Increase the minimum wage!

Increase the minimum wage!

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This is an infographic posted by Bernie Sanders Facebook page showing how many hours an individual must work per state to afford a 1 bedroom apartment.

There should be no minimum wage. MW is for people with basically zero experience - e.g. high school kids entering the workforce for the first time. Raising it creates an artificial barrier to enter the work force and gain experience that leads to better jobs/higher wages. Good Lord, White Castle down the road from me starts kids at $9/hr. It's just another scheme to artificially increase the value/wages paid to union workers, hence, it's overwhelmingly supported by Democrats.

They're going to continue to have to work that many hours too, since everything will go up in price with everyone making a minimum of 15 dollars an hour.

what artificial barrier

No minimum wage is a stupid pipe dream that underestimates how stingy companies can be

Minimum wage means even greater wealth inequality. Do you think the ceo of Carl's jr cares you can't feed your baby? No he cares that he gets paid more

Improve your minimum skill set!

How about raise the value of the dollar.

If you're such a failure in life that you lack any skilled labor capabilities or education that actually applies to an industrial, informational or scientific trade in which you need the government to force companies to pay the literally retarded people who have genuinely chosen not to do anything about their situation, you deserve to be homeless.

>Being an adult
>Working a minimum wage job
ya dun goofed

>light-blue
>make $14 an hour
>get 30 hours a weekend
>live comfortably in a two-bedroom unit
>still pay tuition and books on my own
>no debt

I'd take the pay bump, anyways.

This chart is wrong. I live in Washington and don't have to work 60 hour weeks to afford a fucking 700 dollar a month two bedroom apartment.

Also, raising minimum wage just raises inflation. It's minimum wage because you have the MINIMUM skills to do the work.

If that were true, then if we carry forward this insane monetarist logic, the "artificial" increase to wages would transmit into prices and excessive minimum wage would cause accelerating inflation. Of course there's a point where wage increases (including via the minimum wage) would drive inflation, but the fact that inflation is muted means you're full of shit.

>Be 24
>Went to College
>Got training and became an EMT
>Worked 48 hrs w/ full-time education
>$18/hr paid my tuition
>Now making $65k salary, with that guaranteed to go up to ~$85k in the next two years

I'm going to Qatar in the next 6 months, and either Germany or Japan in about a year. Losers make excuses and ask for handouts from the government.

Just to really hammer the point,
>Also, raising minimum wage just raises inflation.
Well it should be easy to find data supporting that claim then.

The barrier that I will no longer hire kids with no experience for my construction business if I have to pay them $15/hr. If I can give a couple of 16-18 year old kids maybe 20-30 hours a week from $7.50-$10 an hour, they eventually learn something and earn more money. Then maybe they can take that experience elsewhere, or at least use me as a reference. Raise the MW to $15/hr, and I no longer have time to teach you shit you need to know. For that rate, you'd better already be well versed in the basics or carpentry. Hence, a barrier is created. No experience = no job, at least with me. And my high end carpenters make well over $30/hr, so I'm not a cheap fuck. I'm willing to pay a lot for the best workers. I'm also willing to pay a little to have entry level scrubs help handle materials, do general labor and watch and learn, but I'm not paying $15/hr for some kids to unload trucks and carry boards.

You do realize that if you increase minimum wage, it's just going to make the cost of living go up therefor making the increase absolutely pointless?

Wow, look at what 8 years of what a liberal Congressional and Executive government did to the value of a dollar!

You fucking moron. How is someone on minimum wage going to rise up out of poverty if they can't afford housing, food, clothing, bills, and some form of a social life? Do you expect minimum wage workers to be homeless while they work? By not paying them anything they also don't have any money to buy goods to participate in growing our economy.

nah fam, we don't like your logic here. Have a red herring and this strawman and be on your way.

Inflation would be through the roof, so you're wrong. As soon as the wage goes up, people working for $15/hr now are going to necessarily going to have to have a huge pay raise. If you're making $15/hr busting your ass in the heat and cold as a starting guy on a roofing crew you aren't going to stick around busting your ass when you can get the same rate cooking fries. So now my $15 guy is at $20-22/hr. The guys making $22/hr are now making no more than the kid with little experience, so now he goes to $26-28/hr. And on and on... the guys stocking the shelves in WalMart are now going from $10/hr to $17.... you think bread is still gonna be $2 loaf? Nope.

You can if you want, but unemployment will go up too

>Rise up out of poverty
Do good in school, get a scholarship, join the armed forces, ther are ways other than crying that being a burger flipper at McDonalds doesn't pay good enough.
>Can't afford housing, bills, clothing, social life, food
Maybe then you shouldn't move out from mom and dad's until you can live on your own. You are creating your own problem here. And if you were kicked out, then public housing is a thing as are soup kitchens. Who the fuck pays for a social life?
>Can't participate in a growing economy
I smell a democrat here, would a participation ribbon or certificate make you feel better?

tl;dr: Get a real fucking skillset instead of being a whiny burger flipper and blaming everyone else for how you screwed up.

The only thing I'll say is, your post doesn't describe the real world as it currently exists. See the chart in which shows what's actually happened. There's a point at which wage increase transmit to price increases, but we're nowhere near that point. I don't know where that point lies, nobody does, but you're just tilting at windmills.

No. McDonald's isn't going to eat the doubled cost of each worker, the food is going up in price or there will be less people making it.

Didn't McDonalds already roll out automated registers or whatever at some stores? I remember seeing people begging for $15 / hour at McShits so they rolled out a machine to take their place.

So you're saying a company that had to pay 200 people nine dollars an hour will keep ALL those same people employed when they now have to pay fifteen dollars an hour?

You guys are silly.

Yeah, yeah they have.

Of course we haven't seen that point yet - but $15/hr is the doubling of the current wage. You think that will have no adverse effect on business? I live and pay people in the real world, so you and your Micro-Econ prof that has never had a job outside academia can suck each others cocks while waxing poetic about wage gaps and income inequality and living wages, etc... It all sounds so fucking easy until you actually have a real world budget and real world finances to deal with. It's not just "pay people more so they can live better". The real world, son, is a lot different than whatever the fuck you think you know.

The chart is heavily skewed by big cities

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Eventually they will have machines making the food it will all be automated with one or two people most making sure it all runs smoothly.

Minimum wage jobs are ment for teenagers not adults. You aren't supposed to be working a minimum wage job in your twenties if you are you fucked up your life and you shouldn't expect others to fix it for you. Go ahead and raise the minimum wage. I'll love working on the machines that replace you retards

>Minimum wage jobs are ment for teenagers not adults

How about all the time that those teenagers are in school? Should places with minimum wage jobs be closed from 8 to 4 on weekdays because those jobs are only for teenagers?

Kill yourself, you good for nothing lazy piece of shit. You get the paycheck you deserve, if minimum wage isn't enough for you, then work harder so you get a raise or find a job that pays better, you fucking idiot.

Holy shit, it's almost like it's not my job to take care of another adult!

>If you work minimum wage you should go find a better job
>All the minimum wage workers leave and now there's no more fast food, restaurants, or stores

Like it or not those jobs are a necessary part of our society, and the people who work them full-time should at least be right on the border of the poverty line

Just start a fucking YOUTUBE CHANNEL!!! Seriously I saved up for a year working a minimum wage job and invested it into equipment and now 2 YEARS later after uploading EVERY DAY I am making $5000 a month and its STILL GROWING! Seriously.... it would be stupid not to do this you lazy ass bums

Fair point. I still don't see how anyone can't get by on minimum wage. Maybe if they stopped paying for TV, internet, and that fancy smart phone they wouldn't have a problem.

Yet here I am, a kid that started at $2.85/hr in 1990 and now I own my own construction company. Quit fucking whining you fucking loser and go to fucking work. Maybe if you're 18-19 you could live with your parents for a year while you save. Protip: don't spend all the money you make on video games, iPhones and drugs. Live within your fucking means.

Get a skill. Minimum wage was not intended to support a niggress and her brood.

If they're only working that job full time then they'll probably be able to get by alright. Of course you've also got to factor in health insurance, car payments, car insurance, food, and other life expenses. And if they're trying to get an education too then that's less time they can work. It all adds up pretty fast.

>age just raises inflation.
>Well it should be easy to find data supporting that claim then.
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> Anonymous 12/28/16(Wed)17:46:49 No.716867427

And what exactly is preventing you from agreeing with your competitors to lower wages to $0.01 an hour and forcing workers to either accept your minimum wage, or not have any money at all. Like what happens in China or India?

they are on the poverty line

>doubles minimum wage
>businesses raise prices to compensate
>dollar becomes worth less than it was before

>Everybody that's worked a minimum wage job will eventually own a company
There's always going to be more minimum wage jobs than company owners or managers. It's like a food web, every level you go up there's less and less spots available. Minimum wage jobs will always be around, and saying that people who work them need to move up doesn't fit with reality. They should at least meet the poverty line

It seems to me there are a number of ways to deal with the precise situation you're dealing with while still raising the minimum wage (like exceptions to the mw if your household income is already higher than a certain point or something like that)

It's already happening without raising the minimum wage, but raising it will only drive companies to automation quicker. McDonald's already has a functioning restaurant that is completely automated. The higher the wages are driven the more incentive for the development in AI, especially in the shit teir sectors.

Reaganomics is coming back and we're all going to get screwed.

vanityfair.com/news/2016/12/a-nobel-laureate-explains-how-trump-could-nuke-the-economy

consortiumnews.com/2013/10/17/the-abject-failure-of-reaganomics/

If you're not making Atleast 100 grand a year please don't talk down to people you pleb lmao

Good, raise the minimum wage and bring the robots in. I want my futuristic society already.

And yet Reagan is a conservative hero, while they preach fiscally responsible government spending. The dude blew fuckloads of government money. And if Trump puts the tariffs he's said on chinese imports then it'll be be another recession

>All the minimum wage workers leave and now there's no more fast food, restaurants, or stores
That wouldn't happen, you moron. If all minimum wage workers stopped working because the pay is too shit, the companies will increase the wages by themselves since they need to get employees. Learn economics. Minimum wage should be abolished altogether.

B/c they would just go to McDonald's for $9. Are you that fucking stupid? Or do you think I could go into a meeting, as an owner of a company that does around $2.5M/annually and have a meeting with the CEOs of MCD, WalMart, Boeing, Etna, IBM, Google, etc... and collude to keep wages at $0.01/hr? Seriously, kid, you can't be this fucking stupid.

Because people can't just stop working because the pay is shit, and they can't all go find better paying jobs because that costs money and time if they don't already have the education, and there will always be fewer management positions than basic worker positions.

Basic supply and demand doesn't account for the necessity of holding any job, no matter how shitty it is

Yeah, that wasn't the point. The point is, if you take a shit job and work hard you're eventually going to move up the ladder. I didn't say my 'rents sent me to Harvard and I got drunk and created a social media company and was a billionaire by the age of 24. Try to understand context, user.

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This is already being discussed among the technological elite like Elon Musk. When the need for human labor is extremely diminished, we are going to need a new economic model. I hate the idea of socialism, but that is what it is looking like.

Yeah, that's what employers want, to sift through a bunch of applicants to try to verify household incomes. No, we just want to interview somebody and offer them a job with a compensation package commensurate with their skills.

And while you're working hard you should still be able to have a decent standard of living

You're going to reject a system taht could help those in need because you're too lazy to apply it?

No, fuck raising the minimum wage. Here is SoCal it's already set to be raised to something like $11+, I can't fathom the inflation we'll all see here

The minimum wage should be $0.00

If you show up with no skills, you haven't earned more than minimum wage. I assure you, if you work hard, you won't be making minimum wage for very long. See, you snowflakes all think you "deserve" something for just showing up, like you're doing us a favor. But you aren't, asshole, there's a million unskilled kids just like you. If you suck, I'll fire you your first day. If you work hard, I will increase your pay. If you really seem to have a knack for the work I'm paying you to do, I may increase your pay slightly above what you are currently worth to keep you from pursuing other opportunities. Nobody deserves anything in life. You get what you earn.

Giving me a "yearly raise" of $0.25 isnt anything

Yes they can, minimum wage jobs are the easier jobs to get. You can literally just show up at a McDonald's and start work the next day if they're hiring. It take no education whatsoever, even a 10 year old can do them. There is no excuse, if you fail at even getting them then you're pretty much a garbage human being and it's natural selection taking its course. If you still don't like the pay you're getting, then get an education (which you should have done from the very beginning instead of being a low-life minimum wage worker).

That's his point - it's the MINIMUM wage which is preventing you from fucking over your workers - because McDonalds is forced to pay $9 per hour. If there were no minimum wage, they certainly wouldn't pay that much, and both of you would go as low as you could for unskilled workers to ultimately save yourself money and screw them over.

Are YOU that stupid?

Hasn't Sheetz had that for awhile? why is it a big deal now?

Kekd at snowflakes. What should libs call you? "Big strong bulls"?

General strike, across the board, all workers... Workers of the world, unite!

>Increase the minimum wage!

try doing something that pays better than minimum wage. grow the fuck up and don't expect to live on minimum wage into social security. you assholes are going to be surprised when half of you are laid off because you insisted on the minimum wage being doubled. i'm gonna laugh my ass off.

It was a big deal because their workers were getting in a tizzy screaming "WE WANT $15 AN HOUR", and then while it was still a big thing, McDonald's quietly puts out those kiosks.

I work 50-60 hours a week.

Typically a 14 hour work day.

Make around 20 dollars an hour, worked hard for this job. And now kids at McDonalds here in NY make 10.50 an hour. This was litteral raised like last week.

The price of food, rent, utilities is slowly rising. Raising min wage isn't helping anyone at all. And I don't have a min wage job that I can riot for a higher wage. So as you fucks creep up to my pay scale, the cost of living increases, dragging down the people that actually did something for a living.

Seems like the price of housing is the problem. If the standard cost of living is lowered, then progress can be made.

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So I should burn hours of labor to verify this bullshit? No, kid, it's obvious you've never worked a day in the real world. Let me slightly decrease the quality of my life to decide if a kid should get $9 or $11. Here's the thing, if I have it in my budget to hire two additional employees at $10/hr, then I want to hire two kids for $10/hr. If I have to pay one kid $14/hr b/c his household income is under a certain amount then I'm reduced to a few choices...
A) Hire two other kids that would only need to make $10/hr, thus eliminating the $14/hr kid from consideration
B) Hire only one kid for $14/hr and be short staffed, but pocket the other $6/hr for myself
C) Say fuck it, hire one guy that already has experience for $16-18/hr.

See, the artificial barrier to enter the workforce is back in effect in all three cases. Either I hire one instead of two, or the guy with the fucked up wage is passed over.

This.

Also would like to point out that I pay 400 a month for utilities, (food, water, heat, electrical, gas, insurance) around 200 for creature comforts (internet, dinner, games) 1000 for rent, and 300 for loans.

Among other things. So I could live comfy before. But now I have to work harder for the same lifestyle.

No, you're completely wrong. McD's around here where minimum wage is $7.50 pays $9-10/hr b/c that's the going rate. Stay there for a year and you're making more. Nightshift probably pays a couple bucks an hour more. See - the harder it is to fill the position, the higher the wage. Grow the fuck up.

Housing prices are problematic, but the real problem is poverty. Desperate people do desperate things. Poverty and crime rate are directly connected.

Talk about fake. I only work 40 hrs/wk and can afford a 3 bedroom house. This is the type of fake shit liberals like to spread.

The cost of living increases anyway, whether the minimum wage gets increased or not

Don't have a shitty minimum wage job if you expect to live in a one bedroom unit. If you have a shitty minimum wage job then you're gonna have to find people to room with. I'm a college student in NY, no degree, working fulltime between semesters and partime during semesters making 2.25 over minimum wage. I work hard, but that's what I have to do because I didn't get a degree yet. That's life.

Absolutely. It's not just MW that raises cost of living. Hell I've seen oil companies take over housing and crank up rent by 4-5 times.

>And I don't have a min wage job that I can riot for a higher wage.

Hmmm, sounds like a good argument to bring unions back...

That's what my wife calls me. My generation doesn't really give a fuck what the snowflake and the baby boom generation calls us as we think you're all a bunch of fucking pansy ass jerk offs. Call us whatever the fuck you want.

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I've mostly seen metropolitan liberals supporting raising the min wage, hard to figure out why when all they do is gentrify their own fucking neighborhoods.

People deserve housing, food, and transportation so they can get to their jobs. If the government has to provide help so that people can afford those then capitalism has failed them

Your degree means literal nothing.

"Well, for Reagan, things didn’t quite go as planned. The deficit soared, growth slowed, inequality grew, those in the middle saw their incomes stagnate, and those at the bottom saw their incomes fall. The economy began its rapid deindustrialization, but nothing was done to help those whose jobs were destroyed. Thus was born the “displaced middle”—the group of angry middle-aged white men who seem to have been central to Trump’s campaign."

What the fuck?? According to that map you can make your rent in 1.5 weeks in California doing 60 hours a week. What is the problem? You still have 3.5 weeks to make money for food and shit. What a stupid ass skewed as shit map.

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How can anyone be this dumb?

>McD's around here where minimum wage is $7.50 pays $9-10/hr b/c that's the going rate.

Exactly, because they have to stay somewhat competitive by paying slightly ABOVE the minimum wage. If the minimum wage were $2.50, they'd be paying $5.00. If there were no minimum wage, they'd be paying as little as they could get away with - and so would you. Again, this screws over unskilled workers.

But don't you know that Unions are the reason for everything shitty with industry? Like 40 hour work weeks, vacation time, and decent pay. Everyone knows that before unions businesses treated people kindly and didn't take advantage of them

What? I'm right. Please explain yourself.

I live in Arizona, and they just raised the minimum wage to $10. Where I live teachers usually make $12 an hour and there is already a teacher shortage. Now prices of products is going to raise and less jobs(fast food) to go around in order for business owners to compensate.

I honestly meant I CANT riot for higher wage. Typo.

And no I don't work in a union shop. Don't get me wrong I love my job. And loved my wage. But now I'm beginning to get stuck in a situation where I may need more work.

Yeah, my guys work anywhere from $7.50 (unskilled teenagers in the summer doing some grunt work and being taught as they earn the opportunity to learn) up to $37.50 for high end finish guys. If you're working a job for a year and only get $0.25 raise, you obviously haven't made yourself valuable to your employer.

Do you not get it that many studies have linked poverty with increased crime? The more that people in the workforce (yes this includes minimum wage workers they pay taxes too) are subjected to living in poverty the more the cycle of shit happens. Not everyone has the opportunity to just going from nothing to having everything. Some people work extremely hard and don't get rewarded for it and end up just barely getting by the rest of their lives. If it were just as simple as keeping low wages to "motivate" people to become wealthy then we wouldn't have slums and ghettos.

And yet I'd bet that the majority of Trump supporters still love Reagan...