Who has the best military mind in GoT?

Who has the best military mind in GoT?

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Book Stannis, show are all retard hollywood tactics

Stannis

Check em

jon snow

Robb Stark

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what the fuck is this

Drogon.

Stannis, followed by randyll tarly

Book Stannis never did shit, the real answer is Ned or Robb.

Tis courage and valor that wins the battlefield, not strategims. Leave the fighting to fighting men.

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If we're going by battles won in the show canon, probably Robb Stark.

Night King

What did Ned do?

Yeah, because going to war against Robb Stark, getting your ass (literally) blown the fuck out at the Blackwater, then running North and trying to scrounge off their armies and Houses was a great tactic

I could have one the Red Wedding as Robb Stark if it were on a Fire Emblem style battle grid.

>greatest accomplishment is eating rats and leather for a few months
>bailed out by a smuggler
>falls face first into Tyrions trap and loses the BotB despite having a heavy numeric advantage
>half his fucking army are currently frozen corpses
Ya great "commander"

Ned is debatable since we don't have details about what battles he lead and Jon Arryn was there
Robb had a council of veterans and made some dumb ass decisions, like not telling Edmure he was planning a pincer attack on the mountain and getting pissed that he defended riverrun to well and completely repelled him instead of having the mountain dig in to lay siege to him

ned got 6 other people to fight against 3, genghis khan called this outnumbering the enemy

Yes, Stannis should have totally anticipated the near magical wildfire as a saving grace, what was he thinking

He was the main General in Bobby B's rebellion.

Robb and Ned Stark, Hoster Tully, Tywin Lannister, Randyll Tarly

>survives years of siege
>blitzes and wins half the north completely driving out the iron born
Wont debate the blackwater, the wildfire wasnt what did it though, it was getting stabbed in the back by the tyrells

Ya his greatest military mistake was Edmure disobeying direct orders. The Based Young Wolf was literally never defeated in battle.

>like not telling Edmure he was planning a pincer attack on the mountain

This gets brought up every time and it's bullshit

Edmure's duty was to obey his orders, a commanding officer shouldn't have to thoroughly explain every move he makes to his subordinates.

She won the Battle of the Bastards with 62 fighting men.

It's probably Robb. The North had no business succeeding as much as it did during the War of the Five Kings and it was mostly down to his ingenuity in the field.

>drives out the Ironborn
Me, you and the rest of the posters on Sup Forums could've done that.

>This guy I'm calling the greatest military mind in Westeros should get a pass on the biggest loss in the Wo5K because muh magic, even though he literally used magic to kill Renly

Stannisfags are truly pathetic

Stannis should've taken precautions once the Tyrells bailed after Renly's assassination. Instead he forgot they existed and got fucked in the flank. Entirely his fault.

Euron Greyjoy

1) Ned Stark - Won Robert's Rebellion. Robert was a great strategist on his own accord, but Ned was the brains of the entire operation. Other men on this list win because they planned great battles... Ned planned an entire war.

2) Book Stannis and Book Tywin Lannister tie - Both fucking geniuses in strategical planning.

3) Robb Stark - Never lost a battle, even agaisnt overwhelming forces or more experiences enemies. Gets third place for never accounting the shennanigans his own allies might do and of course, Red Wedding (there was a battle there too, shut up).

4) Tyrion Lannister - He doesn't know shit about battles, only what he reads in book, yet on his first actual battle he nearly curbstomps Stannis. He was also knew enough to formand train a specialized guardsmen unit who's sole purpose was to deploy wildfire without burning the city.

5) Book Roose Bolton - Would be a tie with Ned Stark, but we never get to see him plan something on the same scale as Ned. Same intellect and cunning as Tywin and Stannis, yet he prefers manipulation and scheming over military issues.

6) Tormund Giantsbane and Jon Snow - Tormund planned the attack on Castle Black. Jon Snow repelled it. Great acts on both parts.

Is he better or worse than Twenty Goodmen?

I mean, I've never heard of Sixtytwo Fightingmen before, and I've read the books.

Books: Randyll Tarly
Show: Ramsey "Twin T. Goodman" Bolton

>how to spot a show fag
Edmure was told to hold Riverrun so he dug in, trapped the nearby river crossings with spikes under the water and set up groups of archers in the tree lines along the banks to fire on enemies while they tried crossing
Edmure took out a large chunk of the mountains forces while suffering no casualties of his own, the show just tried to make him more bumbling to make Robb look better

Are there any especially good commanders in Essos? Dany has average commanders tbqh, Jorah and Barristan are the best but both lacked experience in certain areas.

>ordered to hold Riverrun
>holds Riverrun
>why did you do what I told you to do

The show misses the entire point of that bit which was to show Robbs immaturity and lack of experience

Led the attack on the iron fleet and later on great wyk.

>DIDN'T PROTECT OR SCOUT HIS BORDERS

LOL

Indeed.

Robb told him to hold Riverrun, which he did marvelously. Except Robb wanted him to just do that, hold Riverrun, not repel Clegane's men like he did, which ruined Robb's strategy of cutting off Clegane from Tywin main force.

However, this fault lies with Robb, not Edmure. If you want to pull a fucking complicated war manuever, you fucking explain it beforehand to the guy who's essential at letting that happen.

So how could he have anticipated it again?

>Robert was a great strategist
No he wasn't, where did you get that idea? Robert was charismatic as all hell and that's how he got people to follow him but Jon Arryn was the man behind the man so to speak

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he didn't share his plans with edmure because he didn't really respect and trust edmure and then when edmure performs too well he throws what amounts to a tantrum.

Volantis has great commanders, being the greatest militarizes nation on Essos, reason why book Dany and crew don't want Volantis to get involved in their war.

It's implied the Norvosi have good military minds as well, given their warrior-monk society.

Still, most of the nations in Essos depend heavly militarly wise (except Volantis) on sellsword companies, instead of actual armies and commanders. They'd rather pay someone to fight their wars for them and send along some slaves to help.

The one part in the book where Ned explains that once Robert declared war, tree of his own bannermen Lords turned agaisnt him and sent their armies to fight him. Robert instead of getting butchered to death, covertly advanced his own army to the meeting point of the other three, and in a single day, lured each of them and defeated them as they arrived.

3 fucking battles in a single day aren't won with charisma user.

Also Ned led the war from the North, Robert led the war from the South. They rarelly fought together, and neither Ned nor Robert lost a battle. The one time Robert was routed, The Battle of the Bells happened, and Robert won.

The reason why Ned is number 1) is because he had to defeat more greater houses than Robert did. (Robert went agaisnt lesser lords, Ned faced great houses)

We know Edmure was good enough to hold off the Mountain.

We just don't know if he was good enough to string along the Mountain.

Why is everyone in this thread just mentioning the mountain?
While he fought the mountain himself after he crossed the river, he was holding of Tywin as a whole.
It was an army far larger then his own that was held back. I question whether or not it would have succeeded if Tywin was not called back to King's Landing, but it was impressive as it was.

Don't forget the dumbass actually assumed the Reach army would join him after Renly's death.

Randyll Tarley has better victories to boast about than Stannis. All Stannis ever did was beat Ironborn retards and northern savages (a lot of whom were women and children).

In the show? Ramsay.

instead of sending a man to their camp after his death to at least attempt to threaten them into submission he just assume they'll join the "rightful king"

stannis's rigidness definitely blinded him strategically and politically

>yfw Stannis and Renly would have won by S2 if they had just joined forces

>like seriously

Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups and Stannis did a LOT of this in A Clash of Kings. He deserved to get his ass beat at Blackwater.

And you're absolutely right, if he actually marched in person (with his soldiers) to Bitterridge where the Reach infantry was at, he probably would've browbeated them into joining him.

Wouldn't have happened because Renly wanted to be king and Stannis was an autist.

reminder that renly would have been the best king

Renly would have won the entire war with ease if it weren't for Stannis using shadowbabby magic

>Book Stannis never did shit
he smashed the greyjoy fleet with 3 fishing boats, a pleasure barge and a single rowboat

Edmure is pretty based, I think a lot of people forget that or only know the show where they made him a bungling retard
>can't set his father alight with the flaming arrow not because he's wracked with sadness and crying while he's shooting but instead he's just a crap shot that can barely draw a bowstring

It's just that Renly's claim is only good if he first admits that Stannis's claim is better.

Barring assassination, I still don't think Renly could have won it.

The best shot for a Baratheon on the throne is S + R alliance, with an agreement that Renly's first-born is the heir, since Shereen is probably not going to produce heirs, and Stannis is not going to remarry.

>with an agreement that Renly's first-born is the heir
Which won't be a Baratheon since I'm willing to bet he can't get it up to actually impregnate Margaery so she's gonna be forced to fuck someone else. The Baratheons are a shit house; it truly deserves to go extinct if it's last 3 descendants were a drunk cuckold, a hard-assed autist, and a prancing fool.

renly is bi

he had no issues trying to fuck margaery, read the books

I did read the books and while he knows that impregnating Margaery is a must to solidify his kingship, I doubt he could get it up when the time comes.

Of course he could impregnate Marge, it's what most married, particularly royal, homosexuals have done for most of human history.

Loras could work the balls while she got the shaft

on their wedding night renly was drunk and ready to fuck the shit out of margaery

he probably prefers men but he would no doubt make sure he impregnated her, renly isn't the fool people make him to be in the books

He only lost because of the Tyrells you mong

Renly was also an autist, had he just fucking knelt to Stannis and won the war he could have had Stannis killed because nobody liked him.
Instead he just goes balls to the wall, thinking his army of inexperienced troops could take on one of the biggest hardasses in existence.
If I recall, some guy actually wrote a large essay on how Stannis actually prepared to fight a winnable battle at where he met Renly.

>held Storm's End for a year even though the entire army of the Reach was outside his walls
>fucked the greatest sailors in Westeros, possibly the world with a pretty clever ambush
>smashed Mance Rayder even though he was outnumbered something like 1-100
>is already digging holes in the ice lake to bait Ramsay into his trap

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He's gonna lose and you know it. The Pink Letter is real and Stannis is going to eventually burn Shireen just like in the show.

holy shit my sides

It ain't real.

If it was real then why is Ramsay asking for Theon?

Thank lannisters
Destroy a great house
Turned the lannisters from embarrassment to household name
Rescued the king alive
Beat starks

According to Sun Tzu, the most succesful general wins a war without fighting. Thus the only correct answer is Tywin Lannister.

>Tywin lannisters

You mean walder frey

>Stannis, who is camped like 5 miles from winterfell is going to burn his daughter who is at castle black

Sansa and how she took the iron throne

Could you post it? Seems interesting.

I doubt he could've won but he would've cost the fag a lot

By taking his witch with him instead of listening to no-fingers the pirate

On a side note, why was Jon called 'King Crow' in episode 10? Was it to do with him leading wildlings?

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Except the entire point of the Red wedding was that it solved the Lannister's short term problems, but created a fuckton of long term issues, including the virtual destruction of the guest rite ritual that had been important forever in Westeros.

Renly wouldn't have won shit. He had a fuckhuge army and sat around eating peaches and watching tournaments instead of marching on his enemies.

He would have been a Tyrell puppet at best and if he won the war it would have been because of Mace, Randyll, and Loras transmitting orders from Highgarden.

He was shit in his civilian role at court. Ned, Robert, and Stannis all openly laughed at him because all he knew how to do was flounce around.

The Red Wedding caused a lot of problems for the Frey's but basically nothing for the Lannisters.
Who cares if people think of them as even more viscous, that's an image they had been building themselves already. Most of the hate is toward the Freys and Boltons, who while allies are super expendable to the Lannisters.

Except now they've given just cause to the other lords to overthrow the freys and the boltons, and good luck pacifying the north after that.

Also, when I think about it it's odd that the Starks didn't secede after the last dragon died, seeing as the only reason they lost was because of the dragons

fooled by renlys exterior

he didn't give a shit about doing anything at court while robert was king but he moved quickly and effectively to counsel ned to take royal hostages, then gtfo when he realized ned was a retard. got the tyrell alliance and marched slowly to draw men to his cause.

i havent read that giant ass essay that other user posted but renly wasn't the fop people thought he was.

Sadly this. Rob was godlike off screen but just did dumb shit the rest of the time, Tyrion's only had one battle and everyone else waits for a deus ex machina or just fucks up.

>Ignoring the existence of the Stormlands

Didn't ignore anything. He called the banners (which he didn't really have the authority to do) then sat around waiting for Highgarden to tell him what to do next.

That's the problem. Renly just wanted people to like him. He wanted to be King because that meant maximum adoration, but he didn't want to do anything to become King. Nor did he even know what to do.

>fooled by renlys exterior

That was the extent of his characterisation in the show and the books. It's not like he's Varys and presenting one face to the world while being an epic rusemaster that nobody knows about. He was just a shit leader. The only reason this isn't more obvious is because he gets very little air time on the show, and they left out most of his derping around as a result.

He probably didn't give every detail of his plan to Edmure because if the information was intercepted, it'd all be ruined. It's more important for a soldier to do exactly what they're told, so tons of information doesn't have to get released to every part of an army, exponentially increasing the chance of plans getting leaked.

>That was the extent of his characterisation in the show and the books.

you didn't read the books very thoroughly m8, renly quite competent maneuvering the political landscape once the wot5k started. now, we don't know if he just had good counselors but if he wasn't assassinated he would easily have had the strongest position. his maesters opinion isn't the end all be all. robert was the true steel but look what happened to him.

Night's King.

prove me wrong faggot

Honestly most of them only have a few victories at best. Book Wise though Euron has to be up there. He was responsible for destroying the Lannister's fleet and his tactics atm are top tier as he is beating the fuck out of the reach. I doubt he will get any of his victories in the show though.

Randyll, Ned, Stannis are the best but I always thought Stannis was overrated.

Actually Jon Arryn probably deserves the most credit out of all three men who lead in Robert's rebellion.

He had authority as LP of the Stormlands but I guess he was military inept.

Edmure won against Tywin, addam marbrand, and Kevin but got shit stomped so hard when he went up against Jaime in the beginning of the war. You never know what you are going to get with edmure.