So, anyway, an interpretation/performance can be very bad and simultaneously preferable to another one. If you had to spend the night in the wilderness with nothing but a shack and a bog nearby, naturally, everyone would pick the shack even though it's bad. The quality of the bog disqualifies it from the start, regardless of how close all of its quantitative parameters improve it, even up to the Platonic Bog, it's still a bog and thus unfit for Human dwelling. The shack is a bad choice but also the best choice.
I must confess that I don't know where to take this argument if one were to disagree. It would be akin to someone never having set foot inside a house of any kind, so much so that he would prefer the bog.
Which would make him a...
James Nelson
More like Op.38
Nolan Morris
Is Handel skippable?
Camden Lee
Delicious Rosen
Parker Hall
Unless you really enjoy operas and oratorios, yeah he's skippable. Don't let that awful patriciancore chart make you think otherwise; it still thinks Faust is at all relevant in today's musical context.
Jordan Sanchez
You have to listen to Water Music and Messiah at least
Anthony Murphy
There's a good amount of stuff on there that I actually enjoy on that chart though, figured I'd enjoy Handel too. But I'm a bit reluctant to into Operas.
Okay, I can deal with some suites, maybe not some an Opera yet.
Juan Cox
Guys from the last thread, when you're done wiping away the tears from your face - and that mud Jesus Christ - read this a few times while taking deep breaths, it's a valuable idea.
Dylan Carter
It depends. Are you a philistine who knows nothing about the craft behind every piece of music? Skip him, he will be boring.
If you instead know anything about theory and composition listen to him, you will quickly find out that he was a genius. Always remember that he was Beethoven's favourite composer.
Carson Ross
His operas and oratorios are good but they can be rather samey and repetitive, including self-plagiarisation. If you want to get in to his vocal music a good place is his cantatas, some of the best. His keyboard music, and various sonatas are also pretty great.
Charles Smith
When did you realize that CLTs entire plan has been to make everyone but Schubert look like shit by recommending trash recordings?
Camden Ward
>Self-plagiarisation who cares about stuff like this?
Brayden Johnson
Definitely not the Germans.
Andrew Nelson
When did you realize how based Haydn was?
Jackson Rogers
...
Gavin Sanchez
When I listened to his Sunrise quartet. Also when I listened to his late sonatas.
I support his plan.
Ian Martinez
The craft behind music is irrelevant.
Jackson Ward
Op. 3 by Faust is really good.
Isaiah Martin
Maybe for you, plebe.
Lincoln Fisher
I'm laughing at your ignorance.
Gabriel Williams
>i shit on your floor after eating beans >i shit on your floor after eating peanuts >these are two different things
Connor Hill
Agreed. Musical message and feeling is the sole grading basis for any piece of music. This is why contemporary music has failed.
No. Contemporary music failed because it went too far the other way, to the point where it became almost exclusively about craft. Craft is very important, though, and in no way "irrelevant."
It's about a careful balance between the musical message/feeling and craft. The extremes of either spectrum are a negative thing.
>Sonata 15 is famous for one of its themes, which matches the theme of Paganini's Caprice No. 24 almost exactly; it is possible that Paganini was inspired by Biber, just as Franz Liszt, Johannes Brahms and Sergei Rachmaninoff were later inspired by Paganini's Caprice. Where? I listened to the whole thing I didn't hear it anywhere. youtube.com/watch?v=htdzq63dPAs
Levi Ward
Is this recording available anywhere in high quality?
Michael Cook
I believe, pic related is the same conductor & orchestra recorded in 2012, but the performance In the video is from last year so there could have been some major changes in the latter, but from what I've heard the former is still a fantastic recording of Nos. 5 & 7.
Jordan Miller
The fact that someone would ask such a question proves that Handel is underrated.
to all you Handel-Haters out there... Suck on my baby-nub... Can you be any more obvious? "I don't like Handel" "I Don't like him." Handel was certainly no Bach of course, but Bach could never write a stupid-little-Gigue like like Handel that makes you thump your foot like an imbecile... The Messiah is good asshole. There is no way around that fact... Is Handel too simple for you? Theres that qoute by Butler, right, that Handel is so good and so simple that only a musician can't understand him... Pop in the anything by thefat-pig , and unless your a sack-less bitch... A stupid bitch bitch... A weakling cunt whore bitch... With stupid pretty-hands... WHo smells good... You'll fucking appreciate it... It takes a tiny, tiny bit of transcending temporal limitations (i.e. Black metal, Punk Rock = Zadok the Priest, Since by Man came death, ect. ect. But seriously... Seriously... Clip one. Just clip one you sad clown, if you can't dig-out to Handel. Beethoven, who I'm sure YOU love, Loved handel. So take his word for it, because I know your not stupid enough to think your smarter than Beethoven. Or that your subjective opinion shouldn't automatically change when it conflicts with his.
Jack Reed
fat people can't make good music user, his portraits where incredibly forgiving. Could he even stand to conduct?
Brody Reed
>you won't ever marry young Martha Argherich >she won't ever give you extremely useful secret tips to improve your piano playing >sweaty Martha won't ever cuddle with you after an exhausting concert
why live?
Isaac Robinson
>hating on Handel >not trusting based Beethoven, who thought that Handel was the best composer in the Western canon
you guys suck
Nathan Evans
get. a. girlfriend.
Josiah Morgan
lol what a retarded opinion. beethoven is obviously the greatest composer
Logan Reed
I hate to make /classical/ waifu, but it's a slow thread.
Martha Argherich and Anne-Sophie Mutter are truly gorgeous specimens, and both execellent players.
Oliver Williams
>"B-but Beethoven liked him"
not an argument
Josiah Murphy
You literally have no reason not to trust Beethoven. I'm 100% sure you haven't studied any Handel score: you're the one that is not following the principle of charity here.
>"Handel is the greatest composer who ever lived. I would uncover my head and kneel down at his tomb"
Joshua Morgan
pzeztzozlzdz
Xavier Jones
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Owen Harris
sucx
Evan Rodriguez
>downloading complete collections of the great composer
Why would you care about every commercial Beethoven early lieder, every shit minor Bach Cantata, every repetitive Mozart menuet? They were consistent, but not so much to justify listening to literally everything they've ever composed.
Aiden Lee
pastorale p a s t o r a l e p a z t o d a l d p a t z o l d l d p a t z o l d l p e t z o l d
Alexander Sanchez
Post your favourite sacred text. I'll start: Infelix Ego (best setting by Lassus). Meditations on the Miserere by Girolamo Savonarola shortly before being executed.
"Where shall I go? Where shall I turn? To whom shall I fly? Who will take pity on me? To heaven I dare not lift my eyes"
Very powerful sentiments in that one, unfortunately it's not on youtube.
Is Lassus as close as we've got to the music of Heaven? Lassus made me turn Christian.
Benjamin Bell
When the angels play for God, they play Bach. But when they play for themselves, they play Mozart. -- Karl Barth
Owen Reyes
There was a Lassus duet at church tonight, coincidentally.
Isaiah Nguyen
He's pretty good. Palestrina and Morales are just as good if not better imo
Parker Harris
Can /classical/ even name 5 (FIVE) contemporary composers that they like?
Ryder Richardson
Penderecki, Part, Reich, Glass, Adams
Levi Gray
Is there a chart for classical music plebs like me?
Andrew Robinson
Me, myself, I, je, yo
Gabriel Kelly
I've been wanting to get into classical for a while now. Can somebody recommend me just one opera or symphony or whatever to listen to, just to get my feet wet?
Every beginner's list I see includes a ton of things and I have no clue where to begin.
