If you went back in time to the 1200's, with nothing, not even clothes, what would you be able to offer people to better your position or the world?
Me I'd say I have a rudimentary understanding of physics and chemistry. I bet I could make a flying machine.
I bet you couldnt.
I'd be willing to bet money on that.
Developing an airfoil wouldn't be difficult, and then I could use canvas and glue for the hull and spruce for the frame. No engine but it could be cool at very least.
would that timetravel include the appropriate vaccinations ?
Just whatever you have now...why tho?
And how does that "better your position or the world"? A simple machine, when there is really no chance of improving upon that without much more advanced technology to help you.
How would showing off a basic contraption help you or them?
If I'm still in the Americas, I'd be fucked because it's the middle of November and all the tribes migrate so it's a total crapshoot if I wouldn't freeze to death in an hour.
If I'm back in Ireland I'd probably be stoned to death for public impropriety due to being naked.
Nigger gonna be burned at the stake for heresy and witchcraft
educating others to help jump start certain technological revolutions.
That's why I said "cool at very least". I'm pretty sure we could come up with other uses for a glider.
I'm also pretty sure I could develop fracking and collection of crude oil that can be used for other things
>rudimentary understanding of physics and chemistry
You'd get burned and tortured to death fag.
Not if I'm smart about it and go seeking the right kind of people. Or maybe come up with some kind of bomb in secret in the woods and then blow up a city and then claim to be some kind of deity
The problem with your ideas, is they either depend on technologies that don't yet exist, or the locals will simply have no understanding/care of what you're doing and might end up killing you.
If you wanted to make a difference, you would concentrate on improving living conditions at least. Be that proper drainage, water filtration, etc.
You guys are trying to jump before you've even learnt to walk.
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Probably die of disease in about 4 days.
Develop the assembly line and mass produce things to be sold. These guys don't even have the word "economy" yet.
enjoy your smallpox.
witch-burnings were something that happened in the 17th century, not the 12th.
At first I guess you would have real problems understanding the language.
Second you will have real problems to collect enough money to build your machine.
I guess the best to build would be a hot air ballon. It's simple enough, cheap and still really impressive.
Enother project I could manage to build a telescope. Galileo became a rich man with these.
Also I have a good understanding of math and physiys so I could be the next Isaac Newton.
nothing, im sure i would be killed or imprisoned almost right away for having any idea that dealt with science, philosophy, or progress of any kind.
I don't know shit about the 1200s but I'd assume you'd run into problems the second you get there. First you wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone. They'd also probably be scared of you and will try and kill you. If that doesn't happen and you actually collaborate with them, most of the tools used to make modem machines aren't around so you'd have to make you're own set of tools by yourself. It's a nice idea but you wouldn't last more than a month.
>witch-burnings were something that happened in the 17th century
not exactly up on history that much are you user. We've been killing people with idea's that were even slightly progressive for hundred of years now. It's only recently we started to be like "oh wait..." and even now there's enough of an anti-science movement going on to cause concern.
This user gets it
I'd turn up and teach any bitch without gingivitis how to shave their bush's & breed an army of alphas raised on meat & grains i pillaged from weaker people, then carve my family name into the history books.
Aerofag here
The description of flight triggers me so hard
>Give them the ultimate technology
mass production and industry was well-established.
the only thing Henry ford introduced was the conveyor belt moving an object down a line.
not 1200's, but as an example, italian armourers in the 1450's in Milan were working in factory environments, with each section run by a master, with apprentices under them, one section doing arms, another legs, and so on. The scale of production was such that, after a defeat, the City of venice needed to re-equip. they ordered heavy cavalry armours from Brescia, and they delivered 600 harnesses of full plate within 2 weeks.
In the 1380's, one of the Burgundian dukes was dealing with the milanese arm industry, and made orders for stuff like 3,000 harnesses, 5,000 helms, 500 pairs of gauntlets, at a time. Every year, for 10 years - and the milanese industry was able to supply that.
most industry was the same.
mass production is nothing new.
just go to any college and impress them with my knowledge of socrates and plato
no
Siege on, young Trebber
I'd befriend King John and plunder England and France.
I have a BA in math. I can "invent" calculus, analysis, and abstract algebra.
>At first I guess you would have real problems understanding the language.
I saw a docc that said that the Saxons pretty much speak english and that it wouldn't be difficult to communicate.
smallpox would be relatively easy to cure providing you had access to milkmaids and manage to avoid being killed for some stupid religious reason and don't die of something else in the meantime, you'd also need to convince them you are not infact insane, perhaps by reading something.
I think some sort of healthcare position would be easy enough to land providing you don't piss anybody off, applying common sense wherever you can.
I hope you speak French because fuck all people spoke modern sounding English back then or even the rudimentary from they had. Everyone spoke French.
pretty much this
I know how to make gunpowder.
I know how to generate an electrical current.
I know how to make stainless steel.
I know hygiene measures.
I know how to weld.
I'll be fine. Call myself a sage or something, I'll extend people's lifespans just by living near them.
Romans had mass production down in 300AD. Pic related, massive pot oven with standardised types. Same with fe. stone caskets, they were mass produced and only roughly finished
Siege on, young Trebber
They would speak a completely different version of the English we're speaking today. You might be able to understand them, but I doubt they'd have an easy time understanding you. Sentence structure, wording, phrasing is all different.
Are you honestly this dense? A flying machine in the year 1200 would be far from "simple". I'm willing to bet you have no friends.
My different accent and physical makeup would make me different either leading them to be really interested in me to the point of treat me like a king or really angry at me to the point of outcasting me
Given the differences in law tech and other stuff however I would probably pass my genes on and do some cool nature things
Which is exactly why it wouldn't work. Read the thread next time and then come back with your cool assumptions.
13th century you goth
You would be burned as a witch. Or murdered because you're an outside with to much knowledge.
I don't know about English. I'm German and for me it's pretty hard to understand any words of my language at that time (Middle High German).
>not exactly up on history that much are you user.
if only you knew...
however, you are wrong. The witch-burning period was not the 1200's. it was the 1600's, particularly following the publication of works like "malleus malefecarium". witchcraft, as such in the 12th century is in fact an entirely different social interaction, where *intent* was the primary rule of activity - there are, for instance, records of trials of such, in which the idea of witches flying are mocked by the prosecutors as being nonsense. Magic was an inherent part of the medieval life, there are, for instance, huge volumes of research evidence on the subject of complimentary magic in medicine, to heal someone of a sickness, certain steps would need to be taken - some are logical and make sense, boiling water, for instance. others, however, are entirely part of the realm of superstition - for instance, a healing poultice must be made at a certain time of the month. The entire subject of magic in medieval europe shifts dramatically following the protestant reformation in the first quarter of the 16th century.
There have been doctorates and PhDs on this subject published. It is you who is "not exactly up on history".
CS fag here, can't really do much
Although I can 'discover' all the results of CS/some of Math and take credit for those, assuming they survive the Dark Ages.
if you get smallpox before you find a milkmaid with cowpox and convince her to let you shove a needle in her boil to go ahead and vaccinate yourself, you're fucked
so no it's not relatively easy to 'cure'
Elminate any and all niggers. Also, all religious leaders.
Learn 'cut off my thumb' trick. Fuck unclean bitches. Give them Aids. Kill humanity. Enjoy yourself.
I thought witchburnings were a direct effect from the plague, not the protestants lol. The inquisition and the Kathars and protestants that's a whole other story
How do you make a flying machine without any form of propulsion bro?
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or catch Plague and die
Glider, man guy. Just jump off a cliff.
I know everything there is to know about the 1200's bitch. I played Medieval 2 Total War on hard and won the long campaign. Suck it.
>make light wooden frame
>pull canvas over it
>get on
>jump off a cliff
I'll fucking discover oil man, shit's gonna be SO cash
How do you get money to buy materials for making a flying machine
Natural selection at its finest?
I would share with them magical stories about how an enlightened society is able to conjure images of cats doing stupid shit at will
>13th century you goth
Vicious lies. I've not worn black and listened to the Sisters of Mercy for, oh, hours.
(derp. yep, I should've said 13th. just a stupid typo.)
You know how to weld without a welding muhsheen?
You gotta have money for that, you need a Patron before you can do any of that.
You can't even speak the language, even if you go back in time in England you can't understand the English of the time.
>not knowing everyone is vaccinated because autism doesn't exist in 1200
kek
>I know how to make gunpowder.
Have fun searching for salitter
>I know how to generate an electrical current.
You don't have magnets for a generator. Also you have no machine to empower.
>I know how to make stainless steel.
Have fun searching for chrome
>I know hygiene measures.
No one will listen to you
>I know how to weld.
You can't build a welder
how would you fix it?
Hell I can't understand most of those fuckers in ye olde England from today let alone a thousand years ago lol
Dis nigga watched " Around the world in 80 days" now he thinks he could make a flying machine
When in Rome, act as the Romans do
What is salitter?
>Write prologue to Marx's Capital
>Watch shit unfold
unless you're over the age of 40, you aren't vaccinated for smallpox
I have a post-gratuate M.Litt in history, with research specialism on particular aspects of medieval society. Not saying what particular aspects as you'd be able to ID me in about 3 seconds from it. Worryingly, I'm nowadays described as the authority on my field of research, and from my published work, the main typology of archaeological records of the subject is the user Typology.
(That said, Medieval II Total War is fun, and fuck you, I'm going to have to go reinstall it now....)
I would warn them about this great evil from the land of the jews that are about to arrive with a thing called "christianity" and "jeebus" & "one god"..
I never saw that movie, but jackie chan does kick ass.
dude, autism doesn't exist, everyone is vaccinated in 1200
k
You wouldn't be able to speak to anyone. English was wildly different in the thirteenth century.
I have a good understanding of biology, anatomy and physiology. Also the human body and a few other things but as far as tech goes I wouldn't be much of help.
Also nutrition and that kinda stuff.
It will probably help with immune system strengthening and disease prevention and the whole medical thing.
>No engine
then it isn't a flying machine, it's just a glider. Any idiot can make a glider. People have been strapping artificial bird-wings to themselves and jumping off high places for centuries. Do you honestly think no one in pre-modern times ever took a look at a bird and thought 'hey, that looks neat, lets try it'?
Yours might go a little further if you made a proper aerofoil, but without an engine it would be less than worthless for any practical application. The only thing you would likely achieve with it would be two broken legs.
>If I'm back in Ireland I'd probably be stoned to death for public impropriety due to being naked.
you have a very distorted view of how the middle ages were.
Mistranslation. I'm speaking about potassium nitrate (Salpeter in German)
satanic trips confirms it
All you'd do going back in time is get yourself killed by diseases you're not vaccinated against, or by not speaking the language and looking funny, or kill them by bringing back our modern day even more resistant diseases and whatnot.
You have all the antibodies of your ancestors. You would rarely, if ever, become sick.
Tardlord.
I saw somewhere that with the Kingdoms expansion pack installed you can download a mod to play with the LOTR type soldiers.
>I saw a docc that said that the Saxons pretty much speak english and that it wouldn't be difficult to communicate.
Oft him anhaga
are gebideð,
metudes miltse,
þeah þe he modcearig
geond lagulade
longe sceolde
hreran mid hondum
hrimcealde sæ
wadan wræclastas.
Wyrd bið ful aræd!
Swa cwæð eardstapa,
earfeþa gemyndig,
wraþra wælsleahta,
winemæga hryre:
Oft ic sceolde ana
uhtna gehwylce
mine ceare cwiþan.
Nis nu cwicra nan
þe ic him modsefan
minne durre
sweotule asecgan.
Ic to soþe wat
þæt biþ in eorle
indryhten þeaw,
þæt he his ferðlocan
fæste binde,
healde his hordcofan,
hycge swa he wille.
Ne mæg werig mod
wyrde wiðstondan,
ne se hreo hyge
helpe gefremman.
Forðon domgeorne
dreorigne oft
in hyra breostcofan
bindað fæste;
Sure about that?
It is a huge misconception that a velocity difference causes lift.
It is true that there IS a velocity difference between the upper and lower surfaces of an airfoil, but this is a consequence of lift rather than the mechanism by which it is produced.
Lift is entirely explained by Newton's third law: the air must be "rotated" or - more precisely accelerated - in the direction opposite to the lift force. This is the reason you can produce lift with an angled flat plate, or by having a curved surface.
The velocity difference results from the changes in pressure that occur due to lift (pressure and lift are essentially the same thing explained in different ways: pressure is just the force divided by the area on which the pressure acts).
If you imagine pressure as a measurement of how many air particles collide with the lifting surface, you can imagine they are "bunched up" on the lower surface due to the changed in momentum induced by the lifting surface (and hence reaction force on the surface itself).
More pressure = more collisions. If you imagine trying to push through a crowd it's more difficult if there are more people or if they move around. This is your velocity difference.
people back than were like 5'7 on average, I'd beat the shit out of everyone and become a knight or something.
I'd be a solid foot taller and 100lbs heavier than anybody. Might as well join the army.
Rape and kill.
No camera's and fingerprint / dna shit. So during the night I'm good.
it's called saltpeter in English
and you can find potassium nitrate crystals at the bottom of a manure pile. Of which there were many in the middle ages.
>anonymously lying
I would start enslaving people, they don't know any better yet. An army of slaves in a few days.
Calculus, movement of planets, sanitation, the steam engine
I would blow them all away with my superior Longbow design, I would sell them the plans and the information on how to produce the weapons en mass, using wooden pulley systems to automate the workforce. Then I would use my modern knowledge of strategic and tactical warfare by following the teachings of Hannibal, Ceasar, Alexander etc, to conquer the known world. If we came up against an enemy strong enough to defeat us, I would defect and sell them designs on a superior quick reload crossbow.
I would also tell them to go on a crusade so great that Islam is wiped entirely from history, saving countless future lives.
I would also draw them maps of the world, draw them diagrams of the stars and solar system and the galaxy.
I would design a bicycle for them. I would design a pedal powered car. I would design a firearm, I would implement electricity, I would create an economy based on Capitalism.
I would rule the world in less than 5 years, we could possibly be exploring space less than 100 years after my visit.
Nothing.
(Actually I know a lot about drugs)
Its a pretty good comedy actually
If I would appear in the 1200's somewhere alone (and naked) I would start with beating myself up, to make it look as if I was "robbed" or whatever you would call it back then.. so that I don't have to find a village/town all clean and good looking, and all naked..
I think it's better if it looks as if something bad happened to you, if you have to be naked..
Walking into a village all beaten up, I would seek for some kind of help, and hopefully be taken care of.. (and make up a story of what happened)
To be continued...
that's old English, not middle English.
granted, middle English isn't exactly easy for a modern speaker to understand, but you could probably follow the gist of it.
I would be a giant compared to the other people. Also if I stayed in the same geographical area I'm pretty sure I would be a God because I would be in the middle of the Cherokee nation and they hadn't been introduced to whitey yet. They would look at my massive cock and bow down to my superiority.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>fucking worthless