Terminator 1

>Terminator 1
>The Terminator is damaged and wears a pair of sunglasses to hide his inhumanity

>Terminator 2
>The Terminator decides to wear sunglasses at night to look "cool"

This is why T1 > T2

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>not wanting to look cool

I bet you wear white new balance shoes with jeans, huh?

T2 Tasteful Sunglasses > T1 Dorky Huge Stupid Sunglasses

Second one is better for fitting in.

IRC the future changed in the first movie so something about the T-800 preferred to wear sunglasses because the one in the past did. Like an evolutionary trait passed down or something.

Has Arnold ever been in a bad movie ?

He makes every movie good because of how natural his acting is as well as thw fact hes a genuinely nice guy.

Without him last action hero, that one where hes a teacher and the repet clone one would suck

>evolution
>in robots
fuck off

DAMN DANIEL

I've always thought T1 was the better movie.

It's more a sort of horror movie and truly pretty scary.

T2 is just some action movie, and even if the effects were really good at the time I don't really think they've held up.

Kill yourself you fucking queer.
Do it!
Put the gun to your faggot autistic brains and pull the goddamn trigger you faggot ass loser

What did he meme by this?

Sup Forums.org/t"there's no way I ever understand the concept of tongue in cheek humour"v/

Everyone on this website is a faggot geek who will never touch a pussy and they occasionaly drive-by shitpost from some underaged faggot.

Aside from the doll getting dragged nearly every VFX shot from T2 has held up fantastically.

T1 sunglasses are patrician as fuck. T2 are meh.

>he doesn't understand that every action has a reaction
>he doesn't understand that maybe skynet was watching security feeds from back then
>he doesn't understand how time works and the imprint that can be left behind

Come back when your understanding of science is beyond the 8th grade, future school shooter.

>I have detailed files on human anatomy.

>what's wrong with your eyes?
>why do you cry?

>evolution
>a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, often resulting in the development of new species. The mechanisms of evolution include natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, mutation, migration, and genetic drift.
>robots
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he looks less conspicuous with his lifeless eyes while wearing sunglasses

>robots
>cybernetic organisms

pick one

Why did the T800 adjust his hair in T1?

depends on your opinion of Batman & Robin

Knowing Sup Forums, you probably love it.

>makes an observation about his eyes
>doesn't understand human emotions
>emotions=anatomy

It doesn't explain in the books what exactly causes you to cry for no reason, when you are emotionally in pain not physically

his detailed files make him an efficient killer and also help perform needed operation on John Connor if necessary.

They don't explain human emotion to him.

Surgical textbooks probably don't cover what drives humans to cry, but they're detailed with human anatomy.

Sarah's comment "[Your files on human anatomy] makes you a more efficient killer, right?" gives some insight into why the T800 is confused by crying. Basically, you don't need to waste file space on crying when programmed for murder.

to blend in

>roided megaman with strong Austrian accent? no problem
>hair out of place? ROBOT!

Techno Noir was real.

BAD TO THE BONE

Honestly the Bad to the Bone scene where he takes the shotgun and sunglasses is pretty much just there because it's fun, and damn it, it is.

Cameron knew this.

> watch T1 and T2 back to back
> be so hyped and happy with the series
> type to watch T3 seen it once fucking years ago
> saw it today
> mfw

exhibit B why T1 > T2

first movie looks gritty and real
second movie looks blue and mechanical, which I know is the point, because machines, but still.

There was actually a firmware update between T1 and T2 which told the T800 that riding a motorcycle without glasses or a helmet is suspicious because you get bugs and grit in your eyes and humans will avoid such things

I don't think I've noticed until now how much Arnold looks like an "ugly ginger kid" in T2. He definitely could've used the bigger, manlier T1 shades.

T1 shades > T2 sunglasses

>pretty girl terminator
>towlk teu da hand
>my so called life girl

The ending was good though, surprised me the first time.

this thread has been posted word for word, same image and all, before.

Emotions are literally derived from our anatomy. He honestly should have detailed files on our irrational emotional responses derived from the logical evolutionary reaction to stressors.

Theres different color releases man. I remember watching T1 and it was blue and green as shit, until finding version with original color palet

They're both different looking movies, but I've always admired how modern T2 looks despite being 25 years old now.

and all of it will happen again

Every movie after Last Action Hero.

...

That movie is my fucking aesthetic, man.

Same with The Killer, Escape From New York, The Warriors, shit like that.

I suppose they should have given him personality and emotions and make him exactly like humans in every way, so he doesn't resemble a cyborg in the slightest too.

>True Lies is a bad movie

Even basic files on human anatomy would include tear ducts and their function so he wouldn't need to ask if there was something wrong with his eyes. No understanding of emotions needed.

In T3, the same model terminator preforms an analysis just by looking at John Conner when he threatens to shoot himself and even says he measures heart rate, pupil dilation, and perspiration.

Maybe I'm nitpicking the point, but it just doesn't seem sensible that a machine built for assassination that clearly understands fear and human anatomy, has no understanding of the function of crying.

The t3 is bed meme needs to die already.
T1 > T2 > T3 > SCC > salvation > using a wood chipper as a slip and slide > genyshit

It's been awhile but I thought the T3 Arnold was slightly different model.

Eraser was his last decent role despite how cliche it was. Prime Arnold ends at True Lies, but he had already begun to erode his reputation with Kindergarten Cop, Junior, and Twins.

>The t3 is bed meme needs to die already.
its not a meme, the movie is just shit, you can watch T1 and T2 back to back and have a nice debate which one is better and what you prefer, T3 is just shit, theres no one to even argue that "Well you know akshually it was kind of ok"

>Even basic files on human anatomy would include tear ducts and their function so he wouldn't need to ask if there was something wrong with his eyes. No understanding of emotions needed.

>What's wrong with your eyes?
>I got some sand in one of them from spending days sleeping in the desert
>Come here, I will remove it

Sure I guess. Before that, knowing the kinds of things we might do under stress (like while we're being hunted) and why might be a good idea. Just sayin'.

yep, just checked, it's a T-850, probably more detailed files or something

both are good
but T1 is way more patrician

There's nothing in the movies that says its a different model of Terminator (in fact the opposite, he says he was chosen to infiltrate the resistance because of John's past experiences with the same model), the 'T850' idea is from the EU novelisation.

T3 fucks up the timeline is all sorts of ways but...
Watch T3 again. The T3 T800 clearly says it is not the same T800 from T2. As for tear ducts: Why do you need to know about tear ducts if you are trying to physically protect someone? Obviously the T2 can scan for physical injuries and would not need an emotional queue to sense them.
Also, maybe it is just nitpicking but it feels like a little more ambiguous. After all, Cameron did cut out a small side plot dealing with the T800s emotional and learning capacities due to continuity errors and "lore."

Terminator 2 is just a shitty kids film

well they never say T800 in any of the movies either, except maybe Genysis

>T1
>badass, gritty action movie
>T2
>fucking family fisher price disney movie for kids

Thats why T1 > T2

>There's nothing in the movies that says its a different model of Terminator

Wrong.

John: Do you even remember me? Sarah Connor? Blowing up Cyberdyne? "Hasta la vista, baby." Ring any bells?
T-850: That was a different T- .
John: What, do you come off an assembly line or something?
T-850: Exactly.
John: Oh, man. I'm gonna have to teach you everything all over again.

While the T-850 series number is from a novel, it is clear that this is a different Terminator. It can be assumed it has different programming due to the nature of his mission.

>T2
>fucking family fisher price disney movie for kids

In Paris New Balances are a new trend.
When I was 13 everyone was making fun of me for wearing those

Please tell me someone has the gif of anakin in the pod racer going ITS WORKING then cuts to Sarah blowing up

He's saying "I'm not the robot you met before" not "I'm a completely different type of robot"

In fact I'm sure he refers to both himself and the old one as T-101 in that scene.

Not even the first reason.

>T1
>Time itself is locked in a causality loop Skynet is not aware of. Time travel is possible, and can change the future, it just won't, because the future is already affected by the same act of time travel that it produces
>The world continues running after the loop is complete

>T2
>The future can be changed, and is changed, but apparently it doesn't change for the people who use time travel, otherwise it would be impossible for them to change the past multiple consecutive times as they did
>Skynet has to be aware of this
>Still fucking bothers with time travel

Also
>T1: Skynet is all but defeated
>T2: lol jk, you can't beat Skynet. Nah maybe you can
>T3: Psyche! Seriously though, you can't
>T:G Skynet is literally Doctor Who, can't be defeated in any way, can travel to any point in time, can't cause paradoxes that stop its own existence, but doesn't just leave humanity be or travel back to become Jesus, even though literally the only reason to wipe out humanity since the beginning was that "humanity is the only threat to its exitence" which we've established 2 movies ago isn't true because humanity can't destroy Skynet short of destroying the entirety of the Internet and all computers in existence, which let's be honest, we wont. All our porn is there

What I'm saying is that the T2 robot and T3 robot are different regardless of being the same or different series/model. Like two identical flash drives with different data inside of them. It makes sense that each would be programmed with different instruction sets for each mission.

He wore the sunglasses to fit in. Losing them further humanizes it, which is the opposite of the effect in the first movie.

I thought T2 was thematically richer to the point it transcended just being an amazing action movie with a fully realized character arc in Sarah, the humanization of a killing machine, and the challenging of fate. It works off the previous movie so well. I read someone call T1 a great genre film and T2 a great film, which is very agreeable.

T1
>Sarah is a typical damsel in distress who needs kyle to blow himself up to save her and only runs or hides the entire movie
T2
>sarah is a believable fit resourceful gun blasting mother hellbent on stopping the end of the world
This is why t2 > t1

they're both model 101, that's the outer skin, but the endoskeleton is either T-800 or T-850

"a great genre film" I read that kind of phrase a lot when talking about films. It's like being a genre film is detrimental in and of itself. Of course an obvious example we could go to would be comic book movies. At what point would it go from being "A good CBM" to simple "A good movie?" I hear it on podcasts a lot and it always bugs me, because being based on a comic somehow means it's an automatic detriment.

lel
I smell a redditor

Most of his new movies, and Hercules in New York. Hercules isn't even fun bad it's just bad

I'm trying to figure out what you mean by some of this, but you definitely have stuff wrong.

Skynet was first developed without the tech from the first Terminator, originally.

>T1: Skynet is all but defeated.
What? No. This is never implied. The movie ends with Sarah going into hiding in the mountains, because "there's a storm coming."

>T2: you can't beat Skynet
Again, never implied once. It's all about "no fate but what you make, etc."

>T3
Yes, T3, made by different people, fucked that up. It throws out the "no fate" and says Judgment Day is inevitable.

So we all agree T2 is Arnolds best film right?

>t1 has fully nudital sex scene
>tf2 has no nudity all

thats why
t1>t2

>watch T1 and T2 back to back and have a nice debate which one is better and what you prefer
>on Sup Forums

T1 is my favorite but T2 has this bad motherfucker
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I think about it in the sense that it reaches excellence in the confines of what its genre encapsulates rather than being a genre film is a detriment. If the latter was the case, I wouldn't be praising T2 like I did. People do of course look down on comic book movies in that way, though.

No he's right.

You are the reddit.

Swole as fuck Arnold before jaw surgery >>>>>>>>>> Jawlet Arnold

Seriously he never should have gotten that jaw correction it was a trademark like his accent

Its definitely up there.

>Predator
>True Lies
>Total Recall

It could be a number of his movies, honestly.

i know basically the whole plot of the movies but never saw them

should I watch T1 and T2 have they aged well?

Why is that why T2 > T1?
Sounds like it just happened to fulfill your personal preference.

>t1 has a fully nudital scene
>nudital
It only shows Sarah's tatas and Arnold's wang in shadow
>t2 has no nudity at all
It has Arnold's buttocks and what's his face's buttocks

that's not even the setpiece in the movie
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>I'm 12 and boobies mean the movie is good

the best* setpiece

T2 made no sense and was just a fun action popcorn flick. T1 is real deal (Alien), while T2 is mindless bad entertainment (Aliens).

>implying personal preference =/= undebatable factual evidence
I take it you haven't been here long

Maybe the sunglasses hide his unblinking mannequin sociopath eyes?

>What? No. This is never implied.
Watch the movie again.
It's literally spelled out when the police question Kyle Reese
He explictily states that the time travel was a last ditch effort by Skynet just before humantiy's final victory.

>Again, never implied once.
Didn't mean it literally there. Meant it more like "Hey, you know how Skynet was pretty much already defeated according to what Kyle said? Nope! It had a complete invasion force with which to overwhelm the human forces who only thought they won, which they didn't know about when they sent Kyle back."

>Yes, T3, made by different people, fucked that up. It throws out the "no fate" and says Judgment Day is inevitable.
Ironically, T3 makes the most sense out of all the sequels.
The idea that Skynet can't be defeated is the only logical conclusion after it's established that Skynet's creation was pushed forward to an age where the Internet is already a thing.

Also for the "what I mean by this" part, I'm assuming you mean my claim that T2 makes no sense, so let me reiterate:

>The friendly T-800 is sent back by John Connor
>The same John Connor who previously sent back Kyle
>Even though according to T2's interpretation on how time works, the future changes when you send someone back, he's still there to send the T-800 back too, so while sending Kyle back changed the past, he's in an alternate future now, one where HIS Kyle didn't go, but rather the previous John Connor's Kyle came to.
Basically, time travel creates a new timeline when you travel in time.
This means the future you send someone/something from doesn't change
This means Skynet has no reason to send back a single Terminator, because all it will ever accomplish is create an alternate timeline where an alternate Skynet may or may not stand better chances, which is entirely pointless, because Skynet is trying to maintain its own existence, and the only reason to alter a different universe, would be of sentimental reasons, which Skynet has not

New balance sneakers are IN though

Jesus fuck yes do it.

Yes.

Expendables 2.

>implying i wasnt 12 when movie came

yes nigger , i didnt watch it as 20 years old neet sorry for that.
,

The function of tear ducts isn't to leak all over your face when you're emotional. It's to moisturise your eyes. That's the function he has on record, and when they're leaking all over the place it's like when his oil is leaking or something. Because killer robots don't give a shit about knowing why people cry, only that fucking up their tear ducts might render their eyes dry and therefore a more viable target.

>implying this isn't /fa/ as fuck

>I still hold onto my 12 year old views.

Ok faggot

>He explictily states that the time travel was a last ditch effort by Skynet just before humantiy's final victory.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what you're thinking here. What is your point here?

>LOOK SKYNET I POSTED IT AGAIN

Okay, look at it this way:

>Skynet is losing bad.
>Kyle says that (as far as they know) Skynet is all but defeated, and just before they could have destroyed it completely (in fact as I recall, they did, only to find out it already sent back the Terminator)
This means the following
>Skynet wanted to save itself, so it sent back a Terminator
There are two scenarios as to what happened next, either T1's interpretation, or T2's:
>T1:
>Skynet didn't know, but the future it itself was from, was already a future created by the very act of time travel it committed just then, meaning everything played out like it has done every iteration of the timeline before, Kyle fucked John's mom, creating Skynet's greatest enemy, and leading to Skynet's destruction and last ditch effort to save itself (i.e. the same act of time travel again, and again, and again, and again as the loop goes on)

>T2:
>Skynet's Terminator goes back, Skynet (somehow) ends up in a better situation than it was in the timeline described by Kyle, OR Kyle was misinformed, and Skynet actually still had a considerable force Kyle and the others of his time didn't know about
>Skynet continues to wage war on humans
>Skynet does this, after having sent back a Terminator
>Skynet had to have noticed, that the timeline in which itself exists didn't change, meaning again, that Time Travel creates an alternate universe, meaning it's completely useless for Skynet's purposes
>For some reason Skynet still sends back another Terminator, even though it by this point has to be aware that it will not affect its own status whatsoever because of what I just say

Is it any clearer now?