What is to be done about the inefficiencies of post-industrial late capitalism?
> "Suppose that, at a given moment, a certain number of people are engaged in the manufacture of pins. They make as many pins as the world needs, working (say) eight hours a day. Someone makes an invention by which the same number of men can make twice as many pins: pins are already so cheap that hardly any more will be bought at a lower price. In a sensible world, everybody concerned in the manufacturing of pins would take to working four hours instead of eight, and everything else would go on as before. But in the actual world this would be thought demoralizing. The men still work eight hours, there are too many pins, some employers go bankrupt, and half the men previously concerned in making pins are thrown out of work. There is, in the end, just as much leisure as on the other plan, but half the men are totally idle while half are still overworked. In this way, it is insured that the unavoidable leisure shall cause misery all round instead of being a universal source of happiness. Can anything more [irrational] be imagined?" — Bertrand Russell, "In Praise of Idleness," 1935
Ian Green
> It's a general problem with capitalism tbh
Michael James
> Dat efficiency
Anthony Lee
> B-turd fashies won't get it
Thomas Carter
> kek
Jace Nelson
> Sniff
David Bennett
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Hunter Watson
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Jonathan Torres
I simply can't see how we're not fucked by automation. If a small handful of people can produce enough to feed an entire country with what they own - factories and robots and mines and everything - why should they just let other people have the shit they produce? Human beings haven't exactly proven overly altruistic on a national scale.
How do we force the owners of everything to let us have a cut? What incentive do we use? If you say pitch forks and torches, who's to say they don't just bunker up somewhere in the lap of luxury and let their servitors gun us all down? The only alternative is respect or whatever, but if they haven't got tangible power over us, it's not going to work. And if they do have tangible power, we're basically just slaves.
I can't get past this roadblock.
Michael Taylor
Forgot to mention: and if you say we should just nationalize their shit, then how do we not stifle technological progress? If everything you make can be taken away from you for the good of everyone, why should you put effort into it, when you don't really gain anything other than recognition? Do you think recognition will be enough, when the standard of living won't increase in the same way it does today if you invent something incredible?
Aaron Sanchez
Thank you for posting this
Jace Turner
>hire 10 people to make pins all day >now only need 5 to make same amount all day >I should now keep on all 10 for the same salary and half the working day Why not fire half and let the rest produce twice as much...? I make more money that way. Or should they only get half pay and get another job? What if there are none?
It's not sensible to talk about this shit as if we were perfect. Yes, it sucks that we're greedy, and we should all help each other all the time, but no one does. It's not "demoralizing" to suggest I should keep on all 10 workers for full pay. It's just unreasonable, because of course I'm not going to do that. You're not going to buy a dumbphone and donate the money to charity either, because you, like everyone else, are a cunt.
The picture might as well say >I wish people weren't cunts Same here, but so what?
Lucas Ramirez
> Workers work togeather and control the means of production collectively
> Or get exploited by a select few
> It's in the workers' self interest
> This is why unionizing is a pretty inevitable pattern.
Ryan Gomez
You don't because there is only so many pins the world needs
> Secondly its about the collective interest of the masses vs your individual greed
> When people realise they are being fucked and that they can fight back it will be your porky ass against the wall
Benjamin Watson
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Jacob Cox
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Jacob Gonzalez
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Jackson Butler
> We need to seize the memes of production
Nicholas Flores
Communities learnt the poor of collective action and worked together in solidarity valuing being together over having lots of money and being a lonely cunt.
> Greed isn't human nature its just what capitlist ideology makes you think is human nature.
Chase Peterson
I think Andrew Ryan from Bioshock had it right >one owns what one earns If a man wants something, he can have it with enough determination and the knowledge required to obtain it. A man can live comfortably earning what he needs with the sweat of his brow.
However it is the parasite that drains a hard working man of his life blood.
Socialism is a plague on this country. Equal opportunity encourages laziness. Why work hard and send your children to a good school, ensuring their future be one of rich success, when you can sit on your ass while our children go to a school paid for by others, earning only a sub-par education taught by largely unqualified individuals.
Social policies are a disease running rampant through the united states that feeds the parasite a constant supply of fresh blood in the form of foodstamps, social security, welfare, and other programs that make it easier for the degenerates to exist on no effort at all.
James Davis
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Cameron White
I love this a bunch white kids talking about how hard the working class get it while never working for minimum wage
