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Brexit is the single worst thing to hit the UK since WW2 as far as the economy and international relations is concerned. What rankles the most is that it was from the inside.

Namely, the ones who polled (NOT voted, it wasn't a vote - votes are binding, polls aren't) for it are the ones going to be most directly affected by it. The idiot peons, already 'under-advantaged', who are going to face further benefit cuts, rising food prices, falling spending power - complete and total disenfranchisement - as the pound falls to record lows. The turkeys did indeed beckon forth Christmas, and will all feel pretty foolish when the 'farmer' comes calling soon. Mark my words.

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Stay mad, faggot

Stay poor, cuck

No one cares at this point.

I agree, it was a bad decision, but it was also a democratic one, so even though I don't like it, I will accept it.

Theres more to life than just the value of the pound and cost of living. It's a small price to pay to have our sovereignty and control of the borders back.

The EU is a sinking ship, and you're clearly too disillusioned to realise it.

Listen, we *know* America torpedoed itself by electing a clueless cheeto, and that overshadows things if you're there. But we're still here and we still care.

Yes to the vote recount and electoral college re-think. Yes to second EU referendum in the UK!

death to traitors

democracy= just keep trying till you get it right?

you probably fancy yourself anti-facist too

Where do you think we are?

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Not a britbong, so feel free to ignore, but...
I can totally understand the thinking behind Brexit voters. I can't imagine having some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels telling me what kind of toaster I'm allowed to buy/sell.
Couldn't you have a common currency, market, freedom of movement (for citizens only), and defense without all the bullshit?

Actually, the EU is a democracy, just almost noone realizes/bothers to vote.

Thats what the bongs are trying to do . . . keep the good stuff but cut off the foreigners. The EU is laughing at them. Its all or nothing dumbfucks.

Democracy... where the common people have no say and only one or two countries have genuine influence.

>So much misunderstanding of democracy

We elect a representative democracy by way of general and by-elections. Referenda are opinion polls. When was the last time you thought the top 40 had a decent quota of actually good songs, right? This is the future of the country, not the X-Factor.

Stupid opinions (almost a tautology) should not govern the direction of those whom we elect to make difficult but informed decision on our behalf. If we governed entirely by plebiscite, we would not have had an agricultural or industrial revolution, no empire and would not be on the world stage as we now are.

Plebiscites take the temperature of a country, that's all. They are not a mandate, and if a stupid outcome (barely) pokes its head up, then it's the job of the House of Lords and the Judiciary to take a duty of care to the country, to ensure it doesn't plunge itself into a ravine.

Fingers still crossed that they're still not too pussywhipped and cowed by racist troglodytes to step in and do their job.

Yep, there we go: 'sovereignty'. Do you know what that word means? Do you know that we already had that, all along? Do you know that immigration and border control will remain exactly as it was before? UKIP and BJ cucked you good m8.

I'm calling for Scotland's independence, then maybe north Irland and maybe even Wales

>Not entirely convinced that democracy doesn't equal 'tyranny of majority'

So many tears spilled, bless you child. Throwing your toys out of the pram as soon as something doesn't go your way.

You're a cunt. We haven't even started article 50 yet.

The irony is the UK has set in motion a series of events it has no say over with nations it's done nothing but insult for 42 years who decide what kind of economic relationship it will have when half its economy is reliant on EU trade :) stupid. Blow off your foot and dip it in poison stupid

And you wonder why Scots want independence...

Translation: 'I'll be first on the scrapheap when the storm hits, and I'll look to the sky and curse the heavens - "Why, God, why did you forsake me? I thought you were on Old England's side!"'

Scots forget the reason they joined the Union in the first place. Idiots

Genuine question: why do you think those 'pro' bits are feasible? Also, how do Brexiteers intend to implement them, since there's no plan?

Why is there no plan? Is it because the euroskeptic junta didn't actually think it would win? Now, I'm no Tory, and certainly no fan of Cameron, but I did respect him when he basically threw the reins to them and said 'I'm not dealing with this shit, you quacks sort it out'.

And, be still my beating heart, it's still not 'sorted out', because the engineers of self-destruction are exactly that - no plan, no leverage, no clue. To those who would call Remainers 'traitors', I put that right back at you, since you guys are the ones who want to scuttle the UK for the foreseeable future.

You already had the same fucking monarchs at that time

You just said you respected Cameron for handing the reins to the fuckers who ballsed the whole thing for us. Now I don't think the remainers are traitors (they are entitled to freedom), but I don't see why I should have to clean up this mess, especially when Europe has been actively taking steps to take all of our talent. Why should I work for a system that does not work for me?

Scots are canny. They unionised to save their economy. Cicumstances change after 300 years though, weirdly. There's certainly a chance to de-unionise, to *ahem* save their economy - and honour the polls of its constituents.

We have as much say as we do with our own parliament, we elect MPs for our government and MEPs for European parliament. Like I said, it's not a well known fact, though, I'll grant you, some countries have the right to veto.
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Fuck you asshole, iust because I think the people should have a say in the direction of our country, doesn't make me ignorant of democracy, and just because people opted out doesn't mean that they're racist troglodytes. Your attitude is a big part of what's wrong with the country at the moment. Rather than accept things the way they are, try to make the best of it and work together to do what's best for those most affected by Brexit, you're happy to namecall and generalise like a child.

>Brexit is the single worst thing to hit the UK since WW2

agreed, the good side lost

>why do you think those 'pro' bits are feasible?
Because all it is doing is taking the middle man out of the equation, in this case the EU.
>Also, how do Brexiteers intend to implement them, since there's no plan?
Our part is done, it is now up to the government. They need to activate article 50. Hopefully Theresa May won't sell us out for the single market. We'd be better off trading with nations that don't hate us, or want to control us.

It is no wonder that there was no plan since Cameron was so arrogant to think he couldn't possibly lose. Also the government fails to represent the people since eurosceptics are a minority in parliament. If parliament did represent the people then there would be a slight majority of eurosceptics.

I won't stop them. English taxes go towards funding their socialist haven. Who will pay for their uni fees once they leave? Once the EU refuses them they'll come crawling back. Their pride needs to take a big hit.

What you fail to see, is when the EU collapses within the next 10-20 years, we'll be in a much stronger position than any country that still remained. We'll have trade and many other issues sorted out by then.

We all knew it would probably increase prices, but we all voted for it regardless. Purely because there is more to EVERYTHING than just the economy and it would do people well to try and see more than 5 years in advance.

If you're worried about a few more years of economic hardship, then you're part of the problem. The EU is failing, it's time to jump ship.

>Its all or nothing dumbfucks.
But why should that be?

>keep the good stuff but cut off the foreigners

14/88, user

I think the entire point is that the disenfranchised felt that the EU system did not work for them, but do you think an unworked unplanned UK system under the Tories or UKIP will treat the working classes any better? I predict mass migration to Canada and Australia of our 'brightest and best' if this fiasco actually goes ahead.

With that in mind, can anyone tell me an actual tangible and plausible benefit to Brexit - even if everything goes perfectly (which it won't)?

Nothing about immigration or 'sovereignty' please, because those things are not changing, and I'm personally tired of hearing them.

THIS is the worst thing thats come out of brexit

nice b8

typical dumb brexiter logic. you dont even know what sovereignty is and the brain washers have done such a good job that you look like a cunt because for the last 6 years the number of immigrants from outside the EU, which we do control, has been bigger than that from inside the EU. What a dick you are parroting this bullshit you havent got a clue what you are talking about and are probably just a scared racist

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your paint skills are shit

Probably still thinks the £350m bus claim is still real.

Not user, I think that was kinda the point..

EU BTFO

RIGHT WING POPULISM FTW

LEFTISTS BTFO, ON SUICIDE WATCH

HOW WILL YOU FUCKERS EVER RECOVER?!?

Have you not read the news yet today? The EU negotiators are saying they will offer UK citizens who feel they unrepresented a chance to become EU citizens with all the rights and benefits.

cry more you stupid fucking shill

Nigel Farage for World Leader

>have a little less money in the short term
>Or have your children raped by mohammed and his friends, and your country turned into a 3rd world country within 40 years

they took the right decision

1) Sorted out? Tell me your masterplan, no actually tell no 10, cos our PM doesn't fucking know.

2) The economy dictates the price of bread and booze. Tell me it's not important.

3) It's a problem you created.

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MUKGA

1: I'm not in government, but again the plan you're talking about is a short term plan. Again, please try looking further than 5 years of the current government.

2: Stop being stupid

3: By voting the leave the EU we created all the problems the EU had before we voted to leave the EU? Refer to my point 2.

Again and again and again with this...
A poll is not a vote.

a referendum is the government asking the public how to proceed on an issue

Sure thing, just keep moving from question to question, avoiding any actual debate. It's almost like you just don't know what you're on about.

Or you're trolling. Either way I feel bad for you.

Even if u leave, 45% of your country's exports go across the channel, that won't change overnight. It's simply easier to trade with geographical neighbors than say Australia which is 2 and half months by boat. And to continue trading with them u will need to Athearn to all the rules they set otherwise u don't trade with them, lost leaving is kind of pointless as now you have no say over the very rules u have to abide by whereas before u did.

A referendum is the government asking the people how they want to proceed on something. It is effectively asking the public to decide on an issue.

The referendum is actually not legally binding in any regard. The UK Govt has the ability to simply ignore it at the risk of seeming undemocratic.

It honestly is just like a poll.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

And what does that have to do with the original topic? The government gave the people a choice, the choice of the people was to leave. Why give the choice if you never planned on going through with it?

If remain had won, would the government now be deciding if we should just actually leave?

Stop being silly.

>waa the EU is failing so lets leave
>Noo you can't just bail on the UK when its failing

You're clearly mentally handicapped, its okay. Sit down and enjoy your tard yogurt.

1. I can kinda see where you are coming from, and yes, I don't doubt that the people will see sense and vote for a PM that can get in the mud and sort out a lot of fundamental issues. But you can't say a plan will exist that will "make Britain great again".

2. No you. Actually wait, again I can see where you're coming from, but this is a discussion about leaving a free market. The economy does come into play into many peoples decisions about this particular thing, both short term and long term. Recovering from this economic blow will take a long time, much longer than you are suggesting. It matters in the long term, just as much as your other vague ideas (I'm guessing you're talking about other geo-political events such as war and also domestic policies)

3. No, but you did vote to leave instead of staying and using that democracy to help repair the damage.Surely you can see the long term benefits of the EU, outside of the "economy".

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>I can't imagine having some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels telling me what kind of toaster I'm allowed to buy/sell.

this how fucking stupid you are

>It honestly is just like a poll.

I don't understand the absolute hate for the EU from many Brexiters in the UK. How many wars and how many British lives have been lost because of European disunity over the years; and now finally since probably the time of Charlemagne Europe is United peacefully and all you want to do is break it up again. What on earth would up replace the EU with, shorely their are benefits to it and not just problems, no political system is or ever will be perfect

the EU is fucking corrupt, a neoliberal scam made for the benefit for corporations. watch the brussells business youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E

>But you can't say a plan will exist that will "make Britain great again".
But I didn't say that. In fact I never said it would make anything great. But I have no doubt it will be a better position to be out in the next 50 years than it would have been to remain. Brexit isn't a magic wand that makes everything perfect, it's just the first step in a long and complicated process that will be at the centre of our country for a long time to come.

>Recovering from this economic blow will take a long time, much longer than you are suggesting.
I am not saying it will be instantly sorted out, I am saying we knew the risks. We knew it would lead to an increase in food and other prices. What I am saying is we voted for it regardless of those issues. Economy was NOT the biggest issue for leavers. It was mostly democracy and controlling immigration. We know it will take years to sort out, but we are prepared for that.

>No, but you did vote to leave instead of staying and using that democracy to help repair the damage.
We tried that. Many, many times. Other countries have tried it, but the EU won't budge on areas that the public (of many countries) want changes on. We've been trying for ages to get reforms on immigration and free movement, but the EU will not change any part of it. It's not that we haven't tried, it's that the EU will not try and negotiate properly.

For someone who started off calling me mentally handicapped, you did a good job essentially putting words into my mouth and then arguing with the points you made up. Good going.

So what's the alternative then? Bunch of independent nations being picked off by much larger nations with the exception of Germany, France, UK, collectively your actually quite strong, individually only a few are at moderate levels

Fuck yes brother

>keep the good stuff but cut off the foreigners

That's exactly what the brit bongs - and any country - should be demanding you fucking retard.

then maybe that brusselic act that states that a snail is a land fish?

> single worst thing to hit the UK since WW2 as far as the economy and international relations is concerned.

you have no fucking idea how the world works,
brexit is good because instead of paying the master nation of the EU (germany) an insane amount of tax on literaly EVERY transaction britain can now only pay its respective country that it is trading with for example, they will only pay france and not pay anyone else or any other country for dealing with france in what ever deal they are making,and avoid all the other bullshit,
basicly its backroom deals with whoever they are trading with and not giving a penny to the E.U which is why it is good for relations
or do you want to live under the 4th reich

NOTHING happens in the E.U without germanys approval. they are the masters of europe, the difference this time is they didnt use tanks...

Yes. Because the EU ties nations with fundamentally different cultures and many more problems in an attempt to eat away at their monetary sovereignty first and foremost, and only then at their policies and economies.

Just tie a fuckton of shoes altogether and see if that mass of people can walk straight.

There is noone apart from foreign powers taking profit out of the EU situation, and simply by opening a book you can figure out which superpower pushed it in the first place.

In the meanwhile, switzerland is doing just fine.

>independent nations
yeah why not?

Brexit: The most idiotic thing any country could do to itself.

USA: "Hold my Beer..." *elects Trump*

How many trillions of dollars have the Germans spent on building and improving in Europe since 45 and all you can do is make reference to the Nazis. As the largest nation in Europe they would always have a large say, esp if they have to pay e.g. the Greeks.

Well Switzerland is still bound to eu laws to a degree and must allow freedom of movement regardless, their referendum recently was pushed aside as it did not conform with free movement and thus they were threatened with being cut off. Now of course their situation is unique as they are landlocked. The same will apply for the UK with regard to all goods and services that's if they allow us to even sell services in the first place

Cry more liberals

Business confidence is up
Obama backed down on disowning us
The EU is still falling apart
Polite elite are panicing
Exports are up
And hopefully out before more waves and waves of 'women and child refugees' that all look like 6 foot men

Metric system is a better system of measurement though

If say the UK sat down with the US to do a trade agreement, who is in the stronger position? Now if all of Europe do the same, who is stronger? Individually you can't compete but collectively you will get a much fairer deal because of your collective size

The UK is much better positioned in a bilateral UK-US deal than an EU-US one.

Are you too retarded to see why is?

Yeah you didn't, there are those that have. And they all call immigration a problem, yet can never explain why.

Democracy doesnt work. Only people smart enough should be able to decide government policy and who gets elected. Democracy means any moron gets a say who gets elected, and that is bullshit

Because unrestricted, free movement of all people within the EU is not good. It encourages a healthy, young work force out of the countries that need it into the ones that don't. It creates additional strain on a countries infrastructure. You cannot budget properly if you have no idea how many additional people are coming that year. The problems aren't exactly non-existent, people just like to ignore it because saying something will make you a bigot.

Immigration is not a problem, I think most will agree we need it in some form. You will find most agree that uncontrolled immigration is just plain dumb.

Lol like that pic, yes your probably correct regarding that because of cultural similarities, but what I was getting at was the relative strength of either negotiating party. The US is bigger and stronger so it gets a better deal for itself. The EU on the other hand has a slightly bigger economy and as such is herder to bully in negotiations because of what it brings to the table. This changes nothing in the regard that only 15% of your exports go to the US and 45% go across the channel. You tell me which one is more important for the health of the UK economy?

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And the social welfare policy in the UK is ensuring that the smart are too busy working to have children, while the dump are receiving redistributions to breed. Thus ensuring the dumbest have a greater vote in the future.

Socialism! It's grrrrrrrrrrrrreat!!!

The only thing that somewhat links them to the EU is Schengen related. We still have laws to expatriate troublemaking foreigners, control immigration, our referendums are absolute (and we've been slammed by the EU before, didn't care and went on with our lives), and our monetary system is still somewhat in our hands. The country is laughably irrelevant both politically and in size, yet here we are, in a better position than France, Spain, etc...

There's a reason why all swiss people are against the EU.

they collapsed the greeks in the first place

please stop watching bullshit propaganda its making you miss the entire picture

you think a nation wouldnt seize the oppertunity to take control of europe if given the chance, no matter what they did in the past..

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What you say makes sense, but you also need to remember that a deal with the EU doesn't always mean a deal with each individual country in the EU.

Not all countries can and would benefit from certain deals and those that don't will find they probably still have to pay towards that deal even happening. In some situations, being a collective makes sense. There are many where being a collective doesn't and many countries would benefit from doing their own solo stuff.

The EU is full of poor and "doing okay" countries. It's a very bad mix and a very unfair system right now.

Mate I'd rather have a Polish plumber any fucking day of the week over a fucking mud slime Paki, at least the cunts white and Catholic

Controlled immigration would still allow Lukas from Poland to fix your sink. It just might mean his 5 friends can't come.

top kek

aldi and lidl...

And that's goddamn /thread ladies and gentlemen

Germany's "bail out" of Greece isn't charity. They're currently in the process of stripping Greece of any valuable resources or remaining profitable organisations at the kind of discount prices only available to a debt collector.

and they fucking fought and died for the brits too, and arnt trying to impose their way of life in their country on britain

wow they have even bigger crybabies on the other side of the ocean.

yep a dictator tyrant the is in power illegally because the voters were misled

dont forget you voted for a NEW government for brexit, not the torys by default.

I was against brexit, but since seeing the EU's attitude towards britain since I think fuck them. I'm still shocked we're trying to stay in the single market. Single markets force countries to produce products solely for export. The more a country relies on the export the more trapped they become in the system. Look at Italy for instance. Fuck the EU, fuck the single market and fuck immigration.

The problem started with the introduction of the Euro which was created of the deutchmark. Greece historically has had very high lending rates as their economy is a laughing stock, but with the introduction of the Euro they were now able to borrow at German levels. So what happened they went on a spending binge and that's why their economy is fucked, best example was the Athens Olympics, they could never afford it, the problem with the Greeks is they want a northern European lifestyle but can't afford it