What's his master plan?

>There's no other stories like this about him

Albini is an admitted pedophile
>Jaded as I am, I can't help but flip seeing a girl and guy of twelve or thirteen, tops, ramming Martel bottles up each other's asses. These are not the Dutch equivalent of abused trailer-park kids, either. They look to be in excellent health and seem to be honestly enjoying this. Makes all the conventional arguments against this kind of thing seem really silly. They're kids. Kids like to play with their own and other people's privates. They're just being photographed at it. Now, people who get a voyeuristic charge out of watching them, like me, I guess, well, we've got some grip-on-reality problems.
>There's maybe 1% of all pornography that has any effect on me, and it's definitely not a turn-on very often. But when it is, and it's as weird as this, it's pretty hard to take. Best and most hilarious knocked-up-and-horny- type future mom books I've seen. Hilarious pre-op TV/TS booty raunch too. Also saw one of the few authentic-dyke hardcore dildo/whole arm/tongue fuck bitch-on-bitch films I've seen. Two obviously into-it little butch foxes really going at it. Glad to see ya, gals, post-gig party is at my pad.

Forgot the link.
petdance.com/actionpark/bigblack/tourdiary/

>This goes against everything Albini says he stands for

You don't know shit about Steve Albini then. I was an intern at Electrical Audio for a very short period, you want me to tell you about the time Albini and Tim Midgett cooked up a scam to bilk the EA forum members out of $100,000?

You already did but that story is unrelated anyway?

So you know the whole story then?

Tfw I held Big Black to such high regard, then I met Sup Forums

As I recall yes. Did it have anything to do with him bossing people around in the studio?

>They look to be in excellent health and seem to be honestly enjoying this.
>Makes all the conventional arguments against this kind of thing seem really silly.
Oh wow. Fucking hell.

So he believes the conventional arguments against sexually exploiting little children are nullified because he thinks the children being sexually exploited by an adult are enjoying themselves? What a shitbag.

>you want me to tell you about the time Albini and Tim Midgett cooked up a scam to bilk the EA forum members out of $100,000?
>Did it have anything to do with him bossing people around in the studio?
No, you fucking moron. It didn't.

Whoa calm down tough guy

That's what we were talking about when you chimed in.

electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52040
chicagoreader.com/chicago/steve-albini-electrical-audio-mortgage-campaign/Content?oid=2525968
Then when they got called out on the scam Tim tried to play if off as a "just a prank"?
chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2010/10/07/that-whole-paying-off-electrical-audio-thing-never-mind
And then about a year later the money ($230,000) suddenly materialized out of thin air to pay off Electrical Audio's mortgage?
electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52040&start=620

>This goes against everything Albini says he stands for

Yeah, Steve's a real stand up guy alright.

I'm drunk and you dumb posts are pissing me off.

There's a big difference between artistic integrity and moral integrity. Your story doesn't have anything to do with the posts you keep replying to.

defeat voldemort

Cool, so you admit the turd has no moral integrity? Let's go to work on this supposed "artistic integrity" he has then. Outline it for me.

Just a general term for his recording approach. It could very well be that he just doesn't give a shit but the ends justify the means in that his approach has an artistic result i.e. "artistic integrity" which I think might as well be described as artistic consistency.

>integrity
>1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
>Tags: artistic integrity, artists, creativity, integrity, writing. Most people think of the word integrity as 'adherence to moral and ethical principles,'
So in other words you don't even know the definitions of the words you're typing. Albini can't be a hypocritical huckster and still have "artistic integrity", dumbass.

"Integrity" literally means the ends can't justify the means if the means are compromised with moral failings.

You're an idiot.

Ever heard the term structural integrity? You're the fucking idiot here. Integrity and consistency are synonymous.

Trent is a crybaby though

>structural integrity
>Albini is a load bearing wall in a building!

Oh, I it see now. You know Albini fails when it comes to "artistic integrity" (lol, the term you initially tried to use) so now you're trying to move the goalposts to "consistency" to save face.
>Albini's always been a piece of shit who pretends to be a moral beacon of light in a shady industry but isn't in the slightest!

I'm laughing hard over here, user.

Which brings us full circle back to what we were talking about before you chimed in with your spazz attack

So you admit Albini has consistently been a piece if shit and isn't a guiding moral authority in the music industry like he claims to be?

Understand that if you admit that then you also admit that he doesn't have any "artistic integrity" either because he's built his career on this fallacy.

How does he claim to be a guiding moral authority in the music industry?

I don't know why he records the way he does which is what we were asking about if there were other recording session stories like Trent's.

>How does he claim to be a guiding moral authority in the music industry?
That's his whole shtick, dummy.
>I would like to be paid like a plumber: I do the job and you pay me what it’s worth. The record company will expect me to ask for a point or a point and a half. If we assume three million sales, that works out to 400,000 dollars or so. There’s no fucking way I would ever take that much money. I wouldn’t be able to sleep.
Your posts are profoundly ignorant sounding.

You want to talk about
>other recording session stories like Trent's.
>"Steve Albini played Scrabble on Facebook almost the entire time [we were recording]. I don't even know if he remembers what our album sounds like."
In other words he's an asshole who didn't care about Cloud Nothings even when they were paying him $700 a day to record their album. Which would be worse, Albini shitting on you because he's jealous of your talent and good looks like he did with Trent or Albini not paying any attention to you because you're not a threat to his ego?

to be the ultimate producer

That story is the complete opposite of Trent's and has already been alluded to with regards to "other negative stories". Why don't you try reading the thread if you're even capable of understanding it.

>In other words he's an asshole who didn't care about Cloud Nothings even when they were paying him $700 a day to record their album. Which would be worse, Albini shitting on you because he's jealous of your talent and good looks like he did with Trent or Albini not paying any attention to you because you're not a threat to his ego?
>That story is the complete opposite of Trent's

Thanks Captian Obvious, it's not like you're a complete fucking retard or anything.

Yeah and stories like Trent's is the entire point of this conversation which you barged into hoping that anyone would give a fuck that you interned at his studio. So you giving me the complete opposite which has already been pointed out that this is known is just more of your utterly useless bullshit.

master magics five

And if he did refuse this money then he is a moral authority. If he's never been offered it then he's actually aspiring to be a moral authority not claiming to be one.

>complete fucking retard says what?
I've laughed at you enough already I think. I'm starting to think you might have some sort of brain damage to be honest.

BTFO

In light of this story lets reflect on the time Steve Albini called out Amanda Palmer for "taking advantage of her fans" with a crowd sourced fundraising campaign.

How is taking less money than a job is worth honest or moral? That's what he what he did. Explain how this works.

offer =/= worth

To fuck kids

I'm going to ask again since you didn't answer the question: how is taking less money than a job is worth honest or moral? It's a pretty simple question, surly you can easily answer it.

This was meant for you .

Are you ok?

See
Is English your second language or something? Seriously. I mean I know youre drunk but still. Maybe you're blacking out.

See

Can't answer a simple question, huh?

You've provided enough entertainment, I appreciate it.

You obviously can't understand a simple answer.

I'm going to ask it again just to rub it in since you obviously don't have a legitimate answer.

If someone offers someone a job that normally pays $10.00 per hour how would it be "honest" or "moral" to do it for $3.00 per hour?

That's not what he said. For starters he's talking about percentage royalties. That's not analogous to an hourly rate. Either way though, standard =/= value. Just because its usual does not mean it's moral. Value is most simply determined by supply and demand and Steve is more aware than anyone of his ratio.

>That's not what he said
That's exactly what he said. He's talking about taking less money that the job is normally worth.
>The record company will expect me to ask for a point or a point and a half. If we assume three million sales, that works out to 400,000 dollars or so.
>There’s no fucking way I would ever take that much money. I wouldn’t be able to sleep.
In other words the job is normally worth x but:
>There’s no fucking way I would ever take that much money.
He's literally saying he'll take less money than the job would normally pay.
>standard =/= value
Bullshit. No one pays $100 for a bottle of Coca-Cola at a convenience store just like no one pays $.02.

No one pays more than something's worth and there's nothing "moral" about undervaluing your labor to score brownie points with dumb musicians you're trying to impress with you bullshit "ethics".

You're out of your depth here, dummy.

Between honest and moral, honest is the real easy one. Are you not aware of hoarding? That is by definition dishonest. Whether or not your inventory is known. Sure honesty isn't the only way that commerce is determined but by definition if someone is hoarding for the sole intention of inflating its price through literal dishonest supply levels then it's almost redundant to say it's not honest. That is Steve's assertion that those royalty percentages are an inflated price to charge for his service.

And actually that's not true about your "Coke example." Are you not aware of price gouging?

>No one pays more than something's worth
>laughing_whores

Exceptions don't prove the rule, sorry.
>That is Steve's assertion that those royalty percentages are an inflated price to charge for his service.
Except the price isn't inflated because it's standard. So his assertion is baseless.
>The record company will expect me to ask for a point or a point and a half.
>expect
Here it is again:

If someone offers someone a job that normally pays $10.00 per hour how would it be "honest" or "moral" to do it for $3.00 per hour?

Just to be clear: if you're telling me his whole thing about taking less money than a job's worth is honest, moral, and ethical then you're going to have to explain why that's "honest", "moral", and "ethical". Saying it's "honest", "moral", and "ethical" because Steve Albini say so isn't an argument.

For example are you not aware what OPEC is? The standard is inflation. standard =/= value

You're confusing market rate with value and worth. They aren't the same thing. Would it be easier if I said inherent value? aka honest value. That was your question.

I get it, it's a simple question you don't want to answer so you're dancing all around trying to evade it.

Do you think that there's no such thing as exploitation?

lmao, another nonanswer to the question I asked.

The thing is none of that "I wouldn’t be able to sleep" bullshit was about "principles", "ethics", or "morals", it was about posturing to seem like the "good guy on your side" because that was the angle he was working (he's a good huckster, I'll give him that). If he really cared about smaller independent bands and artists he could have easily taken the money and dedicated it to that cause. Instead he plays the "principled integrity" card even though it doesn't help artists or bands that actually might need some help, but it sure makes him look good.

Albini never cared about anybody but himself and his image.

How ironic since I only asked a yes or no question.

If he has actually refused that amount of money then that's hardly just an angle. Just because he could donate the money to starving puppies doesn't necessarily excuse him to exploit someone else.

Yeah, you started asking irrelevant questions because you don't want to admit there's nothing "honest", "moral", and "ethical" about taking less money than a job usually pays, which was your original argument.

Keep trying to change the subject though.

Exploitation is literally the entire subject.

dis thread

seconding this, who cares if that nigga stole some cash took keep his studio open, Stay livin albiner!

Nope, it's not.
>exploitation
>1. the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
There's nothing unfair about accepting what a job normally pays. Who are you claiming was treated unfairly?

Was meant for

Well if you think that normal automatically means fair then we can just leave it at that.

No, we're not leaving anything "at that". Answer the question:

If someone offers someone a job that normally pays $10.00 per hour how would it be "honest" or "moral" to do it for $3.00 per hour?

If you took the $10.00 per hour who's being exploited?

Another question, taking the $10.00 per hour that would normally be paid is unfair to whom?

Reznor's a prick to begin with