Do the books cover how they had their first encounter? Was it after her marriage to Robert, or did they always have a sexual relationship? How did it start?
Were they bathing together and just one day Cersei told Jaime, "I'm going to kiss you on your pee pee like Mommy kisses Daddy"?
They were fooling around since before puberty and their mom caught them fucking even before Tyrion was born and was all bashful about it
I can see her having to have known, she had to have known. Tywin would've been oblivious but she must've found out at some point.
The thing is, did she lose her virginity before marrying Robert? Did Robert know and did he care?
Also did they ever confirm whether he had a son in the Vale around the time he was going to marry Lhianna?
>The thing is, did she lose her virginity before marrying Robert? Did Robert know and did he care?
Robert was drunk as fuck on their wedding night (he called her Lyanna when they were fucking) so probably didn't notice.
How would you be able to "notice" anyway?
There is something called Hymnen?
>he called her Lyanna when they were fucking
Man. Poor Bobby B.
Why did this dude have such a raging emo hardon for Lyanna anyway? He saw her like what, once?
thats how it worked back then. imagine waiting 18 years for your porn to download
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Jaime and Cersei used to play as kids and when they entered puberty, one day that playful fooling became the actual thing. So yes, Cersei lost her virginity to Jaime in their teenage years.
Also fun fact is that Jaime has only had sex with Cersei, despite being the most handsome motherfucker in the seven Kingdoms. He's actually in love with her.
i did
it was the first 18 years of my life
almost
>he called her Lyanna when they were fucking
gross
Robert was just mad asf cause he thought rhaegar stole and killed her. Hes basically a psychopath never really loved her, hardly even knew her.
Yikes. No wonder Cersei got so triggered.
Didn't they send Jaime away after the maid saw them fucking? Or something like that.
Do you think Jaime is pissed with Cersei now and will go fuck Brienne in a mad fit of rage
but you had more than 6 village girls to look at while you waited
not always intact for virgins, it can be torn a variety of ways. a common one is horseback riding.
Jaime really is a pathetic loser
Are the books pretty explicit about it? I need to know
I know Jaimie said that in the show, and it makes you feel bad for him. She's a manipulator, even manipulated him to the point that he's fully devoted and in love with her, all the while she's fucking their cousin.
Supposing Khal Drogo and Rhaego had lived. Would his Khalasar have been able to take Westeros?
Yes. When they met again Cersei told him Tywin arranged for him to marry Lysa Arryn. But, she said that he could become a kingsguard and stay in KL with her, she fucked his brains out in some tavern and he decided to become a kingsguard the next day. Tywin got butthurt about Jaime becoming a kingsguard and took Cersei with him to Casterly Rock.
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this is shitposting right? did you also believe your gf when she told you she got herpes from a toilet seat? christ it's hilarious how easy it is for women to lie to nu-males. Here's a pro-tip, women don't like to advertise that they were whores at 14 years old generally, or that daddy or some uncle molested them. If they don't have a hymen they probably aren't a virgin, unless they furiously finger fucked themselves until it busted, in which case that girl has issues anyway.
>a common one is horseback riding
I can't believe some people can really say this with a straight face.
Honestly the nastiest ones are the horse girls. If they ride horses, they've been fucked in some nasty ways since they were 13. Also they like whips. Like a really lot. They like whips.
Robert described it perfectly in S1. They would never take down the castles and major cities but they would utterly devestate the infadtructure and commenfolk. A strong defense would inevitably defeat the Dothraki, but how many Lords would have jumped ship before that?
>t. pol
Nice sources faggot
Not every woman has an intact hymen before sex or is even born with one for that matter.
t. cuck
>muh Sup Forums boogyman, muh sources
it's called i actually have some experience with women, and am not functionally retarded. Not a very high bar, and yet you faggots managed to fall under it. I can't even think of a comparable lie men tell, because no one would believe something so fucking stupid. "oh i just don't have a hymen because i rode horses lol, promise i didn't fuck the neighbor and my brother and that dude from wal-mart that one time". Jesus you guys get your fucking shit together. Btw i'm a nigerian prince, I have a huge inheritance coming to me, i just need 20k to unlock it or something, loan me that and i will send you a million dollars.
The first time they had sex was right after Jaime was knighted after the fights in the king forrest.
Cersei was kept in kingslanding with her father. And she wanted Jaime near her.
So they fucked and started making sure Jaime would be a Kingsgaurd so he could be near her.
Ofc it backfired because after it happned Tywin was pissed as fuck and red Keep along with Cersei.
>Btw i'm a nigerian prince, I have a huge inheritance coming to me, i just need 20k to unlock it or something, loan me that and i will send you a million dollars.
Yeah well do you have a hymen?
That's weird, I also have plenty of experience with women and also possess an education.
Let's go to Google Scholar, oh look, second result:
popline.org
Let's speed up the argument, you'll try to discredit a scholarly journal article by disputing it due to country of origin, or something related to jews.
Take a biology class you colossal retard or fuck back off to /r9k/
nah i'm a virgin but i rode a camel so it just went away for reasons don't think about it too much. Also i was born with a prolapsed asshole, don't question that either or think about it too much.
Seems legit I trust you.
>Some believe that differences in the appearance of a woman’s hymen should prompt the evaluation of sexual intercourse or sexual abuse. This is not the case because even when trained physicians are “evaluating” the virginity of a woman, the integrity of the hymen can be very difficult to assess. Many studies have shown that the hymen’s diameter should not be used to verify sexual abuse as the hymen’s diameter changes due to nonsexual physical activities. It is generally accepted amongst health professions that the hymen is an ineffective indicator of vaginal-penile sexual intercourse.1
soc.ucsb.edu
>You often hear about the hymen breaking with first intercourse. It can happen, but if a woman is relaxed during intercourse and has good lubrication and she or her partner has tried to stretch the hymen with fingers, then it likely won't break. So, you can't tell if someone is a virgin if they have a hymen.
pamf.org
>Contrary to popular belief, the hymen is not a flat piece of tissue covering the vagina, which is punctured during intercourse. If it were, girls would not be able to menstruate before they lose their virginity because there would be no outlet for menstrual blood.
Some girls are born without a hymen, others have only a scanty fringe of tissue. Moreover, for all its fabled mystery, the hymen is just a body part.
ourbodiesourselves.org
>The hymen often, though not always, rips or tears the first time a female engages in penetrative intercourse, which may cause some temporary bleeding and slight discomfort.[4] The hymen can also stretch or tear as a result of various other behaviors; for example, it may be lacerated by disease, injury, medical examination, masturbation or physical exercise.
en.wikipedia.org
You're a misinformed idiot and should kys
>Further, boys should not worry about penis size, for, when erect, they all work just fine.
I'll keep reading but that was in the first fucking paragraph, jesus man. And i won't say anything about the country of origin, you already know you fucked up with that or you wouldn't have mentioned it.
That wasn't the first time. That was just the time Cersei convinced Jamie to join the KG. They were fooling around in Casterly Rock and when their mother found out their rooms were moved to opposite ends of the fortress.
I just know the Sup Forumsr9k/ mental gymnastic routine.
Just curious, how many of those articles were written by women? And in those cases, the girls virginity was assessed how exactly?
"hmm, this girl says she is a virgin but her hymen is not intact. obviously the only explanation is that hymen's are a myth and the patriarchy and the horses did it"
idiot. this is a lie that has been spread by women for decades if not centuries because their worth is lowered drastically after they lose their virginity/hymen. Go look up court transcripts from a child rape case, they will put a doctor on the stand that will say with 100 percent certainty the girl was not a virgin. Strange isn't it.
This is the same as the "a girls loose vagina has nothing to do with the miles of dick she has taken" bullshit that you effeminate retards eat up. Go virtue signal and whiteknight on facebook or something, no one cares here.
thats the same excuse margery gives in the books when the high sparrow has her vag inspected on cerseis claims shes fucking behind tommens back, and the high sparrow admits its a possibility.
Seek medical help
It's like all spoilt rich kids being told they can't have a toy they want, even if they get offered a better one they still develop an obession over the thing they were denied.
yes but they were like 8 year old at the time when he first time stuck hes peepee inside her peehole
Normal ppl wouldnt call that sex
Only pedos
>Also did they ever confirm whether he had a son in the Vale around the time he was going to marry Lhianna?
Daughter, it's why Lyanna wasn't keen on marrying him
it's supremely sad how brainwashed they have the average man. what i'm saying is literally common sense, and yet you guys will eat up anything women tell you.
"i'm a virgin baby, but my hymen broke from looking at a horse, i got herpes and aids from a toilet seat, and why am i pregnant you ask? oh god probably did it, second coming of jesus?"
And you would not only believe that, you would call anyone who questioned it a man baby or a misogynist or a woman hating racist. The funny part is i just tried to come up with the most ridiculous lies i could, and it still isn't far off from what you would legit believe from a woman, and have stated you already do. Change god to "i sat on a condom one time" and i gurantee you would eat that shit up you pathetic nu-male.
I'D BETTER NOT READ THESE ARTICLES WHICH CONTRADICT EVERYTHING I SAID BECAUSE THEY ARE _OBVIOUSLY_ WRITTEN BY CHEATING WOMEN!!!
You are either baiting or you are 17 years old who still believes in friendzone and such.
You disregard scholarly articles with heresay.
I'm not arguing with you anymore. You're bordering mental illness.
This is possibly the dumbest shit I have ever read on Sup Forums
this is purely anecdotal, but i have taken 5 girls "virginity's" and 2 of them didn't have a hymen. Since then both of those 2 have admitted they were not actually virgins, they just didn't want to seem like sluts. So i'm inclined to believe that guy to be honest.
The virgin hymen is a myth especially since most girls play sports or use tampons every month.
Do they teach statistics where you come from? Or better question: have you been attending to high school? I'm not even asking if uni because if you can write this post down it's obvious you didn't.
>playing around as kids
>explore one another
>start fooling around
>get caught by their mother
>told to never do it again or else she'll tell their father
>splits them up, makes them sleep on opposite sides of the castle, gives cersei a bedmaid
>they fuck behind each others back
>eventually tywin wants to start marrying off his kids
>sends jamie to the vale to get to know Lysa
>takes Cersei with him to kings landing
>Jamie spends his entire time asking the knights of the vale how to fight and ignore Lysa completely because shes too meek 'without any of cerseis fire'
>Cersei misses jamie terribly
>meeting in a old inn with cersei dressed like a commoner, Cersei convinces Jamie to join kingsguard so that theyll both be in kings landing
>Jamie becomes kings gaurd because of this, while Aerys happily makes him one in an attempt to rob Tywin of his son and heir
>Tywin and Aerys' relationship already soured by this point
>Tywin leaves KL and takes Cersei with him, giving up being hand of the king
>Jamie stuck in kings landing doing bitch work cause aerys doesnt give a shit about him while cersei is in the west again
>much later, when jamie is taken prisoner by the starks, his sole motivation for getting back to kings landing is cersei
>Hears Joffery dies, doesnt give two shits about it
>'jeoffery meant less to him 'than a squirt of seed in cerseis cunt'
>just wants cersei back
>meanwhile in KL, cersei is fucking lancel, and fucked Osmound Kettleblack as a way to keep him on a leash and do her bidding
>doesnt love Jamie quite as much as shes bitter that she doesnt get the same respect as him
>when he finally gets home to KL, nix a hand, Cersei starts treating him like shit
>jamie still loves her dearly, willing to do anything for her
>relentlessly insults him, perhaps out of greif for losing her son and later her father
>sends jamie off to retake the riverlands
>Jamie realizes how bad of a person cersei is
It's a strange world where the truth sounds like insanity even on a place like this where hating women is commonplace. Anyway godspeed, it doesn't even matter anyway, you guys will believe much more insidious lies from women then this one so it doesn't matter. If the notion that girls would lie to cover up being whores sounds like a crazy idea to you, you are way too far gone.
>Do they teach statistics where you come from?
says the guy who doesn't know what an anecdote is.
>this is purely anecdotal
did you miss that part? because it was the first 4 words of my post
Not liking women is one thing, being so obsessed with it you deny actual medical science is quite another
>WOMEN DON'T HAVE SEX WITH ME BECAUSE I'M A BASEMENT DWELLER SO THEREFORE I HATE THEM, FUCKING SLUTS! - The movie
Their mother was Tywins cousin.
Joanna Lannister is Tywin lannisters cousin. They never talk about that in the show because show watchers arent smart enough. Case in point this OP.
>they fuck behind each others back
sorry i meant
>they fuck behind their parents back
>Jamie, having heard from tyrion that cersei has been fucking 'Lancel, and osmund kettleblack, and even moonboy for all i know', starts questioning his relationship with her
>at first he thinks what tyrion said was just a way for him to get his anger out, but on his way to the riverlands he speaks with lancel who is starting to become religious
>lancel admits fucking cersei
>Jamie can no longer deny what tyrion told him
>hates his white cloak, regrets some of his life choices
>meets a woman who calls herself queen of the whores
>says to himself 'my sister has that honor'
>his feelings for cersei are finally revealed when cersei sends a letter to him via qyburn asking for him to come help her get out of this whole high sparrow bind
>Jamie reads the letter impassivley and has the maester burn it without a reply
and thats their relationship in a nutshell
>The guy before me says that hymen can only break by penetration even though many people have posted evidence to the contrary
>He says women just lie to everyone and the writer of these articles are all liar women
>I have an anecdote in which I dated 5 women in my life
>2 of them lied to my about their hymen
>So I inclined to believe the guy before me who says all women are lying sluts
So I guess the answer to my question is no they don't teach you?
Guys, you know perfectly well this isn't leading anywhere. The guy was doing a crazy yelling hobo impersonation long before you confronted him with facts. He's still doing it now. Just give up, you aren't talking to someone who has a rational conclusion of a discussion in mind.
I'll leave you guys with one last thing, so we can stop derailing the thread and get back on the incest GoT topic. This is the absolute truth, whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you. When i was 16 i lose my virginity to a girl i was dating named leah, also a virgin. Her family had a farm and she rode horses since she was like 5 years old, even went to competitions and all that. She played all kinds of sports, she masterbated( i know because she let me watch once or twice before we had sex) and iirc she even used tampons. Her hymen was very much there when we had sex. I even had a conversation one time where she said she lol'ed when she was in health class and they brought up some of the bullshit one of you posted ITT about hymen "myths". But believe what you want fellas, it doesn't matter since i'm sure any of us would fuck a qt whether she's lying about being a virgin or not.
Targaryens are genetically attracted to one another to preserve dragon rider and dragon hatcher genes.
It's nothing but a family trait of attraction. Roll with it or be that faggot who claims tryion is a raging targ whilst the twins are cool, collected, head strong children like tywin.
The twins are fiery passion incarnate.
>this is absolute truth
>an anectode
I don't think you know how science works.
Thank god he became kingsguard
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Why I say Joanna has targ ancestry. Tywin was after dragon x gene at least the possibility of it. He wasn't protected by magic genes and sired a dwarf when the realms most conservative man decided to fuck his first cousin.
Thanks for posting your degree in gynecology
Tywin had disdain for Targaryens and Tywin only loves his own family name. I dont believe that to be true.
So your proof is an anecdote? Really? Your dumb whore girlfriend is not representative of the other billions of women on the planet. It says clearly in the articles it's different for everyone you mong
>Tywin had disdain for Targaryens
Only after his wedding
>unless they furiously finger fucked themselves until it busted, in which case that girl has issues anyway
Why? As if you didn't fap like crazy when you were 14. Believe it or not, girls actually masturbate as well.
what the hell is going on in this thread? unless i missed something all that user(or user's?) said was that sometimes women lie about being virgin's. Why are you faggots whiteknighting so hard.
Very nice
well i'm no pussy expert, big surprise right, but doesn't it hurt when girls break that? I stop jerking it if it hurts(and it's happened).
No, he said that a damaged hymen or the lack of a hymen is 100% proof of the lack of virginity.
His disdain came later on in life. Aerys was his best friend until the complications that arose with the denial of cercei being wed to rhaegar and the joanna lannister triangle.
>doesn't it hurt when girls break that?
Life is not a eroge, that shit varies from person to person
>If they don't have a hymen they probably aren't a virgin
I tried to stay away but i can't ignore this. This is from my first post that started everything. I said probably. There's literally no way to test my theory unless we hook up a bunch of women who claim to be virgins without a hymen to a lie detector test(also unreliable) which would never happen. Surely you agree some women lie about being virgins right? Well my opinion is that most women that do not have hymens are not virgins, even if they say otherwise. Just to clear that up. I really hope this was a misunderstanding and however many of you were arguing otherwise aren't just retarded.
It can, but even if it does, it's only a very short spark of pain. And as someone said before, the hymen can tear pretty easily from other stuff like sports. When you are a 14-year-old girl and experimenting with your body, it's probably not going to be the reason for you to stop.
What the fuck are you aspie cringe lords talking about, holy shit arguing about hymens get the fuck out
Oh great, it's another 'Sup Forums demonstrates their complete and total lack of knowledge about female sexual organs' thread
So this is the power of American sexual education............
>Well my opinion is that most women that do not have hymens are not virgins
Considering the converse is obviously true and that most women aren't virgins: fucking obviously.
Sure I agree about that, but at the point I entered the conversation it was a few guys going at you over the fact that it's *possible* for a woman without a hymen to be a virgin, and you bemoaning what cucks they are for believing so.
Yeah sorry we're not sheep fuckers here.
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>most women that do not have hymens are not virgins
I don't think anyone here said differently
Well then at some point we lost track of what we were arguing about then, and i'll freely admit it might have been my fault, too lazy to go over the whole thread to find out. Is it possible to be born without a hymen? Sure babies are born without brains and arms and shit. Is it possible to lose your hymen from things besides sex? Obviously, just one example a dragon dildo would do the job pretty easily i imagine.
My stance is that if you have sex with a girl, she says she is a virgin, and she doesn't have a hymen, she is most likely lying. I think shit like, "it was from riding a horse" is bullshit, because even though my example was an anecdote, 11 years of constantly riding horses would surely have done the job on my ex if it was possible, right? Maybe not, but seems like solid evidence in my opinion. Again, it's a matter of degree, and I think even scientific studies are going to be flawed because they ultimately have to rely on the girls word that they are a virgin. And again, it's useless information because even if you prefer a girl to be a virgin, there's no way to prove it either way(which has been established in this thread). I would just personally think she was probably lying if it wasn't there.
>11 years of constantly riding horses would surely have done the job on my ex if it was possible, right?
Maybe she didn't ride the right part of a horse.
>Is it possible to be born without a hymen?
I dunno, probably.
>Obviously, just one example a dragon dildo would do the job pretty easily i imagine.
Bad example, since it's widely acknowledged by professionals to be possible without directly touching the vagina at all.
>My stance is that if you have sex with a girl, she says she is a virgin, and she doesn't have a hymen, she is most likely lying.
This stance is what's probably irking people so much. You have no proof, and yet you still distrust enough to say that she's *probably* lying. You're either paranoid, ignorant, or bigoted in some fashion or combination.
>because even though my example was an anecdote, 11 years of constantly riding horses would surely have done the job on my ex if it was possible, right?
No, see, that's why anecdotes don't work. Just because it didn't happen to her it doesn't mean it can't happen for someone else. Even if it was IMPOSSIBLE for it to happen to her, that still doesn't mean it can't happen to someone else. Not all hymens were created equal. Some are thin and fragile, some are thick and resilient. Some even don't have a hole in them originally, requiring a doctor to make one before complications happen.
>they ultimately have to rely on the girls word that they are a virgin
There are other ways to tell, you know that right?
>My stance is that if you have sex with a girl, she says she is a virgin, and she doesn't have a hymen, she is most likely lying.
Maybe not. My gf was still a virgin when I met her because she only let guys do anal.
>caring about virginity to begin with
Go to bed Ahmed
>You have no proof, and yet you still distrust enough to say that she's *probably* lying. You're either paranoid, ignorant, or bigoted in some fashion or combination.
it's called using common sense my tumblr friend. as i said before, there is no way for anyone to know how many girls are lying about being virgins, no study that would actually determine that could be ethically done, and so will not be done. So we are left with using our best judgement, i have mine, and you have whatever tumblr told you to think. If i tell you I have a 14 inch dick, do you believe me? No? Why not? Did you use common sense there, or is it because it's impossible?
Oh and by the way, unless you are just shitposting on the sly, what gave you away was the word "bigoted". Go back to your safe space and get some rest.
No, using common sense would be when you acknowledge that you aren't using good criteria for finding out about something. Not when you use criteria you know perfectly well are unreliable and drawing strong conclusions from them.
Are you going to sit here with a straight face and tell me girls don't commonly lie about their sex life? How many partners etc? Do you seriously need a fucking peer reviewed study to know this?
Jesus man get out more, even most women will freely admit this happens all the time. I can't remember what movie this was from, but if someone remembers it watch it with some female friend or family and see what they say. The line goes, "whatever number(of partners) men say divide it by 3 to get the truth, for women times it by 3 to get the real number". Girls watching that with you will laugh at this, because they know it's very close to the truth.
MY EYES
>Are you going to sit here with a straight face and tell me girls don't commonly lie about their sex life?
Where did you see anything resembling that in the post you responded to?
Are you trying to prove that you really are paranoid like I speculated before?