How do you deal with schizophrene people, Sup Forums?
>be one of my friends >act kinda weird - sleepless, jumpy, starts making weird sounds, hits people on random >we all think its just his way of dealing with life, he was always a cheaky cunt to us all >one day he takes Ecstasy, flips him over the edge >starts screaming and gets institutionalized for a month and a half >gets released on home care. Does more drugs, posts weird 'codes' on facebook, talks to himself in comments from different perspectives >tries to commit suicide, twice >this all goes on while we're all away for college
Turns out he was diagnosed schizo. Had it in him probably, the drugs just started some chemical reaction and activated the mental psychosis. The point is, since we last saw him we all changed quite a bit. I actually think it wouldnt be good for him to see us completely different, Im afraid that it might fuel his delusions even more.
It actually occurs in people who's brain over produce dopemine so x would do it. Someone like me with the opposite neruotype in my dna just get depressed and x cheers me up.
Aiden Cook
My point is, I think it wouldnt be good for him seeing us after the couple of years we all spent apart because he doesnt differentiate reality and his own imagination. Seeing that we all changed so much, went buff, completely changed our looks, made some money lost some money, to him we might be very different people. Successfull healthy people as opposed to him. I think that might even worsen his state a little bit, seeing that schizophrenia is a mental state, not an illness (meaning once it sets in it cant be cured, at least not anywhere near where he lives) and the road to adapting to this situation would be quite long for him.
Grayson Roberts
The point is, he's a different person now. So are we. And schizophrene people dont thrive in new enviroments and with 'new' people if you know what I mean.
Charles Scott
its nice to know that you see this and consider his feeling, but be friends and take him out for one wild night. he might appreciate it and give him something to strive for. mental conditions need mental stimulation for the brain to adapt.
Ayden White
There are 3 major genetic neurotypes that affect the brain and are intrinsic to dna.
Met/Met - who your friend is most likely. They over produce dopemine and break down adrenaline and estrogen hormones badly and are prone to cancer and cope with fight v flight or fear very badly. They are called "worriers." but are normally overly productive and social people.
Val/Val - the opposite under produce dopemine and produce adrenaline and break down estrogens very well. They tend to be more depressed and smoke weed a lot. They are called "warriors" and have a hard time in day to day life. But when the shit hits the fan and adrinaline flies they come to life.
Val/Met is the middle ground and are more normal. They other two are very imbalanced and have a fragile psyche imo.
Nolan Roberts
Im more laying out the mechanics of it some other user can engane the story from the emotional details.
>mental illness thread in general.
Wyatt Cruz
>facebook Post facebook or it never happened.
Adrian Sanchez
Any good articles to read on this? Not OP but it sounds really interesting.
Luis Foster
interesting info. i understand these are in fact genetic/dna terms, but source on this?
Jacob Ross
Yea but if he gets off his meds he might try to kill himself again. His brain is still very confused, it happened quite recently - some two years ago, thats not a lot of time for a mental illness that goes that deep. He might not even recognise us. Maybe he is maybe he isnt. Hes always been a jerk to us, but you know, growing up in a small place, our parents know each other, and stuff. Yeah I know. But its still hard. What if he tries to jump infront of a car? Off a ledge? Im not sure whether 'we were trying to take him on a wild night out' sounds like an explanation to his parents if he tries any weird shit again.
Joshua Hall
I thought so too. I used to see a therapist who was friends with a dna specialist and thats how i learned of it. I'll look for an article.
Also, wishing well for op and his friend.
Christian Barnes
>post facebook or it never happened Yeah not gonna happen on a mongolian scribbling board
Juan Davis
Yea hard to control friends are so fun they create adventure but they take it too far and get out of control. Hows he do on benzos? Probably gets wild if he is so high strung. Which is too bad.
Austin Foster
Sorry to hear that man I'm in a very similar situation. High school friend sorta dropped out of our group after he thought the world was trying to get at him. This included: >parents trying to poison him >me trying to get him arrested >coworkers were high on coke and messing with him >different people were trying to hide girls from him >government doctors were trying to inject him with air Of course none of this happened but I have been off at college and there's nothing I have been able to do. It hurts to see a friend just completely go off the deep end because they wanted to "discover" themselves in college and messed up their minds. It may be too late for them but it's good that you learned from his mistake and are making yourself better.
Justin Jones
i get what you mean by going off the meds. i've seen it happen myself. it might be best if he is left alone if he's that bad off. and considering his past behavior, it might be a terrible idea to party. however all that is hypothetical, you don't know until you reconnect with him and see for yourself. if he's going to act all sketchy, then just arms-length over facebook is all the care one can muster.
Grayson Morris
I was a little spotty with details but i basically nailed it. Here are a few articles. The test is rather inexpensive and all they need is your saliva to test your genes.
Im probably going to go play ffxv. Best wishes. Make sure to watch that guy. Dont let him assume control of situations, keep him sober dont share when partying. Make sure he knows you care about him. When he freaks out that might be all he will remember thats good. But even then sometimes that makes cazy people worse. Dont blame yourself even if others point fingers when he flips out
Isaiah King
That sucks OP. Similar thing happened to me. >1st year collage >doing lots of coke and ecstasy >start doing shrooms >10th trip, have horrifying experience >over the next week everything seems horribly off >get really baked a week later and feel the trip start to happen again >drop all but one class >think I'm going insane for the next few months >barely leave house Eventually started going out again. After a year or so I sort of returned to normal but this year has been bad. On and off panic attacks and constant derealization. Can't sleep right, jamis vu all that shit. In my case it may have just been an anxiety disorder or from what I've been experiencing this year some kind of seizure type shit but I can attest to the fact that I'd be way more miserable if i didn't still have my friends. It's probably gonna take a while before he's back to normal so to speak but once he comes around he'll be really happy and relieved to have his friends. He may have been a dick but mental bullshit is horrible stuff to go through.
Jaxson Walker
Hey OP, I'm diagnosed with schizo too, but I take my meds religiously and got it more or less under control. still have my friends, although I don't tend to go out that often anymore, I still see them every week when they visit me at home.
My advice would be try to be there for him as good as you can, I don't think you can make his illness worse by changing as a person, but very well by cutting off all contact with him, social isolation is a bitch with this illness.
If you have more questions about this illness I'll keep luirking ITT for a little bit, you can also visit schizophrenia.com, they also have forums go ask questions over there, or visit /r/schizophrenia, might be a better place to ask such things than on here..
John Gutierrez
Not OP but curious, how did it start. Like was it gradual or did it come on suddenly? Were there any warning signs you noticed in hindsight that occurred before you became psychotic? Also I hope you continue to do well man, psychosis scares the shit out of me.
Elijah Williams
rather sudden onset at the age of 24, warning sights in hindsight depression, and my family history of schizo
and thanks man, yeah it can be very scary, but also kind of awesome in a very intense very insane way, still of course hope to never experience psychosis again
Cooper Lee
where u from?
William Phillips
switzerland
Elijah Murphy
Fuuck im going through a rather intense bout of anxiety at the moment and I'm 24. I don't hallucinate nor do I seem to be delusional but I feel fucking weird. Like I keep getting this constant feeling of a combination of deja vu but more intense and sudden brief episodes of sadness and fear. It's been coming and going all year I've been worried. Also because a distant(3rd or 4th) cousin got hospitalized for psychosis a couple years ago. Was there a breaking point?
Austin Jones
With me it wasn't like that, I was just under a lot of stress and basically one evening while meditating, I reached a special state of mind, I thought I reached enlightenment. It was actually a psychotic boost.. that was my breaking point. But I haven't had anxiety or deja vu. Then for the coming weeks I felt like I could think better and more clearly, that I could think better than anyone around me, that I just reached a new height of human evolution. That was of course already delusional. Hallus came afterwards though some weeks later, when I was literally convinced of being God and heared spirits or angels or whatever talking to me. And from then on it got stranger and more wild and full blown psychotic-
But yeah, if you're worried, I'd go see a psychiatrist, wished I did the same for my depressions, maybe with a low dosis of antipsychotics we could have prevented my first psychosis or made it a little bit more manageable at least. But I also don't want to scare you, probably you aren't suffering from it, staticstically your chances are low and your just anxious, but of course there's always a chance..
Benjamin Morris
Interesting, ,you're probably right as fear of going crazy is a common symptom of anxiety as well as derealization. The other shit is weird though, the only thing I've read online that has deja vu like stuff is epilepsy but I don't think I've ever had a seizure. It's good to know at least the meds help you function. I don't take anything for anxiety aside from xanax but I try to only use that when it's unbearable.
Asher Rogers
deja vu as well as anxiety aren't a early warning sign of schizo and aren't a symptom of schizo, basically it has nothing to do with schizo
so only thing that would make me think that you might get it is your distant cousin, but even that ups you chances statistically speaking only by a very tiny factor, it's not like it's your sibling or your parents that's schizo, so genetically your risk is pretty low
good to hear that you only use xanax in emergencies, that's how it's supposed to be taken, otherwise it can form an addiction, but I'm sure you know all that stuff.. I had to take it once over a prolonged period of time daily when I was psychotic and getting off of it was a pain in the ass.. but other than that, great stuff.
and yeah, I love my abilify, just a little pill each morning, but it makes all the difference.
