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Grammatical Cases edition

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Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_language
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_language
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_noun_cases
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikael_Agricola
pastebin.com/i8KSkm4i
pastebin.com/ADXBtcAA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_languages#Noun_class
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_grammar#Noun_inflection
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_grammar#Nouns
sn.dk/Naestved/Angrebet-med-billardkugle-betjent-langtidssygemeldt/artikel/635143
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that's a lot of cases

>18 cases
What the fuck

>crammatical cases

WW

actually finnougrics use agglutinative postpositions but nice try

What three cases we are missing?

Non-Indo-European pride worldwide

I truly pity people who don't have an autistic language.

>Sisä- ja ulkosijojen lisäksi unkarissa on kolme superpositiosijaa, jotka ilmaisevat jonkin päällä olemista, sieltä lähtemistä tai sinne saapumista.

This. Why do they even stop on these numbers? I'm sure there's a lot more postpositions than 15 in Finnish.

Those hungarian postpositions developed into cases.

t. person with a Hungarian finno-ugric doctorate student friend

She also said it's often said that there are 24 cases in Hungarian but it's not really true.
Also in some languages it depends how many cases are depending on the dialect.

But what's the difference between cases and postpositions in Finno-Ugric langs? In IE languages we have 8 cases maximum, but they require you to memorize tons of different endings and remember the declension pattern for every noun so you can speak correctly.

>grammatical cases

what is it

they show the subject, direct object, indirect object and possession mostly but can show other things depending on the language

The "s" in Anna's apple.

C'est qqch que qq langues utilisent au leiu de par, de, à, avec, dans, chez à la fin des mots

house - talo
in a house - talossa
on a house - talolla
from a house - talosta
to a house - taloon
etc.

then you can go crazy with them like

in my house? - talossanikohan?
on his house - talollaan

>C'est qqch
>qq
>leiu
quelque chose*
quelque*
lieu*
> par, de, à, avec, dans, chez
Le mot générique, c'est prépositions

>his language doesn't have 5 grammatical genders

Is eperanto just a meme language or can it actually be taken seriously?

meme

If you are monolingual, not a meme, if you aren't, its a meme

Everyone post your daily routine. The stuff you force yourself to do every day, and the mouse casual things

No constructed language is a real language.

>18
fuck, i can barely use 4

Not buy a rope at the grocery store

Yea its pretty gay but usually its just:
I went on the house - A házRA mentem
I went in the house - A házBA mentem

Mostly just replacing english prepositions, though there are some difficult ones

Can someone give me like a list of how to fucking learn a language

I've tried so many times but I never get anywhere.

discipline

1. LEARN WORDS
2. SPEAK
3. LEARN GRAMMAR
4. LISTEN TO MUSIC, WATCH SHOWS AND MOVIES
5. USE THE LANGUAGE EVERYDAY

but like What resources to use, do i use duolingo/memrise, do i use books, what type of books, should i use something more than another thing, etc.

I'd just like someone to say learn this using these resources this much a day and learn something else with other resources for this much a day.

just plainly spell everything out for me.

At least one pimsleur lesson.

Don't listen to this guy. Forget about the grammar. Remember, you were not taught grammar as a kid.

1. Get a duolinuo app
2. Get a memrise app.
3. Get yourself pimsleur or the Michel Thomas.
4. Put in it 3-4 hours a day, find a quiet place where you won't be bothered by anyone to stay concentrated. If you feel lazy, one day, remember that it's better to spend 10 min on a language than not spend at all.
May I ask what language you're interested in?

are we western yet

Undoubtably

>falling for the duolingo meme
Also you're probably a filthy millennial

>Forget about the grammar. Remember, you were not taught grammar as a kid.
Picking up grammar is much easier as a child though.

>talossanikohan?
ois "I wonder if in my house".

Juoksentelisinkohankaan?

>in my house? - talossanikohan?
>on his house - talollaan

Does someone have experience with learning a regional minority language? I really want to learn Low German like my ancestors spoke it.
Sort of
eh really do you?

You don't have to learn a language just stick with english like a good boy

>Remember, you were not taught grammar as a kid.
False.

What are some solid single player (maybe open world?) games with decent French voice acting? Besides the Bethesda ones
I've been told blizzard has good French translations but it seems kinda silly to play overwatch with French voice acting but all my teammates are speaking English

I wonder if I should run around aimlessly after all?

don't talk shit about duolingo

Analytic>Synthetic tbhwy

why

it's not better than hypersynthetic though

What are those?

This is 100% right way to learn to not speak a language the right way.
Listen to this guy instead.
You can do duolingo and other such apps but you absolutely need to learn grammar even if the language you are learning belongs to a language group of your own.
If you have a way to speak and not just listen to natives do that as often as possible. Say they can correct you if you make mistakes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_language
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_language

His language doesn't have all of these sexy cases

>nominatiivi, akkusatiivi, genetiivi, partitiivi, essiivi, translatiivi, inessiivi, illatiivi, elatiivi, adessiivi, allatiivi, ablatiivi, abessiivi, instruktiivi ja komitatiivi.


Like, are you even a real language?

Are there native names for those cases, or are the only names from western grammar stuff?

Those are the native names of them.

>language has no way of describing itself so it has to use latinate loan-words
wew

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_noun_cases

>language has no way of describing itself so it has to use latinate loan-words
Well our language hasn't had a written form for that long.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikael_Agricola

nominativ, genitiv, dativ, akuzativ, vokativ, lokativ, instrumental

I want to learn German. Where do I start desu

>STEM fag
>bilingual
>want to speak fluently in 2-3 years

Is learning Russian worth it if I'm black?

chilei vagyok

if you're interested in it yeah.

Even if its only real use will be reading literature (since most Russians will act weirdly towards me, if not discriminate against me)?

Yeah dude. Plenty of people learn languages solely to read literature in the original language.

You speak English even though most Americans act weirdly towards you, if not discriminate against you.

>6

We used to have more cases in the past.

Wrong

some chanlangs
> kekkish
pastebin.com/i8KSkm4i
> nuchnat
pastebin.com/ADXBtcAA

ido is like esperanto but not ugly

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_languages#Noun_class
>his language doesn't have 18

>having genders

Learn Dutch. It's a far nicer language, and you'll be able to understand German as a bonus

This is not a bully thread

this also applies to the rest that I forgot to reply to

but why, hungary?

yo termine duolingo espana este semana, me preguntas algo

I bought a textbook for learning russian. IMO, the way to go. Don't listen to the boer duolingo and memerise are just accesories. I like duolingo for just dipping my toes in a topic before I go into the textbook for it, memerise to work in a few words every now and then.

Grammar is important.

I find it interesting that German is the only germanic language with cases. Can anyone explain why that is?

Actually it isn't

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_grammar#Noun_inflection
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_grammar#Nouns

M8s I'm thinking about starting starting one of these languages:
-German
-Italian
-Japanese
-Latin
Any advice? Are there any nasty surprises in the German language? Is Latin a meme? Is Italian worth it for something besides cultural enrichment?

Italian would be the easiest, as I suppose you already know Spanish.

>German
Meh, most of them know english. The case system and the 3 noun genders are pretty annoying. The vocab is also quite different. Second best choice

>Latin
Why? Its cringy to say that you learnt it, noone speaks it, and you already know spanish so it wont help you too much with other romance languages. 3rd best choice

>Weeabo lang
No. Its the most difficult language in the world, population declining, they speak english already, not worth it. Worst choice

Just do portugese, that would be the most beneficial and you could speak with your brasilian bffs

If you are just doing it for fun then try listening how these languages sound like and pick the one you'd like.I would go for German or Japanese (and maybe Latin too?) if it was up to me since those are languages not really close to your native tongue so you'd have more challenges thus more satisfying to learn in the end but that's just me lmao.

Standard German is, first and foremost, an artificial literary language whose creators over the centuries tried to keep as many anachronistic or outdated features of the language as possible. The Slavic languages retained most of the original PIE cases, and Proto-Germanic also retained quite a few. But over the past 1000 or 2000 years, cases started disappearing in most Germanic languages. This is also true for the Continental West Germanic Dialect continuum. Most dialects merged the accusative and dative cases or sometimes even swapped them (Berlin dialect). But they were deliberately kept in the literary language, because you could express a wider variety of thoughts more precisely with them, and writers tend to wank over that.
Only in the past 100 to 150 years has Standard German turned into a spoken language and increased in popularity, re-introducing the 4-case system that had been reduced to 3 or 2 cases in most dialects back into popular speech.

Can someone redpill me on the difficulty of learning Finnish? I've already learned two languages and now progressing on my fourth in total, and I'm thinking about taking Finnish up next because I fucking love how it sounds and I need to stop myself from literally memeing myself to fluency in 5 (FIVE) romance languages

Send help

Mudate a Mexico.

>they speak english already
they really don't

>Be Norwegian/Swede/D*ne
>Get a pen and paper
>Write something down in Norwegian/Swedish/D*nish
>Finish writing
>Attempt to read it
>Don't understand it
>It's too old, your language already """""evolved""""

>thought I was the only one.

It's pretty easy once you get the hand of it.
Just memorize the cases and expand your vocabulary. Finnish is pretty loose grammatically.

>Olen Suomalainen
t. learner

Go away you fucking faggot.

Down with D*nmark! RESIST D*nish imperialism! Smash the fascist D*nish colonial Empire! Free Greenland and the Faroe Islands!

sn.dk/Naestved/Angrebet-med-billardkugle-betjent-langtidssygemeldt/artikel/635143

“Whether the mask is labeled fascism, democracy, or dictatorship of the proletariat, our great adversary remains the apparatus—the bureaucracy, the police, the military. Not the one facing us across the frontier of the battle lines, which is not so much our enemy as our brothers' enemy, but the one that calls itself our protector and makes us its slaves. No matter what the circumstances, the worst betrayal will always be to subordinate ourselves to this apparatus and to trample underfoot, in its service, all human values in ourselves and in others.”
― Simone Weil

This thread is for language learning you fucking turboautist. I see you do this kind of shit all the time.
You can shitpost here if you're really that spiteful.

>be Icelandese
>use an app in order not to accidentally inbreed
>have inbred language
>have inbred parents
>be inbred yourself
>language didn't evolve or change in the last 1000 years
>call a computer a calculating witch
>burn it

sæll. getur þú mæla með íslenskum tónlist handa nemanda af íslensku?

>German """"""""""""""""""""""""""humour""""""""""""""""""""""""""

goethe-verlag.com

found this while looking for bengali speech examples, there's a shitload of uncommon languages here with actual native voice clips. outside of the big world languages i've found a severe lack of material with actual voice clips for honing pronunciation so perhaps some of you guys will find this useful

:D xd

>Its the most difficult language in the world
>They speak english already
That's a no

>mfw I see all the free content
Thanks for sharing bro this site is really helpful.

>if it weren't for the educational system, German would have an English-tier grammar today

>they speak english already
wew lad