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musicians you have completely given up on

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Kanye is not a musician

I think he's legitimately ill and gone from us Brian Wilson/Syd Barrett style

He makes music. You may not like it but he's definitively a musician.

Young Thug/21 Savage.

Issa is never coming out and we'll be stuck for eternity listening to snippets

beyonce is also a musician by your logic

she is

A musician is someone who plays an instrument. If you don't even know the definition of a musician then I really don't know what you are doing here.

Fuck off dad

Also:
playing with computer sounds isn't a instrument and therefore not music

playing an instrument poorly isn't music

playing an instrument slowly isn't music unless it's good

Had you said "artists who you have given up on" that would have been fine. But Kanye West is not a musician. You wouldn't call Lil Wayne a guitarist

I mean, I needed a pop savior, and I thought it was her... fuck

His youtube videos are mildly entertaining, but I don't expect him to release a decent album ever again.

A musician is someone who plays an instrument. If you don't even know the definition of a musician then I really don't know what you are doing here.

Also:
playing with computer sounds isn't a instrument and therefore not music

playing an instrument poorly isn't music

playing an instrument slowly isn't music unless it's good

This fucker is just sad. A moon shape pool, more like a moon shaped stool

i cant believe you'd run around and dessert him!

I am baffled at the people who find TLOP """deep"""

his last 2 albums were kind of lifeless. Id like to see him make a comeback, but i doubt he'd be able to recover

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rip

well first you have to make music child .
pic related cant into music.
a fake market made that thing.

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Fuck off with this autism

good one

More like a moon shaped grave for my dead wife

he writes music you stupid faggot

See you next album release, dumb dumb.

I feel like "A Moon Shaped Drool" would be another reasonable pun seeing how some people found it boring.

I loved it though.

>Kanye is not a musician

This. Calling samplers "musicians" is like calling a "pro" DOTA player an athlete.

And Kanye outsources production these days anyway. He's a glorified general manager.

>the voice isn't an instrument

>the voice isn't an instrument

Okay. I buy that.

But if he autotunes excessively to stay in pitch...

(Yes, I know Kanye does it for aesthetic effect).

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musician or not, he's a fucking hack. the only reason why people worship him is because of that p4k said he's good.

Sorry oldies, the definition isn't solid anymore.

lol, have you heard his first two albums?

Although, I do think that he's a hack now.

i haven't listened to any of his albums in full. but i've heard several songs from each one. never heard anything other than ignorant, self-assured, ego-fueled dreck

Kanye is not nor has he ever been a musician.

>implying

"le wrong generation"-tier b8

I hate to admit this but Bjork.

I just have'nt really liked much she's done since Vespertine. Vulnicura was so bleak.

when you can't tell if hey are autistic or making fun of the autistism

He autotunes it to go out of pitch.

but if you wanna keep repeating what other people have told you without understanding then thats your choice

>to go out of pitch.
you're an idiot

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Björk's sound will always be bounded to the 90's. Her vocal delivery just works really well with those ambient-ish trip hop beats in the background.

He plays the MPC

He's right though.a simple google search of the term can help you realise just how fucking retarded you are.

>A musician (or instrumentalist)
>or (in other words) instrumentalist

>calling yourself an instrumentalist
>not being able to play an instrument

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Sleigh Bells.
They are not Comeback Kids. :(

Missing the point this hard

>Anyone who composes, conducts, or performsmusicmay also be referred to as a musician.

Do you see the word instrumentalist in this latter sentance?

Btw it was Grimes in the end

A moon shaped poop

So my stereo is a musician then since it performs music?

my god

he has given up too

Kreator

No, but he's the best black comedian since Richard Pryor.

that was the point...

it isn't anything out of this world but it was effective and conveying the feeling of a relationship ending.

Oh okay. So by your logic, composers aren't musicians then? Because producers are basically composers who use a computer.

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heh

>a simple google search
I bet you can find a faggot who'd say music is something that makes you want to dance.

This thread sucks fish dick

>an instrument is a tool or implement for achieving some end
>a musical instrument is a tool or implement for musical purposes
>today, computers can achieve this just as well if not better than traditional musical instruments.
>Therefore, the computer is a musical instrument

>Because producers are basically composers who use a computer.
do producers actually see them selves this way holy fuck how are you so fucking dumb

>all these dummies ITT who think this is a computer

This Mozart guy...
Hasn't released a track worth mentioning in AGES

there's no functional difference between generating a score in Sibelius and generating it in ProTools or Logic

Anybody even remotely interested in music, especially nowadays, knows what that is. You're not special or original for saying otherwise

Literally the definition of the word musician

well that's my point, thanks for helping

>Goes to Beethoven's symphony
>WTF OTHER people are playing the instruments

>Wiggles a little stick and points at REAL musicians
>Beethoven thinks he's a musician on any level here
pick one

If you don't think TLOP is Kanye's best album you're a hopeless pleb

This thread is for yelling about how it's impossible to create music without playing an instrument

Nice try trying to talk about a so called "musical work" maybe you'll be a true patrician whose interested in pedantic rambling sometime.

The difference is we say Beethoven was a great COMPOSER and we don't refer to him as being a musician, although he was a skilled pianist by all accounts.

Sequencing tones and beats is NOT making music BTW

it's this kind of logic that got trump elected

mark kozelek
lil ugly mane
king gizzard
depeche mode (why are they still releasing shit)

Then why get hung up on denying Kanye and his ilk any musical validity based on his not being an instrument playing musician?

Thread is faggot central, I wish I wasn't the kind of fuckboy to argue this shit.

fuck off I love both Trump and Ye

>all it takes to be considered a musician is a pirated version of fruity loops and an maudio midi controller you got on Craigslist

>waaaaa the tools are too cheap, now too many people are making music and i will never be famous for my shitty concerto
grow up and face reality

Using hidden irony layers on an anonymous gay hentai forum
Exactly how he got elected

I am not saying Kanye isn't a noteworthy artist; I just don't consider him musician senpai

Also lots of ironic samefagging

Doing those things makes you a shitty producer not a shitty musician

no, being a shitty producer makes you a shitty producer
nothing to do with the tolls you use, you can make fresh shit on any gear
stop relying on crutches

moving goalposts

how does using easily available and cheap tools make someone a shitty producer?

Just to be clear there are fags distinguish
>musician
>songwriter
>composer
>singer
>rapper
>producer
Using "musician" as a catchall for the above and those who create music is valid in most conversation. Kanye is definitely not a guitarist, pianist, or drummer. He's a musician though.

Wittgenstein would be laughing hiss ass off at this thread. (A bunch of faggots arguing the definition of musician)

Regardless of their skill level as producers, they are not musicians, which is the original argument.

holy shit so many noobs getting trolled in this thread

cmon guys...

ok so how does their choice of tools affect their abilities as a musician? i think this is an even weaker point

Some of us signed a Faustian deal where we are doomed to defend Kanye and music producers on internet faggot containment threads.

It's almost as if we have all those words because they mean different things

The point is they are not musicians. I am sorry if my earlier post offended you, but no the quality of the instrument you use does not dictate whether or not you are a good musician. I wouldn't call the mixer an instrument though.

It's safe for you to drop the argument, guy is letting intellectual spooks drive his thought.

do you mean musicians or good musicians? i think you are moving goalposts now