So apparently I'm some sort of socialist

So apparently I'm some sort of socialist.
I do believe capitalism is a broken system that needs to be torn down by force. But that'll never happen.

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Care to explain why? Most countries in poverty beg for capitalism. Also, keep in mind that USA's capitalism =/= free market capitalism. It's what's known as crony capitalism... or when gov't works hand in hand to pull favors for corporations..

According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.

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You're post is triggering me.

You're thinking of bumblebees and that has been disproven. The people who studied them found out that the bumblebees vibrate in a way that does enable them to fly.

>or when gov't works hand in hand to pull favors for corporations..

Because that's the only form of capitalism I have ever seen. It's nothing but systematic abuse.

It's slavery. That's all it is, a modern slavery.

You spend all day working for a corporation generating them revenue, enough revenue for their CEO to me a multi millionaire while you barely get enough to pay for your rent.

But they know that you can't do anything about it. You have no power, without them you're homeless. What can you do, leave? What then, they hire some other poor sap for the same wage, or better yet, they send the entire workforce to some other unfortunate third world shithole who have it even worse than us, who they can pay even less and force to work even more.
It's a sham.

Get the fuck out of here you commie bastard.
Go live in a cave and eat beets, because that is what communism is.

Beets are dope, fucker. I love me some fuckin' veges.

Free market capitalism inevitably evolves into cartel, or as you call it - crony capitalism.

A free market is a paradox. It *can* exist, but only for one generation. Then, either the market leaders form cartels to kill off new rivals and it evolves into crony capitalism. Or, the state steps in and hits the reset button and breaks up the cartels and monopolies. Which is command economics and not a free market.

The free market should not even be entertained as a utopian state. All approaches have their time - the key is knowing when to use each at the right moment.

A free market is perfect for rewarding innovation and creating a brief meritocratic system. This is ideal in times of seismic change - such as the birth of the web, which created new businesses that are destroying the old: like Amazon.

Anyone who tells you it is possible to sustain a free market for indefinite periods is one of two things:
-one of the cronies running the show
-a person with no technical understanding of money behaves in the commercial sector.

And remember, folks: A national budget will never

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behave in the same way as a household budget.

And that's only a superficial view.

The government works hand in hand with corporations because the officials in power have been receiving cues since they were candidates. They are put there because they will play ball with the rich.

Now the middle man has been removed in the US. The rich longer have to groom and cultivate politicians to do their bidding, they now have direct political power, they are being appointed to office themselves, without having to defer to cronies or buy influence.

>He said he 'doesn't eat beets'!

Commie?
That would put him in the authoritarian socialist part of the spectrum, not the liberal.

So the system has failed and it needs to end if we are to move forward.

I don't expect you'll get a reply to this, sadly.

If you ain't right you're wrong.
Better to be dead than red.

I, too played that videogame.

So you think socialism is a valid system in response to that? You've done well explaining potential pitfalls of capitalism but you haven't explained why you think socialism is a better system.

As for your points, guess what? Socialism creates a corporation for the state. The only difference is now you have government officials monopolizing markets that once belonged to the competitive economy. They tell you what you get, how much, how good it has to be (usually the bare minimum), and you have absolutely no power and all this at the cost of everyone (taxes). I can agree, any form of market in one location of the world is not infinitely sustainable. But, if history serves us as a reference, we can see that socialism destabilizes much quicker.

>a modern slavery
This shit is said by so many people that get paid to work it makes me cringe. You likely haven't ever been a slave. Slaves don't fucking get paid, friend.

What does this say about me?

And a state-controlled "utopia" wouldn't devolve into that sort of thing, either? I'm not sure if you're defending socialism or just blindly attacking capitalism.
Here's something I read that helped change my mind about what you've just said:
mises.org/library/wouldnt-warlords-take-over

>why you think socialism is a better system.
Because this system has proven itself ineffective, and what do you do when something has completely and utterly failed? You use a different methodology.
It's probably not perfect but a system designed and built around everyone being equal already has more qualifications than a system designed by the ones with power to live off and further increase that power.

>But, if history serves us as a reference, we can see that socialism destabilizes much quicker.

I honestly don't actually believe that. If the soviet union wasn't undermined and attacked at every opportunity by the US I think it would have worked out.

>You likely haven't ever been a slave. Slaves don't fucking get paid, friend.

They no longer need to take you by force because they system in place means you will crawl to them and do everything they say, because what is the alternative? There literally isn't one.

hail hitla

>proven itself ineffective
Okay, sure, go on... explain... keep in mind that the free market has allowed businesses that create virtually all of your possessions to thrive.
>everyone equal
That's not how life works.
>I honestly don't actually believe that
Well, there's plenty more communist/socialist countries that failed you can reference. Try Venezuela, Cuba...
>They no longer have to take you by force
If you have 10 dollars, you currently hold the purchasing power that comes with that- you can make someone give you a good or service, such as food. Slaves don't get that. Slaves have *NO* purchasing power and live in extremely inhumane conditions.

Not Hitler tier. But you are a good guy. You support your country.

Unlinke these
Pieces of shit

Also...
>there literally isn't one
Yeah, you can make a business in a free market.

>free market has allowed businesses that create virtually all of your possessions to thrive.

Manufacturing still goes on in socialist society

>That's not how life works.
That's what you're forced to believe

>Well, there's plenty more communist/socialist countries that failed you can reference. Try Venezuela, Cuba...
I'll do some research, but straight off the bat logic dictates that capitalism works because of the established trade networks across nations, but the US made sure that the backbone of the established networks of socialism were broken when they undermined the union. So what few countries are left are without support. Single capitalist nations with no support from anywhere else would be falling apart, too.

> Slaves don't get that. Slaves have *NO* purchasing power and live in extremely inhumane conditions.

Look into the Chinese workers that manufacture products for Apple and other conglomerates. They're not 'slaves' but look at what they must endure and tell me it isn't inhumane conditions.
And the only reason most people don't seem to give a fuck about that is everyone has this apathetic 'well, it doesn't directly affect me' attitude.

The thing you fucking idiots will never get through your bind is that it will never work. Yes, we can all agree it sounds alright on paper.
Apart from the working, thats just dumb and will turn into communisum.


Humans will never be able to hold a stable Communist or Socialist society. No matter how hard we try corruption will always take over.

Take all the chans for example. They start off with free speech. Then after they get popular and can dictate what people post. Make them realise they can benefit from it.

They then start deleting posts. Locking threads. Banning people with no reasons. And you have no say! Just look at the majority of 4^2chan and Sup Forums.

> Average American makes of $30,000 a year
> I make over that and I'm 18
> Most people I work with are felons
> Work provides insurance
> Work pays for if I'm injured
> I'm also a dropout

It took me a week to get this job, and it's the best job I've ever had. And I've worked plenty of jobs from fast food to farm labor. All the problems with capitalism are individual shortcomings, not the system's. The only people this system fucks over are unmotivated and/or lazy people.

420? I'm fine with that.

>Yeah, you can make a business in a free market.

Oh sure, let me gather up my giant pile of resources- oh wait. I have none. That's why I'm forced to work for someone else, and live on land that belongs to someone else.

Thats not anywhere near adolf m8

Get good credit and get a loan faggot. I'm friends with lots of small business owners and have worked for them and that's how they started. You're just too much of a lazy fuck to think like that though.

>socialist countries
You mean state capitalist countries. There are no socialist countries.

I despise you

>Take all the chans for example. They start off with free speech. Then after they get popular and can dictate what people post. Make them realise they can benefit from it.

>They then start deleting posts. Locking threads. Banning people with no reasons. And you have no say! Just look at the majority of 4^2chan and Sup Forums.

That's what fucking happens with capitalism

>Small group of people band together around niche idea and create something
>Likeminded people find this and become part
>Even more people come in off the back of those
>The people running the show realise 'Oh shit, we can make money off this' and then are forced to appease the advertisers by deleting threads and suppressing opinions because they're not 'advertiser friendly'

But I don't even like Che Guevara

Hitler was centre authoritarian, so he's pretty close.

>not eating beets
>current year

Again, you're still being fucked.

The people with the money decide to sling a little bit of it your way because they generate revenue from that. They charge absurdly high interest rates and at the first sign of any issue they take your business, house and your car.

So let's see you manage to pay back the loan and interest, great. That just means that you yourself are now fucking over other people like you were being fucked before.

>I'm not sure if you're defending socialism or just blindly attacking capitalism.

If you think either of those, then you didn't read the post correctly.

All economic approaches have their place, if deployed at the correct times.

The idea that laissez faire can be both free and balanced is a paradox. Nobody tries to claim a free market is devoid of entropy. But nobody discusses it, either.

The meritocratic success story of generation one becomes the uncompetitive monolith of generation two, and the corrupted cartel of generation three. It's not just a likely outcome: it is the inevitable endgame of every late-era free market.

Protip: The drugged up gangster next door is not a good person to get a loan from. Try a bank next time.

Holy fuck. It happens with every ideologiy. But with socialism which is communisum for babies who just wannna smoke that dank XD. Will collapse if one person in the governemt goes against what hes doing and keeps a little to himself. And I mean complete shut downs of countries. Shut downs that take ages to come back from.

Just because you are working a shit job because you went shit at school dosent mean you cry IT WAS CAPITALISM all your life. Do courses on what you're interested. Reach for a better job. Yes it will be fucking hard. But im doing that now. Not blaming anyone for any failures I made

>doesn't eat beets

>Try a bank next time

Why, it's still run by sociopathic gangsters on coke.

Yes, but the interest rate will be lower, and the police will stop them from stealing your shit "at the first sign of any issue", since that would be illegal.

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ur so autistic its hilarious

> Obviously never gotten a loan before
> Probably never been too a bank

Kys faggot it turns out the people who run those banks are actually people. I've got a loan out rn and I'm only paying 4% interest a year and I'm gonna have it paid off by June

>Just because you are working a shit job because you went shit at school dosent mean you cry IT WAS CAPITALISM all your life. Do courses on what you're interested. Reach for a better job. Yes it will be fucking hard. But im doing that now. Not blaming anyone for any failures I made

I'm a filmmaker, I love my life. But that doesn't overrule the fact that people born to millionaire parents will never have to work a hard day in their life because when you have that much money you simply use to to create more money by forcing those with less than you to create you more revenue and in exchange you don't pay them anything close to what they're actually earning you.

Ah, I get your point now - I assumed you were responding on behalf of socialism. It makes much more sense. I can agree that inevitably all markets become clogged with inefficiencies, but I don't think that's entirely capitalism's fault.

jill stein

>> Probably never been too a bank

Nah, I keep all my money under my mattress.

>Kys faggot it turns out the people who run those banks are actually people.

If you believe the people that make it into CEO positions are actually good people who care about anybody else other then themselves you're delusional.

Even people who work in paper mills make and average of $45,000 a year. Why? Because if another company offers more then they get those workers. With socialism, you're going to get raped by taxes and make barely more than that teenager flipping burgers.

whoever made this is extremely retarded and probably an american

to all the people getting leftist results on the spectrum, i'd suggest you read some real leftist literature (either marxist-leninist or anarchist for starters anyway) and figure shit out for yourself.

keep in mind that a) liberals aren't left, since they don't oppose capitalism. b) most "alt-righters" in this board are autistic uneducated manchildren with severe psychological issues that form their "political opinion" by projecting their insecurities onto the world. don't let them form their opinion for you, form it yourself

Ad hominem. Nice. You sure showed me.

This asshat doesn't even eat beets.

>mfw

jill stein isn't left

why are americans so politically uneducated?

> Obviously never had decent job
> Obviously never met CEO before

How do you know what these people are like? Have you met them? Ever even had a chat with a company owner?

And how is that unfair? You are fucking salty because people are earning more money than you are. And those people are able to support their children.

You'll regret it when you get pushed down to being a bakery worker because the rich kid had his parents bribe the commie (socialist) leaders to strip you of your job. And gove it to the child for a few extra shekels.

>tells everyone that the graph is wrong and that they should get educated on left ideologies
>uses the term alt-right
Ho ho bahahha fuck off

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>Even people who work in paper mills make and average of $45,000 a year. Why? Because if another company offers more then they get those workers

True. But looks what's happening now. The owners of these mills are going 'Know what, we don't actually want to pay these people living wages when we can abuse Mexican/Chinese/Philippine/Indian workers, we can pay them cents on the dollar, make them work in inhumane conditions and sack them the moment they say anything about them because we can replace them in a heartbeat'

lol believing in a ideology of any kind.
lol were all just monkeys on a rock, and leaders are the ones disillusioned by ideology. Every economic system will exploit a portion of the population, selfishness is in are genes mane

>And how is that unfair?
When you have people in the business with more money than a human can logically spend, Gina Rinehart, and people in their employ barely make ends meet, then those people have no right to have so much wealth and should be forced to share it around with their fellow fucking human beings, and don't mention tax, because we all know how little tax the wealthy actually pay.

This guy doesn't even beets

> Not realizing even if that were the case then other companies would just offer them more money and better work conditions.
> Also neglecting fact you need to show proof of legal residency to get legit job and immigrants smart enough to get here legally know the above as well.

Kek

> tribal societies have profound different understandings of what is selfish and help each other out

> but its genetic

> tribal societies are therefore less human than us

you're an idiot, lern 2 anthropology you fucking highschooler

Fuck off. When you are at work and someone said to you. "You're earning more money than the rest of the staff. You do work 10x harder. But, you have to give everyone 4 dollars of your pay every shift. Sorry." How would you react? Would you give it to the lazy stoner who says to you "thanks man, picked up my welfare check. Didn't havee enough for some LSD but now I do!"

Tell me for the love of god you'd go against what said people said to you. Otherwise you should probably fuck off with your idiotic idelology

>Manufacturing still occurs in socialist countries
But the devices you use everyday were invented by wealthy countries or businesses and then further improved by businesses that compete against one another for sales. Why do you think there is a 'console flame war'? The products that Sony and Microsoft are creating for gaming are competing for more sales, and yes, in some ways the way these companies compete can be damaging.

>Everyone's born equal
Why can I not be the next Micheal Jordan? Because I don't have the traits that come with being a fit athlete and the will power to get off my ass and workout. Also, not black...

Bullseye! (nearly...)

Also probably never heard of OSHA, nor experienced how serious they are about safety enforcement

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socialist are pretty damn authoritarian

you dumb fuck thats the 'how do I read this' scale

dumb ass motherfucker

Actually you're wrong and you're an idiot.

>Manufacturing still goes on
Yes, but manufacturing isn't the issue. It's innovation and invention. Capitalism paves way for people to obtain resources which creates a strong environment to create new, useful products in exchange for reward of money. There is much more incentive for them to do so in a capitalist society, as opposed to taxing a majority of their income. These innovators are then free to use their gain to create more products that people can use.
>That's what you're forced to believe
What? Please explain.. as far as I'm concerned, life hasn't been fair since the origin of man. There will always be unfair advantages in nature.

I agree with a lot of the third point.

>Look into the Chinese workers that manufacture products for Apple and other conglomerates
Believe me, I have. China is considered communistic capitalism. Extremely free markets enforced heavily by government. They have virtually no labor laws. This falls into crony capitalism working with heavy government. aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/China/Labor-Rights-in-China

Oddly, they're still doing better than when Mao was in charge- he was a stonewall communist.

>> Not realizing even if that were the case then other companies would just offer them more money and better work conditions.

Why would they offer them shit when if they keep paying at the same unlivable wage they still win because people are still forced to either work for them or the other guy.

>> Also neglecting fact you need to show proof of legal residency to get legit job and immigrants smart enough to get here legally know the above as well.

Uh, you're aware that they're not actually importing Chinese workers into any other country, right? They just have the goods exported from China/Mexico/India/Mexico/Wherever else they can exploit

You're aware that companies exist where they literal only thing they do is look for countries with exploitable workforces and set up factories/callcentres and these multi billion dollar conglomerates approach them when they need a new workfoce, right?

BROTHER!

Your grammar is triggering me

haha doesnt eat beets

>Implying the CEO does anything but come into work at 2pm in the afternoon three days a week

I'm not stating they import workers, I'm stating that they use factories in countries like China where they give zero fucks. Seriously, look up the poor fuckers that make shit for Apple.

i actually support trump

Comrade!

so you concede the point that in every society individuals act selfishly,
my point stands that in a society with limited resources and a population that exceeds those resources individuals will claim these resources for themselves and their family to further their genes.
>Lol every other animal acts selfishly everyday >almost unconsciously to survive, but humanity >has this arrogant idea about the goodness of >humans. If you and a woman only had one can of beans left to eat, you would beat her face in with the beans and eat them.

And build the whole fucking company from thw ground. Goes to as many of his properties everyday. (He may only go to yours 3 times a week). He also has meetings.

There is also a fucking lot more. You have no argument. You are just another welfare wanting piece of worthless shit.

You didn't even argue my point

Socialism is the path to marxism.

>>tells everyone that the graph is wrong and that they should get educated on left ideologies
>>uses the term alt-right
>Ho ho bahahha fuck off

full-blown retardation

whats your problem with beets, man?

>doesn't even have an argument
>just calls me a retard
Thats commie logic kids!

>And build the whole fucking company from thw ground.

Great job, genuinely, great job. But for how long do they deserve to be getting paid a million dollars a year when the only thing that's generating them wealth is their employees. Who will never see anything close to that.

> Goes to as many of his properties everyday
What kind of pissant CEO are you talking about, I'm talking about multi national conglomerates run by a corporate boardroom who you will never see, letalone have any form of interaction with.

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There is also a fucking lot more. You have no argument. You are just another welfare wanting piece of worthless shit.

Okay, friend. Keep going. Try to convince yourself you aren't under the boot.

>Also probably never heard of OSHA, nor experienced how serious they are about safety enforcement

Yeah they show up once in a blue moon and management usually gets tipped off before they arrive.
All they can do is give out fines until a problem gets fixed anyway.

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>this nigga don't eat beets

>try convince yourself you arent under the boot
Yet thats where you were until I told you that you have bo argument.
Now you are just pulling shit out of you ass.

These CEOs deserve and earned every fucking dollar they get. Now you can go talk to one because they would all love to talk and meet anyone during their busy days. And have a nice cup of tea with you and give you a billion dollars for being a special snowflake.

You can reach to see that money. But as I said. You dont like those people. So you will never get that high. No matter how much energy you use. The only way you will make a change is by contracting Ebola and giving it to as many people as you can.

I think you need to eat some beets.

Beets are for filthy commies

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer beet

was just thinking that, but you beet me to it

>I do believe capitalism is a broken system that needs to be torn down by force.
Not putting you down, but you'll grow up and learn that it's not a perfect system, but it's the closest one that has been invented yet.

>Great job, genuinely, great job. But for how long do they deserve to be getting paid a million dollars a year when the only thing that's generating them wealth is their employees. Who will never see anything close to that.

They create thousands of jobs for people. They make products people want and use, which makes them money. How many jobs have the ones working beneath them created? Zero. What products have they created? Zero. They are getting paid equally to what they contribute.

If you have the balls and brains, maybe you can end up at the top by creating something the people want. But trying to bring down the rich because you feel like they dont deserve it while you are doing jack shit is just pathetic.

Oh you

you stupid asshole, scroll down.