begins
Jonathan Cox
Tosca probably. I Puritani is good too, but Tosca is probably a better intro to opera if you've not seen either (also, is this at the Met?)
Brandon Long
Thanks, no I'm in Germany, Stuttgart to be precise
Lincoln Lopez
Can all of you please dump all GOOD unequal temperament recordings you know of in this thread? Preferably piano or harpsichord. Thanks.
Nathan Butler
Are there any charts for romanticism and modern/post-romantic music? Or lists, any good reference for that
John Lewis
by this, what did he mean?
Christopher Rodriguez
that influence and traditions of the past are poison for art and artistic growth
Ryder Cruz
Boulez was just a futurist by a different name
Logan Miller
He said it in his first half of his life, when he was young, radical and wanted to impose the new avant-gards as the new classical standard. He regretted most of those statements in the late years of his life, and considered all the effort put by humanity in the 20th century as a waste. Then he died.
>tfw
Lucas Jones
If you compose long enough you will eventually have one of those moments, and from then on you will know how to intuitively have access to it. At the end of the day creating music is a form of meditation, as long as you don't stain it with words. In general meditation will do that to you. It makes you skip the whole natural process (wich may never happen, since it requires to you to do it at least once by yourself) and directly go to the source.
Why do all the major classical guitar composer compose only for guitar solo? I mean, 1 classical guitar is limited, but with 2 CGs you've got the range of the piano and even more, and with 3 CGs you basically have a small ensemble.
Why do all classical guitar composers limit themselves so much? Will we ever see a renaissance of classical guitar composing?
Caleb Kelly
idiot. thats berg not schoenberg. what a loser. so stupid.
Benjamin Nguyen
see
Gavin Brown
>Opera body positivity
REEEEEEEE GET OUT GET OUT
Daniel Sanders
I'm honestly surprised to find out that he isn't a jew, but I'm still not completely convinced.
Christopher Diaz
Haven't you heard the expression the show isn't over until the fat lady sings?
Robert Hill
he's a frog, close enough
Gabriel Gomez
If you let YouTube autoplay for at least 5 videos, you will always end up at fucking Chopin. No exceptions.
Wyatt Walker
I'm just about resigned to the fact that Wagnerian sopranos are now allowed to be as large as possible (pic related, and Melton is one of the most overrated dramatic sopranos on the go at the moment). But leave my soubrettes and coloratura sops alone as skinny things who are actually believable as love interests.
>but opera is primarily an audial art form so it doesn't matter :^) >But also Otello has to be black, you racist.
Ian Hughes
That's Boulez, you fucktard
R.I.P.
Landon Nelson
Shakespeare probably imagined Othello as having lighter skin
interesting video. Post other interesting classical videos
Joseph Gonzalez
oh neat, been waiting for this one
Bentley Nguyen
So you have to be under 5'5" if you want your music to not be shit?
Jace Collins
There seems to be some correlation there except Brahms was apparently 170 cm or 5'6
Camden Taylor
Bach was considered tall for his time's standards. Being tall is not relevant, what is relevant is that, for one reason or another, you have to shut yourself in a room for your entire life to do something good.
Beethoven was short, ugly and deaf and Bach was a complete autist. The only link between them is their sheer discipline, knowledge and isolationism.
Austin Gutierrez
both are fucking morons
Jordan Harris
Bach almost definitely wasn't autistic. I have no idea where you get this idea, but it's probably from retarded memes you've read on this board. He was likely an extremely social person, and very industrious.
And Beethoven wasn't fully deaf until late in his life.
Anthony Gray
I'm about half through it, but it doesn't seem that bad. Peterson's making a lot of gratuitous comparisons to psychiatry and Jungian archetypes because that's where his background is, but what's wrong with anything Andreyev is saying?
Wyatt Hill
I mean developmental psychology, not psychiatry
Dominic Lewis
Why would Andreyev sit down for an interview with an alt-right loon?
Jose Walker
I don't know. When did he do that?
Brayden Campbell
Peterson has been a fan of his videos for a while As for the alt-right loon bit I think most rational people would disagree unless you're just provoking us
Hudson Hughes
That's probably just because Peterson talked to Stefan Molyneux, and also there's a video of him talking to a hot white nationalist girl: youtube.com/watch?v=2KWXdDYEz10
Nolan Martinez
My bad, I didn't mean that he was literally a arm-waving screaming autistic kid, I just wanted to imply that he truly loved his craft, and pursued mastery out of sheer interested (wich means that he didn't need to be forced into solitude by external factors). I'm fully aware that all the accounts of him that arrived to us picture him as a very well-adjusted family man.
Lincoln Powell
I truly dislike the pseudo-culture Peterson is popping in the internet sphere, yet I have to be fair: he has nothing to do with the alt-right.
He is opposed to preferred pronouns, but that's as far as he's going. There is no hint of antisemitism, racism and ultranationalism in his speeches.
Blake Hill
His opposition to radical legislation or social justice movements has, at times, put him on the side of the alt-right and many other political factions which are opposed to SJWism. I don't think he has ever expressed any views which could categorize him as alt-right specifically
Austin Brown
nothing is really wrong. he's right on most of his historical facts, but his analysis is extremely reductionist and frankly boring. he really adds nothing new or even interesting. he just sounds like he's in a men's warehouse commercial or something not a composer.
Anthony Robinson
hey Sup Forums can you recommend me some good modern classic? thank you
James Rogers
That makes sense, I guess I only read your post that way because popular belief often makes great composers out to be autistic, even when it couldn't be further from the truth (the only genuine examples I can think of are probably Bruckner and Martinu). I wonder how much of his music Bach composed sitting at the clavichord with other people around him
Evan Myers
Well, this is what you get from composers ''trying to incorporate avant-garde elements to pop music''. I mean, for fuck's sake, how boring can you possibly be?
Jacob Wright
I recommend Kalevi Aho's symphonies
Charles Morales
Peterson: "I really had that experience with Bach's 'Well Tempered Clavier' which I had to listen to jeez maybe 20 times before I would say I had anything remotely like enjoyment as a consequence."
I find is raw attempts to grapple with our music to be kind of endearing. He's not claiming to know anything about the topic, it's just a fascination for him and I think he does a decent job interviewing Andreyev
Landon Gray
He's explaining concepts to a lay audience, so you can't expect too much. If you want something deeper, you'd do better to listen to Andreyev's analyses of musical compositions (mostly modern and contemporary) on his own channel: youtube.com/user/temporalfissure/videos
Jack Flores
He was talking about him starting out doing that as a teenager.
Henry Hill
To be fair I've had the same experience, but the Art of Fugue was an instant catch for me.
I've thought about it, and I came up with the conclusion that happy music (from playful to pastoral) doesn't resonate with the modern man anymore, and some sort of ''translation'' has to be made (most music appreciation teachers will usually try to immerse you in the historical context of the composer, were such music still had a strong, instinctive emotional grip on the listener). It's way no amateur listener ever care about Beethoven's 2nd movements.
Ryder Moore
Well Sor and Carulli did write some duos for instance and imo Carullis duos are better than his solo works. I think more broadly speaking the guitar reportoire is quite limited especially when confining it to pieces specifically written for the guitar. Sure there's Sor and Barrios who wrote some good stuff but it's simply nothing truely great. And maybe the lack of works for two guitars stems from the limited abilities of the composers.
Angel Long
The second movement of Beethoven's 7th symphony is one of his most famous compositions, though
Jonathan Flores
Sorry, I was talking about Beethoven's piano sonatas (I was still thinking about Bach's keyboard music)
Cooper Perez
Second movement of Pathetique is pretty popular I think
Landon Ward
Then there's the Pathetique but I think your argument stands that a majority of Beethoven's second movements are forgotten by the public.
Nathan Jenkins
The public doesn't really know Beethoven's sonatas outside the two really famous ones anyway
Evan Hall
Not as famous as the 1st and 3rd movement, wich are still infinitely more accessible than the 2nd one.
Unless you pick the filthiest normies these sonatas are relatively known: 1, 5, 8, 14, 17, 23, 29, 30, 31 and 32. Everyone, no matter how pleb they are, who had a Beethoven phase know these sonatas.
Jordan Ross
How many people need to speak out against Mozart's banal trash before people understand that he's overrated?
Xavier Miller
Probably not many, just the same handful of butthurt people like Gould.
Jaxson Hughes
Gould was a failed composer.
Nolan Hernandez
I'd say the 2nd movement outranks the 3rd but not the 1st the overall claim of his argument was that only a thin surface level of say Beethoven's works frequently explored. Whether its the 2nd or 3rd movement is just semantics.
Kevin Morris
he wrote some fun stuff that was more of an experiment than a failed career path. He had established his career as a concert pianist and while he did have aspirations as a composer when he was young, he never seriously pursued it in any capacity. youtube.com/watch?v=QZM4yxbE0ZE
Jeremiah Fisher
>failed at something he never tried to be
Wyatt Powell
>happy music...doesn't resonate with the modern man anymore Happy music always resonates it is just that happy changes over time. What made a happy person in the 18th century is a lot different to what is regarded as the good life these days. Sadness though, that's more universal.
Liam Peterson
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Julian Kelly
That's what I said: you have to translate the mood and fully immerse yourself in the historical context.
