Should the government have the right to tax?

Should the government have the right to tax?

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should you have the right to:
>good roads
>social programs
>garbage collection services
>safe neighbourhoods
>a job where laws protect you from being enslaved
>etc

if yes then yes, they do have the right to tax
>to pay for this

INB4 libtards thinking money comes from nowhere

its the conservitards that hate taxes

And inb4 conservatives thinking they live in a vacuum where it's them and their money and no one else exists

"Self-sufficient" is a misnomer we all need social services and roads and subsidized healthcare

rights don't exist, fgt

No taxation without representation.
But yes there should be taxes. I like roads and streetlights and fire hydrants and shit.

yes they do, but the liberals think that they can have all the god damn programs and services they want and not have to figure out where all the money comes from.

its always the liberals calling for tax breaks for everyone under the sun as well

well you enjoy all the roads, education and shit don't you?

my understading is that you right wingers are pathologically afraid of rasing taxes and this is a common political platform in the USA.

Am i wrong in assuming you're the dumb fuck here?

Go fuck yourself you fucking NEET. One day, people that actually work will abandon your sorry, then you will starve

we should tax people more (based on income) so members of our society can have access to catastrophic health insurance.

anyone with me?

>i make 70k a year. single. no kids. etc.

>homeschool political science at work

jesus christ

conservitards love taxes just as much as libtards do.. as long as it funds what they want.

its libertarians that hate taxes.

Roads and Education account for about 5% of total spending

yes and no. Im a conservative and I still do believe that taxes are necessary but should only be collected and used for the bare minimum services to keep a nation going (roads, emergency services, medical and support for the ACTUALLY disabled to name just a few.

but to a great extent self sufficiency should be preached way more. no more of this what can the government do for me shit. get to a what can I do for me mindset

kek. libertarians dont want to live in somalia.

weird...

see
this is me

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> but should only be collected and used for the bare minimum services to keep a nation going

so the problem is we dont agree on what it should be spent on?

Great!. Let us argue some more.

libertarianism =/= failed state.

your straw man is hilarious.

Nope, we should ditch progressive tax rates and make everyone pay a flat percentage of their income.

as long as the tax moneys doesnt go to some useless welfare leech's shrimp dinners or there hospital bills

not that guy but can you give me a quick rundown of what libertarianism is? to me it seems almost like anarchism

if there's a boat thats sinking into acid, and the boat has 5 people in it, but one of them is a child rapist, and you cant rescue any other other ones without rescuing him too... do you let the boat sink? or rescue all of them.

>no technicalities. just a scenario 1 or 2 answer please.

>so the problem is we dont agree on what it should be spent on?

NOW your getting it. its not that any one side hates taxes (unless they have to pay them), but that both sides cant agree on how to use them.

its called "google".. use it.
dont come in here asking for basic definitions, you look like an inept retard in the process.

Libertarians: Noun

People who think infrastructure is a naturally occurring phenomenon

People born on third base who think they deserve credit for hitting a triple.

not everyone who has used welfare was a leech. also we should have nationalized healthcare

>your straw man is hilarious.

Sup Forums detected.

>muh charts.
>muh pepes.
>look at this graph i made that supports my biased opinions.
>kek.

google brought me here

an ideology for people with the social and reasoning skills of children, as it can more or less be summed up by the phrase "I don't wanna share!"

rescue them all. its the lesser of the 2 evils. he can be dealt with at a later date.

i have never been to Sup Forums, but you sure seem to know alot about it.

Ask Canada how their nationalized healthcare is...

it does and yeah article of confederation showed it should

I've tried to figure out what OP's image is, then I looked at the upper right corner and realized it's an eye. Creepy as fuck, especially from an herbivore.
On topic, yes, the US government should have the right to tax. Giving representatives power doesn't just mean voting them into office; it's giving them responsibilities no corporation wants to handle. Those responsibilities collectively require a preposterous amount of money, and the economic returns on most projects stretch deep into the future. Neither of these are favorable for private corporations, but they are what make a constitutional republic like ours relevant.

he's avoiding your question.

the only reasons libertarians can have such stupid expectations of human nature is because they live in civilized societies.

seriously, they are too stupid and blind out of some idealistic human perception.

>pragmatism ftw.

last i checked, its either the elderly or children who are beneficiaries of welfare. most working age people are on it for 2-3 years at most.

but Reagan invented the idea of the welfare queen, and like a lot of other shit he did, we're still dealing with the consequences

but we're better than canada

>rescue them all. its the lesser of the 2 evils. he can be dealt with at a later date.

then why cant you fags understand that there's always going to be shit and lazy people?

we need to focus on the needs of the society that works and maintains the nation, even if we rescue the lazy fags sometimes.

universal healthcare for all. paid for by taxes.

>but you sure seem to know alot about it.

they are the cancer of Sup Forums and the human brain. of course i know about them. they spread their stupid ideas like wildfire.

canada fag here. its cheap but not the greatest. that being said when my wife was in the hospital for 3 days I didnt have to worry even once about bills or weather my insurance was gonna "drop coverage".

its a misunderstanding that its free though. we all pay into it through either a tax on income or a premium system. and because we all pay into it and the government regulates the prices we all end up paying less.

it's fine for emergencies and essential treatment. if you want anything elective, it'll be a few months if you can't afford to pay out of pocket. the rich ones just go into the US for elective stuff


But you should tell me more about the great american system of healthcare, which as i understand it primarily works on the principle of "Your money or your life", or in some cases "Your money AND your life"

>inb4 muh rationing

healthcare is rationed no matter where you are. americans just ration it by the system of "can you afford not to die?"

Not that guy, but I'm Canadian. Healthcare here has its ups and downs. Wait times are a bitch, but at least I won't go bankrupt if I break my leg.

Kek, yeah keep telling yourself that.

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Yes. Without taxation of some sort you really can't have a modern nation.

The right? No. The need? Maybe. Depends. I would rather the biggest government that any individual has to face should be his or her state and that's it. Also, the fuck is this picture? Is it real?

>its a misunderstanding that its free though

its not a misunderstanding. people here actively and consciously spread misinformation about it for political gain. if you havent noticed, half of our country is literally retarded.

not even making that shit up, go to mid-america and talk to the average human being living there. they are so under-educated and stupid, and they feel proud of it.

they are a self-validating-cliche.

Yeah jus like your pimp daddy taxes u every time u take black dick us the ass

Kentucky sets up the best example of the ACA.

People vote for a governor who explicitly says he'll dismantle it

People vote for a president who explicitly says he'll get rid of it nationwide.

Now the dumb shits are concerned about their medicare going away.

your previous question failed to illustrate your point. society does not need to save the lazy, the criminal or the "shit".

help those whom cannot help themselves. leave all others to help themselves. THAT is how a proper society should work

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your actually completely right, if i had a loonie for every time ive had to explain to canadians around here the difference between a free healthcare system and a nationalized system i would be rich

Saudi Arabia doesn't tax its citizens, everything is paid for by oil money.

It's an utter shitshow. Because the government isn't beholden to taxpayers, there is no accountability. likewise regular citizens don't feel invested in anything the country does, because it goes on with or without them.

they're going to be doubly fucked when the oil runs out or becomes so cheaply priced due to renewables expanding.

Refer to On that, what I meant by those things "making the constitutional republic relevant" is that it ultimately binds the power of the government to the will of the people. The people, the American citizens, ask for those ridiculously expensive projects with equally ridiculous utilization time frames to be done.

shit bro. conversation is over. i can tell you are like a fundamentalis right wing idealist who wont budge an inch even if it meant benefitting most of society.

ideals before practicality? shit man, you're out of your fucking mind.

you are a mental degenerate. seek help. you are a danger to human progress.

im assuming this is because they dont make the link between health care and their diabeetus medications prices

Of course government has to tax. How else will it function? There can never be a perfect system of government in a society with more than 200 or so people

careful special snowflake or you'll melt in all the butthurt

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no. they don't

these are the kinds of people who say shit like "Keep your government hands off my social security"

these are the kinds of people who think coal jobs will magically reappear.

>714380150
do liberals really think roads and schools cost 50% or more of tax income?

lol

do conservatives really think we need a bloated military budget to keep the angry foreigners away?

>careful special snowflake

not oven close faggot. my values probably overlap a lot with yours. ( i hate some feminists IDEALS) but i dont staunchly attach myself to stupid values that no longer hold any practical use in society.

i change as circustances require. you strike me as the type who wants everything to stay the same, because your mental comfort is paramount to all.

fuck you. eat shit and die you mental fossil.

>practicality
you need to learn what this word means
>progress.
also maybe go ahead and look up some history books and find out how we have made progress over the millennia.

spoiler/EVERYONE WORKED HARD OR WERE CAST OUT/spoiler

>16% military, lol

pretty misleading info there

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>"Keep your government hands off my social security"

i aint lying. when i first heard that shit i raged to the point of wanting to bash their heads in.

its absolute insanity.

governments have the right to take your rights if they wanted to so just be happy you can speak your mind

>you need to learn what this word means

i know what it means. you just dont like its application cause "muh ideals".

like i said: you are mental cancer.

your stupid semantic games wont work on me.

some conservacucks still think he was their best president ever

4 me this great guy was the best one

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there are no great presidents. just good ideas, and bad ones.

i respect good ideas. and the good reasons for them.

fuck idealizing men.

You mad sjw?

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uhhhh yeah

Regan wasn't the best but he was better an any we've had since.

The Saudis are working hard to diversify their economy.

They aren't stupid. They know the fossil fuel era is coming to an end, and they know how much oil they got left. Thats why the price of oil is so low; the Saudis are trying to sell their reserve while they still can.

>your stupid semantic games wont work on me.
its called logic mate.

you know we can amend the constitution to add healthcare as a right

this depends on your constitution, here in Canada, healthcare is in the constitution.

>waaah waaaah waaaaah
Tldr

thats all you stupid fucks know how to spew. same old tired words over and over.

cant blame you though. if i was mentally handicapped by nature, and born stupid like you, i probably wouldnt have blame in it.

still though, you guys really are a fucking drag on the smart people of the planet. we cant move forward in any meaningful way because you guys are so attached to emotions, you cant even try to use that shit you call brains in your heads.

die. please. do the world a favor.

Pretty misleading yourself. Way to only look at the discretionary budget.

>democrats balance budgets
>republicans can't control their outrageous spending
>but it's liberals that can't into money
Nigga u dumb

I general believe that government is probably the worse way to get nearly ANYTHING done, and that the smaller the system the better the job, within reason. Since damn near everything here in America that's paid for the government is a shit show. I think it could be better if it was handled state to state, but I'm a high school drop out So I'm making an uninformed assement.

I don't think you should have the right to most of that, it should be something that is voluntary. Private roads, private employment insurance, private garbage collection, private security

healthcare is not a free enterprise in the US you child, its very socialist.

Healthcare interests paid the majority of the obama campaign, hence why we are now FORCED to buy their product whether we like it or be fined.

When lawmakers and businesses conspire to raise prices its no longer capitalism you stupid fucking twat.

you want to hate obamacare (which i'm for) but you're too dumb to know hwy and you hurt the cause you support.

...just because the government runs social security doesn't mean it's theirs. It's our money. We put it into social security for one reason. The government should only be using for that reason. Instead, they grab from it for whatever the issue of the week is. The fact that social security is as gutted as it is, is an extremely serious problem.

socialism as a concept didn't really exist until Marx and Engels.

but i like how you think a picture drawn to look like old parchment somehow lends credibility to any of that.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society - Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

16th Amendment of that very same Constitution says income taxes are fine.

That's not feasible. At all. It would be chaos and anyone who doesn't realize that is either an edgy teenager or a complete fucking retard.

being this mad. ON Sup Forums.

seriously though if you actually worked a decent job, paying tax and the government came along and took your money you worked hard for to pay for some crackheads welfare so he could buy more crack, then OD and wind up in hospital where the government takes MORE or your tax dollars to pay for his medical so he can go back out onto the street to collect more welfare and start the whole process over again then maybe you would feel differently

ITT

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Idiot.

they dont balance budgets they sell off assets at the last moment before the budget is released to it looks balanced.

if we look at Canada, liberals are currently running a 50 billion deficit and counting whereas the conservatives had the deficit hacked back to a few million

except its not really working

the only thing in Saudi that functions remotely well is the national oil company Aramco, and thats mostly because it started out as an American firm.

climate change will probably make that entire region unlivable anyway. I kind of look forward to that.

Shutup cuck

also obamacare is a penalty not a "Tax". It was originally ruled unconstitutional but this technicality made it go into effect. it was also passed Christmas eve so most of those old fucks didn't read it.

does it scare you how little you remember? because it scares me

Ideas like this have been proven not to work. In it is what gets rid of the middle class. Private roads are a good example. Imagine your neighborhood pool together and you get screwed. If you are in a lower social level there is a good chance the company will be able to afford to stretch out the trail time until you guys run out of money.
Next time you could go to the other guys right? Well they were all bought out by the largest one because they wanted a monopoly and the socialist anti-monopoly law was struck down for being socialist.

Imagine every business in the world trying to screw you. That is life. The little guy doesn't win off of being right, no one works for free.