As a Native American - Thanksgiving Day offends me, and offends my people...

As a Native American - Thanksgiving Day offends me, and offends my people. White America are celebrating the massacre of my people, and it's a disrespectful holiday that needs to end.

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Nobody cares red nigger

You lost the war, suck it up. Every nation celebrates major victories.

op is a red faggot

I gave thanks for smallpox.

This

0/10 bait

Kys or better yet let a white man do it for you (since you've heard about jesus you'll go to hell if you suicide, sucks i know, but that's how it works)

Should've fought harder you pussies.

you lost, get over it you faggot. You couldve banded together and pushed the early settlers into the Ocean, but instead you kept warring with each other, kept enslaving each other, kept raping each other as you had done for thousands of years without ever having invented a written language.

You got REKT by people entirely new to your continent

as a real actual federally recognized tribal member


no it doesnt offend anyone youre a moron.. we treat it like all modern americans treat it-- a time to get with family and celebrate life

you fucking suck op

Except it wasn't a war. It was a massacre. A superior people genociding a less advanced people. How is that something to be proud of?

At least you admit that white people are superior.

1. You're not Native American. 2. They celebrate thanksgiving too, no one turns down an excuse to eat. 3. Stop being a turd.

Here's a blanket. I'm sorry

Yknow a lot of us came here because we were massacred or enslaved in our homelands.

Most of us, too, are mutts of different cultures as our land was endless war rape and pillaging until we chilled out after world war ii.

The natives weren't peaceful hippy fags like nature documentaries say. You were equally savage and ruthless. A stronger enemy came. That's all.

This is how the human race works. This isn't a white controlling other races thing.

You had an excuse for awhile because we were being dicks, but now you have to just get a job and leave the reserve and you're good. But it's become so culturally concrete for you to complain and blame the white man for everything you do nothing productive. Welcome to the future.

I too have a lot of reparations and free shit I'd love to claim from the english for what they did to my white ancestors hundreds of years ago, But that's fucking silly.

Didn't white people lose a war to a bunch of slannty eyed farmers in the 60s? Also, aren't white people currently losing a war to a bunch of sand people in the Middle East? Also, aren't whites regularly cucked in America by blacks, and aren't China totally destroying white nations ATM? Yeah, whites really are superior.

you had North America some estimate for around 6000 years to yourselves

you never did SHIT with it. Copper, Iron, Gas, Gold. These things went dick all to you. Never invented a written language, never made homes more elaborate than a few pieces of driftwood strung together.

you failed, some civilizations just do that. Hey atleast we were kind conquerors and let some of you live

>celebrating the massacre of my people

You're confusing Thanksgiving for Columbus Day.

Historically the events surrounding the first few years of the Plymouth colony have not a goddamn thing to do with the native population.

If you're still thinking a bunch of pre-historic hunter/gatherers came and taught europeans how to farm you didn't take much time to think that modern fairytale through.

The pilgrims were filthy fucking socialist commune types when they first landed and no one wanted to work for free. So they starved. After four families completely died they moved to capitalistic private ownership and people worked and saved themselves entering into a new age of plenty.

Thanksgiving.

I like you, user.

The First People loved their land and fought to preserve it, not exploit and murder. Real people don't exploit and murder.

All American holidays are celebrated at the expense of massacring the indigenous. Americans should be apologising to Natives, not celebrating their overrated and false achievements.

I don't think anyone that celebrates thanksgiving associates it with the genocide of the native americans

Specially since there was never a genocide.

Fucking moron. i am part american indian and Thanksgiving has NOTHING to do with how we got screwed over!

Now come talk to me on "Columbus day"!!
The day he "discovered American where my people we're already living.

That's like driving to another town.. seeing a nice house with a nice big screen TV so you move in and run the owner out of it.
Now its "yours" and you "discovered" it!!

to make it worse you celebrate it every year in our faces.

>never a genocide
Hello denialist.

Maybe not intentionally, but the US gov't and citizens definitely wanted natives away from their borders, and their borders just happened to be everywhere the natives lived

your family survive thats must be something,
be grateful that God was merciful

It's funny cause until we're about 9 Thanksgiving is explained as celebrating the day the happy-go-lucky pilgrims had a feast as thanks to the native dudes for helping them out at some point for some unknown thing. And that's about the end of the explanation.

Then later, we all go home, where our families don't thank any native dudes, they thank the God of the Jews for giving us ur ancestors land and wiping out 99% of your societies.

And just like that, viola, God has blessed USA with our presence ever since. Don't you feel blessed, Native ppl, in your concentration camps?

USA USA. lol this countries mythology is so fucked up...

Under that theory, Christmas should be the holiday to celebrate exterminating the Jews, which didn't live here unless you believe in Mormonism.

Not agreeing with OP, but you 'Mericans most definitely genocided the Redskins, Indians, Braves, etc..

>indian 1: we First People loved our land and fought to preserve it, not exploit and murder. Real people don't exploit and murder.
>Indian 2: hey i just got back, the opposing tribes warriors just left to go and hunt, its time.
>Indian 1: there will be much rape and murder tonight. Lets go raiding boys!

Your inferior culture was destroyed and conquered by our superior culture. This isn't the first time this has happened, get over it.

I think the theory there was that america only exists because of the massacre of natives, so all holidays we celebrate are only possible here because of the massacre.

Not saying the argument is correct

Celebrating Christmas has no meaning. It's a commercial holiday and nothing more.

we both fought, one side won one side lost. Get over it, thats just how things went for the last 10,000 years of human history

dear OP:
youtube.com/watch?v=e7v0V58V3Uw

You might understand it better it you were a little more intelligent and didn't A) believe in fairy tales, B) perpetuate your own due to your inability to understand and/or study history.

Keep interneting and don't forget you still have school next week.

Your people shouldn't have given up your weapons, and trusted the government.

>apologising to Natives
The Natives that were to busy killing and raping each other to do anything useful with ~4 million square miles of land.

You're welcome.

How is that something to be proud of? Being proud that white settlers massacred an unadvanced race is like a grown man being proud that he beat a child in a fight. There's nothing to be proud of.

I understand your narrative.

It is you that needs to look up the definition of genocide and realize the targeted slaughter of a certain ethnic group is what occurred. A war ends in capitulation. Genocide ends in annihilation.

>It's your fault you got shot, you shouldn't have pissed off the nigger

Yea retard, because there were some warrior tribes in some places, all tribes were all warrior tribes all the time forever.

Fuckin dopes

Today, yes, that argument can be made. Originally however it was a mash-up of pagan beliefs to appease the masses so they'd join the flock.

They also took it from someone else anyway so they're no better than us. Furthermore, that we let them survive without enslaving them is rather progressive. They should be more grateful.

No

Over 90% of the dieing in north america happened from a disease that did most of its work before the colonizing began. We're talking 1500s here. That single report in one soldier's letter of blankets being handed out to natives didn't happen till the mid 1750s or 1730s I forget which. Further scientists now question if Small Pox can even be transmitted by blanket.

No one blames the mongols or peoples of central asia for the Black Death that killed off all those europeans but somehow we directly blame Europe for making contact with the humans in America and thus the mass die off that happened due to disease. If anything blame globalism.

As for actual, small scale acts of violence, that kind of thing happened on both sides. Enjoy your trip through the historical record. The body counts are actually quite low.

If the whites didn't conquer the Americas, the Americas would still be pre bronze age shitholes filled with dumb cherry niggers.

I'm proud that my race stands tall, we invented modern civilization, the world revolves around us, and we shape the world and everyone in it. Why wouldn't I be proud of such success? What do Natives have to be proud of? Being fat, unemployed and nearly extinct? Kek, how cute.

We finished off the rest of them though

No worries native Sup Forumsro. Everyone knew the moment he said "I'm offended"

Old world used to kill millions of people all the time. Sorry you've had to deal with it.

There are nearly more today than there was before the die off of the 1500s.

The US government in the early 19th century was trying to vaccinate the natives but they wouldn't fucking take it.

yes, and we didnt "annihilate" them. I just went to an Indian casino. They are alive and well.

we just crushed them into the dust and taught them that technology > numbers

they had a chance. They failed. They shouldve used North Americas resources to their advantage. Theres an excerpt by Charles Darwin

>Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.
His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”

replace black people with Natives and there you go. Outdone by white people when they owned the land for 6000 years. They should be ASHAMED

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Was it tie dying? Because that shit splatter of colour has more credibility than your 90% statistic (does your ass hurt from pulling such a large number out of it?)

To liken the Bubonic Plague to the transmission of smallpox in the Americas is absolutely ridiculous. I would say it shows that you have no grasp on either event.

The native population was driven further and further away from the lands that they traditionally enjoyed as their own, as well as being targeted for their land, they were often destroyed and scalped by American Colonial militia. Textbook genocide really. It sure doesn't fit with the popular mythos but America is such a young country, yet its history is predicated on violence since conception.

Yeah that's nonsense, there were millions of them. Also, the trail of tears is a big point for the genocide theory. Now we shove them on shitty reservations.

Our ancestors did fucked up shit to the natives and we still kinda do, but that isn't you or I's fault really. What are we supposed to do about it? But there is also no point in denying it happened

Sorry OP, but shit got too fucked up, and our public school "history" education remains unchanged since the 1800s, and to anyone who has studied history, is beyond apology, it's pure British Empire propaganda, kept in place by the unfortunate situation of the Texas School Board still determining what goes in our textbooks, combined with an utter lack of any other sources of information and an inherent disinterest & /or romanticism screwing up any ideas that may form.

As evidenced by this thread, we don't really know or care to know anything about the 37,000 year history of people on this continent, even if our own civilization is built literally and figuratively upon it.

We're a culture of self-interest.

point me to a country standing today that didnt have blood spilt on its behalf to exist today

>WAAAAH! WE LOST! GO AWAY WHITE MAN! BUT LEAVE ME MY FIREWATER!

Shouldn't have brought tomahawks to a musket fight.

Just wanted to tell all you folks in this thread happy thanksgiving and I hope everyone had a great day no matter what you decided to celebrate. This is my first time looking at this site

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You aren't at all responsible for that success. 1% of your county is responsible for that success, and that 1% couldn't give a shit about you. Also, you aren't at all responsible for the modern world.

I am a Native American, but I see no problem with Thanksgiving nor Columbus Day.

Because who actually celebrates Columbus Day and who actually cares about that on Thanksgiving? All they want is food!

If that is your history then it is mostly anti-western propaganda.

Pre contact population numbers are calculated using multiple sources including archaeological as well as mathematical for a hunter/gatherer society.

Most north american natives died off due to disease in the 1500s long before colonization began.

Both sides did shitty stuff

but to the victor goes the spoils and the right to write history in their version

maybe they shouldve stopped fighting each other for just one year and fought back. Instead they kept raiding and pillaging each other up until our smoke was seen on the horizon

they lost

Tyranny, fuck face.

Look it up.

This

Ignoring thousands of years of violence and suffering.. until the Europeans came to North America. Now its an issue.

>Blaming people who had never encountered a structured government of the kind Europe had for not immediately hating that government and knowing what could happen to them

so by that token every native person nowadays in a shitty husk of their ancestors. They drink, get drunk, pop out a few kids and either suicide or get shot up in a driveby on the reservation

bravo natives, you sure are showing us

Opening your mouth without even taking the time to look up what the fuck you're talking about, much less research it or be well-versed in it, makes you a fool.

Thanks for reinforcing the fucking stereotype of non-natives being completely misinformed idiots. Shit the fuck up and learn your country's history, you unappreciative jackwad.

you traitor !

Israel is around today too, and so are the Tutsis. This doesn't make them any less victims of genocide than your Indian casino folk. Your result of war argument is not valid. Several occasions took place where targeted groups of peaceful people were forcible resettled and/or murdered. It would be a bit of a stretch, but for the sake of argument, think Turkey a la the Armenians.

So you are trying to say a culture more advanced than another could and should commit atrocities? My god man.

Also, seems you seem so interested about the subject (sarcasm), you should read Guns, Germs, and Steel. It might broaden your horizons and when making an argument such as you are, not look like a total imbecile.

you snooze you lose kiddo. you had thousands of years to develop shit and yall did was eat bison and suck each others dicks under stick tents, im glad you guys got slaughtered.

>Yeah that's nonsense, there were millions of them.
Nothing I said in the above post was inaccurate. Feel free to check US census data on native populations and people claiming native heritage.

The Trail of Tears was just one act against one tribe. And no it wasn't kind, I'm not defending individual acts or moments in history. The conversation would devolve into a set of competing lists, which group did more bad stuff to the other group. And I really don't want to have that conversation.

white man are the disease in the american land
the natives cursed you with the earthquakes, huricanes tornados and cunamis

Enjoy your propaganda. There is nothing in what I said in those two lines that isn't mathematically accurate. 2010 census numbers on those claiming native heritage in the US nearly equals population estimates for the whole of North America before first contact and the epidemics in the 1500s.

No, retard. Read history. See the fucking death tolls reported by the pioneers moving into Indian territories. Even Lewis & Clark described the chaos and enormous deaths of entire bands in the die-off, leaving less than a percent surviving, to wander, and find another tribe, sometimes for refuge, sometimes to warn, only to spread it further. Just like it happened in Europe before, just like it happened all across the Americas and into Asia after.

Quit trying to fucking preach about shit you have no knowledge of.

Current native population according to 2010 census: ~5.2 million

Population of natives pre europe: estimated between 8 million and ~160 million

Even the lowest estimates are higher than today's population.

That isn't my argument. I have said that what american colonials did to the indians was genocide. I wasn't arguing that it didn't advance society or whatever you are on about.

I looked this up and referenced with multiple different sites. I think you're looking at a very biased source

welp, in the future try to not suck balls at fighting, and if you do, you either suck some dicks or you get fucked anyways.

I did say almost equal. Also 160 million is a super high estimate.

>Your result of war argument is not valid

it is. Due simply to the Israelis doing the exact same thing that happened to them to the native Arab populations. Those in power abuse those without.

>So you are trying to say a culture more advanced than another could and should commit atrocities? My god man.

yep. Its how we advance. One culture conquers another, absorbs tidbits of information and technology and then it is conquered too.

Human History is a bitch to the loser; but it is human history.

>read Guns, Germs, and Steel.

Been debunked a million fucking times, Jared Diamond is a fucking fraud

>Jared: THERE WERE NO DOCILE ANIMALS IN AFRICA! you CANT harness a zebra like you can a horse!


woops, pic related

5.2 million does not almost equal 8 million. And 8 million is the LOW estimate. It was probably somewhere between 8 and 160 million

Has nothing to do with eat or massacres. It's about giving thanks to native Americans. But you are a bait trolling ass anyway so. Bow down to Trump. Amen

You said before the 1500s die-off, not after, which would have been closer to it.

No ones made such a ridiculously out of whack claim in 75 years you tool.

>anti-western propaganda
made me lol
thank you, user.

If I give you a break and take your (imaginary) sources into consideration that a swath of the population were killed off pre-colonization, that still doesn't change the fact that what number was left were deliberately targeted, relocated and murdered (read: genocide).

Also, there is no way to get an accurate number on the population of North America, precontact and precolony. This is a debate that has gone on for years.

Blow me, plains nigger. The only thing that the Europeans did wrong was not eliminating you reds when they had the chance.

For one thing your 5 million number isn't right. It is higher. There's no way hunter gatherers could support 160 fucking million people. Each individual in such a society requires a Fuck Ton of land. Pop estimates between 8 and 12 million live in some realm of sanity.

red eyes many decent braves many war engines
red eyes for 10,000 years kill other red eyes,never build wood steel wigwams,never made fire from oil sitting under where the buffalo roamed ,never made steel from fire steam,red man never made eyeglasses,never
made glasses to look at tiny creek animals that sickened redman children,,red man never learned to steam water to kill animals that killed redman squaws and papooses.
some white eyes came many came for many moons, many many white eyes saw redman needed to learn white eyes ways.white man finally do big justice for redman in 1964,,chiefs where steam engines end in washington make big laws,protect redman, give redman many saloons and wired lands for buffalo and redman great grand papooses.

Fuck off and go back to your own country.

Were you trying to say something? I mean, I see your ad hominem here, but by no way are you refuting my claim (and truth) that the american colonials committed genocide against the native populations of what would be america. just as the spanish did south of the border (that's Mexico and South America if you are unaware of maps as you are history.)

>Even Lewis & Clark
lol
are you reading from their cross European tour and Asian vacation as well? is that where you are getting your information? Before arguing anything, pick up a fucking history textbook, and I don't mean what's in your backpack for socials 11 on Monday.

This is the only time in the last 1000 years where whites were forced to be nice to everyone because they are weaker, less intelligent and less productive.

White men have to be dragged down by other groups of people because they just cajt seem to get their shit together.

I am also speaking VERY generally there are obviously better and worse people from each race.

Also asians are second best

mm id say the last century.

Everyone is on catch up mode. We have the technology to GLASS Africa. I blame women weakening white men.

Citing genocide with another genocide doesn't make something valid. I am not talking about the Israelis perpetrating genocide, which I do believe they have become what they vilified.

I understand progression of the species but in no way is genocide is not advancement. Full stop.

Jared Diamond isn't the gospel, but his road map of European conquest has some pretty solid points.

ThanksGiving is a celebration of the unity between Native Americans prior to hostilities developing.

As a native american, i had turkey grilled over pecan charcoal, french bread dressing, sweet string beans, potato casserole, and pecan pie with ice cream.

Pretty awesome stuff.

Holy fuck I made no sense here.

First sentence, poor syntax, but it is understandable.

Second: I understand the violence and ruthlessness in the advancement of our species , but in no way is that an excuse for genocide. Further, killing a certain faction en masse is not advancement of our society, culture, or species.

And third, Jared Diamond, whatever.