Alright Sup Forums, I need your help again

Alright Sup Forums, I need your help again.

My relationship with my mom and dad are kind of complicated, I dont live with them but I see one of them pretty much every day. My mom isn't religious and my dad is kind of a fake christian, meaning he does swear and he used to take me and my brother to church every sunday but not anymore (he says work makes him tired so hes always late to pick us up and we haven't gone to church in over 2 months).

I live with my grandparents who are very religious people, they're not one of those fake christians, they believe in no sex before marriage and dont swear and all that jazz. My dad (used to) take me to a different church than my grandparent's, when my grandpa figured out that my dad doesn't take me to church anymore he started trying to get me to come with him to his. Of course I made up some dumb excuse like I don't like the people over there or im busy.

Every year we go to some church camp where they basically try to pressure you into saying that you love Jesus or whatever. I've gone probably for the past 4 years, and its coming up in a couple months.

Now we come to the main problem, around the beginning of the year I was convinced that there is no god and I've been an atheist ever since. It wasn't extremely difficult to tell my mom about it since she isn't religious, but that was 4 months ago and I still haven't told anyone else. Its pretty clear that I hate the church camp and my grandpa wants me to go, so I'm going to have to tell them fairly soon about my beliefs. When my mom and one of my sisters told him that they were atheist it was very plain to see that he was crushed and disappointed. I don't want to make him sad or angry with me, but I'm done with being a christian.

I need help with finding a way to let everyone down easy and I don't want to burst it out in the middle of an argument. I can't think of any way to bring it up without just saying it abruptly.


TL;DR

I need help finding a way to come out as an atheist.

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Why did you turn out as an Atheist? What, did you believe in the meme of "you can't prove he exists"?

fuck bitches get money.

follow these words and you will
find answers my son.

It wasn't an instant transformation, I came to the conclusion after many videos explaining contradictions/paradoxes, and no that doesn't mean all I did was watch a couple amazing atheist vids

Did you take the fair approach to it and look at videos explaining those "paradoxes" or are you just jerking yourself off in your little echo-chamber? And 90% of people who try to explain things about the bible have absolutely no idea what they're actually talking about, nor have they actually read the entire thing in the first place.

Atheism will darken you and turn you into a completely rotten person. Atheism only works when the people believing it are in denial of the horrifying consequences that are believed by that belief.

If you believe nothing exists after you die, then this life right now will be like a dream you will never remember having. And for the rest of eternity will be like when you are asleep but not dreaming of anything.

To know that this will inevitably happen makes life so incredibly pointless that it is a shock to me that anybody thinking this way does not commit suicide and get it over with already. Because you're not going to remember anything that ever happened in your life after you die, what is the point in doing anything if you'll forget it all later?

I'm not an atheist. I am open to the idea that maybe something created the universe. However I am convinced that if some higher did make our universe, it is not the GOD in the holy bible. I have some really good arguments for it too.More likely than not even if this universe was created by a higher being there is no afterlife.

If you do not want to fall into a deep depression that will darken your soul and ruin what life you have it will be best for you to choose a religion to keep yourself sane before you die.

Yes I've done more than just watch one video on a topic and think I know everything about the Bible, but I don't believe you have to read the entire thing to find stupid explanations or impossibilities.

OP, why do you live with your grandparents?
This is supposed to be an 18+ board.

Atheism does not darken your soul, only if you let it. I don't hate christians or their way of life or anything like that, I just simply dont agree with it. To me life is about enjoying yourself, but people have different meanings for life.

Are you saying they're stupid explanations entirely from your viewpoint? Can you give an example as to what you believe is contradictory? There are a lot more ways to view things than your own point of view, and someone who's lived since the beginning of time itself is most definitely is going to be the one who is most different than you.

Because I dont have a job yet lol

Living only for your own self-desires will always darken your soul, you retard. Atheism is part of your personality, and anything that's part of your personality will be reflected in how you act and how you breathe. There is no "only if you let it" garbage. It will always subconsciously affect you.

One point to bring up that is fairly popular is the punishment. It is outlandishly unreasonable to punish someone infinitely for a finite crime. Nothing to gain from it, nothing to learn. Some people might think that it is reasonable or justified, I however do not. So in this case point of view does matter.

Get a job, save some money, then get the hell out of that fantasyland.

Be sure to be scheduled to work during the Jesus camp you're trying to avoid.

Im saying that atheism doesn't have to turn you into a bad person. I agree it will affect some of your decisions, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. For example, if someone asked me to give them a little money for their church, I wouldnt mind. However if I was asked to join some of the church's services I would refuse, nothing to hostile.

I see what you're saying but I think I should eventually tell them, its a lot easier than trying to avoid it for the rest of my life

Look at rehab centers around the US. Only 5% of the patients who go through there actually come out as decent, fixed human beings. Do you honestly believe that a large majority of the human population is willing to change on their ways on the drop of a dime? Just look at yourself for this. You didn't change your views on an instant, and it's your own stubbornness to ask other people of your faith as to why things are the way that they are. If you honestly believe that we should rehabilitate the residents of hell, then you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

And what about people who make deals with the devil? Do you think that we should rehabilitate them as well? First off, we fucking can't, since they agreed to a life of that. The only reason they get punishment is because of their stupid choices in life. You don't grow to be 80 years old and willing to change your views on life on the drop of a dime. It becomes a hell of a lot harder once you get older to be willing to change yourself.

Do you also believe that we should rehabilitate pedophiles and murderers? Do you honestly believe that they can change?

To become an Atheist, you have to be stubborn and self-absorbed in your own opinions. The title of Atheist is only a reflection of your personality. The true problems lie within your character, which is what actually brought you to that stage.

The fact that you haven't asked around for help from other people of your faith proves that you're self-absorbed and stubborn.

go be a delusional faggot somewhere else

/thread

Yes of course, but not until you can support yourself.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

If your shelter and security and food relies upon you believing some fake religion bullshit... Well now you understand why religion persists and continues to persist.

OP you don't fear your Grandpa's god, you fear abandonment. God isn't going to abandon you when you stop believing, but your Grandparents might.

Being a weak atheist, it's kind of one of those things where any hypothetical God wouldn't care if I stopped believing his existence.

>he thinks a random image he found online is going to prove a single point
>he doesn't have a single argument to use against me
go back to /r/atheism

I never said that I was trying to change anyone's views, just that I disagree with them

I've got meme's for says kid

religion is a crutch for weak minds

>Nothing to gain from it, nothing to learn.
You said that you wanted people to learn from your mistakes, and the only way they can learn from your mistake is if you change their view.

days*

how's that life of atheism following for you? you capable of getting a girlfriend yet?

Happily married

try again religitard

I don't believe in the whole idea of "faith"
why believe in something if there is no evidence?

>married
>doesn't believe in marriage
you're on a next level of stupid

Where did I say that I want people to learn from my mistakes?

because if you dont believe it, you're a bad person who will be punished with eternal damnation

You look at what the bible has to say about certain subjects and then you look to the real world for examples for the proof. There's other ways of finding faith other than mashing ones and zeros in front of a computer screen all day, you know.

From their mistakes, from your mistakes, from any mistakes. Come on, man. Try putting at least some effort in following me.

If they can't fix themselves from your mistakes or someone else's mistakes, then of course they won't be capable of fixing their own mistakes.

religion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage dumbass

I got married on the beach, and I certainly didnt invite a kiddy-diddling preist.

What would a real world example look like? Explain

"I love you and I understand how hard this must be for you, but I can not make myself believe something that I do not believe in, and I do not believe in God."

You have to laugh at this promise and its alternative.

Does heaven have a money-back guarantee? Can I see a slice of heaven before I commit to it, or do I also have to believe in that sight-unseen.

Seems a little fishy. Can I sell you the deed to a bridge?

>nuh uh, it isn't part of that group because i said so
you're retarded. are you also going to say that sucking dick isn't gay? you got it from that group and made it your own, so clearly it isn't gay, right?

troll or stupidfag?

That's when OP gets thrown out on his ass. Christians are close minded fucks.

Thank you! Someone who actually helped me :)

The bible says to not follow sodomites nature and civilizations who have centered their ideals around it have fallen. There are plenty of them who have never been found by current day humans because of their eventual downfall. Civilizations like Rome, however, were known to have fallen for their sodomitic behaviors.

Are you going to say that we can't fall like them because it's 2016 next? Because trust me, humans don't work like that. We don't change based on the number that's on a calender.

Your grasp of logic is pitiful. I guess that explains your religiousness.

>lol ur dumb
why?
>cuz i said so
kk no one cares go back to your autist subreddit

Don't do it until you're out on your own OP. Your grandparents wont accept your decision. They'll either throw you out on your ass, or double down on their efforts to 'save' your soul.

His siblings never got thrown out.

Just talk to your grandpa about it. Be honest. Explain to him that you've done a lot of thinking about this and this is the conclusion you've come to. Keep it civil, don't get mad or upset if he has a hard time understanding. Tell him you're happy to talk to him more about it but you don't want to go to church or church camp.

Civilizations rise and fall for a myriad of reasons other than "sin".

A perfectly good civilization could get destroyed by disease, resource depletion, foreign invaders, natural disaster, and who knows what else goes bump in the night... not because they were naughty.

>Civilizations like Rome, however, were known to have fallen for their sodomitic behaviors.

wow your understanding of history is laughable

Rome fell for many reasons, the lease of wich was butt fuckery. They were always fated to fall because it was a plunder economy, they survived by invading their neighbors and taking their stuff. Eventually they ran out of neighbors to plunder.

Its alright, even if they try to throw me out I could still live with my mom.

You havent exactly laid out any arguments of your own.

Im just afraid that theyll ask why I decided to and I might have to bring up some points and if that happens it will probably lead to an argument

>I ignore history and only listen to what i believe was true
you welcome the barbarians at the gate and guess what will happen, they destroy your civilization. are you not even paying attention to what's happening in germany? are you that blind to your own world? well, i guess when you're autistic, sure.

because all you've done is shitpost, you fucking moron

honestly what the fuck are you guys arguing about

I don't think general christians understand their god.
I don't think they appreciate the implications Jesus' own semitic heritage would have spiritually.
They are running off a series of revisions and have added so much stuff its become a Tolkien novel that people take as some historical account.
They forget it's a spiritual doctrine and don't appreciate the metaphysical concepts in it. Yah is as real as any other god in that he exists as a logical construct and manifests himself through the host minds it occupies. A god is essentially a conceptual ego similar to that of a single person, except it doesn't inhabit a body but still acts through thousands to millions of them. Understanding it to symbolize those concepts is as real as this is going to get, as it is all essentially a psychosis whipped up by a profoundly sophisticated biomachine that stopped sleeping on grass and eating raw pine nuts a long time ago. Frankly, the existence of consciousness itself as a spontaneous spark in oblivion is divine in itself as is its intent to spread itself.

I think you need to stop worrying about what you're going to say to the census board, anyway. I think your almighty father would be much more concerned with you making the most out of your life and pursuing this purpose, and frankly wouldn't give a shit about you recalling his name. But, seeing as he exists through the people who exhibit his will, he is indeed with us all. Composed of us all actually. By virtue of this conversation even.

On that note, I don't think Yah is a bad choice as a visual aid for the zeitgeist. So fill in "christian of some sort" if you really want to then. I love the thematic atmos about how the Greek personified not global consciousness as a whole in one deity but a lot of very function-specific ones. They got a lot of romantic culture out of it.

Tell them you're happy to explain it but you're worried it might upset them. Again, just be honest. If you're getting frustrated with it, take a minute to collect yourself and your thoughts. Go slow, stay cool, and remember that they're family and they love you.

your post has nothing to do with mine

I dont believe in his magic sky dady, so he's mad

...

oh please.

my mother refused to take me to the hospital because I didn't pray to god to make the pain go away.

are you retarded or something?

If that's the case you can either tough it out and just deal with that BS until you can get out on your own or push the issue. Nothing else you can do.

no, are you?

Just be straight up with them user. If they are your family they should love and care for you regardless of your beliefs. And I mean ....Atleast your not Muslim an I right ?

>ITT: Things that never happened
we all know you only want to be an atheist to jerk off to gay porn

implying you have to be atheist for that

Iunno. Is it really that hard to imagine a Sup Forumstard had a mental mom?
Did you watch Bates Motel?

girls lie about being abused by their parents all the time to get attention from their beta boyfriends
how is this any different

Dude, it is simple:
Just tell them. (just find the balls for it) If they are good people and if they actually love you, they will accept it.
If they are shitty people, they will curse you or throw you out of their house or some shit. That sucks, sure. But it see it like this: By doing that they prove that they are shitty people. Meaning you dont want to live on with them, as they are assholes.

So really, in any case, the outcome is beneficial for you.

The key thing to understand is following: Do not place other people's lives over your own. You do not have to suffer in order for others to like you.
Doing so leads to a life of misery and unfulfilment.

Good luck, bro

I was floating that someone on Sup Forums having parental issues might not be a crazy idea. You responded by veering off into another political tangent.

Love, by a religious standpoint, is the willingness to guide those into a brighter future. That won't work in the slightest.

I was saying that people can lie, and you run away into your imaginary land where Sup Forums is a land of truth. Do you honestly believe anything that's posted here?

There was no word of religion. Only actual and real human values are the point. It comes down to the moral and intellectual core values the people have. If they suck at it, as in "YOU FILTHY ATHEIST, YOU PROBABLY ARE GAY, GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!", you'd be a complete fool to live on with such people.

What's with all the hyperbole?

He's a religitard; incapable of rational conversation.

Where do you come off as guiding people to being good as spewing off hate? Do you honestly believe that the only way to guide people is by shouting in their face? Clearly you've never even seen what people in the church even act like.

This isn't Reddit, believe it or not. People like exist to shitpost because they're autistic. OP is also one of them.

>Where do you come off as guiding people to being good as spewing off hate?

what the hell does that sentence even mean?

Sorry mate, I dont get your criticism... I feel like as if your argument just completely misses my point. No offense, its just that I dont get what youre on about. (alright, it may or may be not that I am somewhat stoned right now)

>everyone who disagrees with me is autism

Is English not your first language?

From where did you come to believe that guiding people, in a good way, is spewing off hatred?

>points out others for ad hominem
>He's a religitard; incapable of rational conversation.
good one

>the trips of tardiness

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I seriously dont get what you say yo

>I seriously dont get what you say yo
Try taking some English classes.

What the hell are you even talking about? Is this an elaborate troll?

There are plenty of ways for someone to help someone onto the right path. Shouting isn't the only way for someone to learn something.

I'm running out of may-mays for you, but seriously do you have any reason to believe in Jesus other than "Everyone who doesn't is autism"?

the only troll here is the fact that i fugged your mum last night ::^^^))))

Learn some English.

>Learn some English.

Go to reddit

Who says you have to shout?
If all people involved are decent, there is no shouting needed.
What I am saying is that you might get shouted at if they are shitty people.

Seriously, are you really this dense or are you just pretending?

>he tries to say why i believe
do you believe that everyone who is religious is automatically autistic? no? then of fucking course i don't believe that

>Shouting isn't the only way for someone to learn something.
I said that you don't have to shout. In that previous post. Did you read it? Are you this autistic?

Where did I shout? Dude, what is wrong with you?

In all honesty, I dont know what the fuck you are trying to say...

Look, all I am trying is to give you a piece of advice. Calm down yo.

What I did at a young age was send my mother an email. I wrote out an essay on why I needed liberty as an individual. I said if religion was right, I'd come back to it and it would take me. Not now, maybe later. So, I told my mom to be understandable until I could make the decision myself. Until it found me. And if you'd really like throw on some bullshit about how god always finds you. Don't take the route of trying to make her believe. You'll always lose.

>Where did I shout?
Don't drive. Trust me. You don't want to endanger those on the road with your autism.