ITT: Deus Ex Machina's

ITT: Deus Ex Machina's

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Doesn't really count as a Deus Ex Machina as a good portion of the film is dedicated to Aragorn going to collect them and make them fight. It's not as though they appeared out of nowhere to save the day with no explanation.

agreed. OP is a black person trying to fit in.

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this gonna be a surpopulated got thread in a second

Does the end of Apocalypto, with the conquistadors, count then?

No, but the eclipse does.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, can it really be denied that their presence and invincibility in combat sucks out all the tension from the battle?

they disappear and dont really end the overall conflict. so no.

I disagree! The eclipse was predicted, since the Aztecs (or Mayans or whatever they were) were expert astronomers and were able to predict such events with extreme precision. It is not at all as unexpected as the ending with the arrival of Europeans... You're welcome

It has the same negative impact on the viewer as DEM: in one swift moment all the plot and conflict buildup is negated by an outside solution.

In ROTK, Rohan, Gondor, and Gandalf's efforts suddenly become important only as a stall before the invincible ghost army (which the viewer doesn't emotionally care about) arrives. It's a lazy conflict solution and bad storytelling.

Why didn't Aragorn keep the undead army for just a little bit longer? It's not like he promised to release them at a specific time after a single battle. He could have easily used them to steamroll through Mordor and annihilate Suaron's army and then release them. Seeing as how the ghost army wrecked the vastly larger orc army in only a few minutes, it probably would have only taken an extra hour or so. The ghosts would still have been released that same day and there would have been no need to risk the lives of all the remaining soldiers in a suicidal final gambit at the black gate.

>It's not like he promised to release them at a specific time after a single battle.
He did tho

how did he know the magical words to release them?

Through the magic of screenwriting.

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Dei Ex Machinae
or
Dei Ex Machina

All he says is "Fight for me and I will hold your oaths fulfilled." He doesn't specify how many battles they will have to fight. And these undead fucks have been living in a mountain for hundreds of years, right? Surely they could wait one more day to be freed? Its not like it would actually take any effort for them to win one more battle.

This is a legit Deus Ex Machina, but it's totally intentional as such.
Which makes it a lot more tolerable

Every single Harry Potter with the exception of Half-Blood Prince because the conflict isn't really resolved at the end of that one.

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What about Prisoner of Azkaban?

It's actually more of a Chekhov's Gun thing since the eagles were present from TFotR

>Time Turner

That's like saying using a gun to shoot the bad guy is a Deus Ex Machina.
It's a tool and they use it

Best use of Deus Ex Machina's are when they are intentionally comedic.

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Chekhov's Gun in theory. Becomes a sort of Deus Ex Machina since we don't know that Hermione had it on her the entire time (or rather what it does) until it's used to resolve their dilemma.

Depends on whether the gun comes out of nowhere
See:

There was no magic incantation, he was Isildur's heir and only he could release them from their oath.

This fucking thing

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overlaps wirh McGuffin. The spirit things coming out of it can be deemed literal Dei Ex Machina

Because they would just go "fuck off Aragorn" and not fight for him a second time. They were already grumpy is it was for figthing 1 battle. Imagine 2

Gimli says just that, but it is not honorable.

kinda nitpicky.

But adds much more thrill and excitement as you cheer him on after all the shitstorm.

Tension isn't the only thing and there can be something at the other side of it.

OP never asked for this.

but the little girl also prophesied that the europeans would arrive and wipe them out

They really dropped the gun on that last battle, I don't know what they were thinking

It's why ROTK is the worst of the trilogy

Except it was part of the plot, not an outside solution.
Saying that it's equivalent to a DEM would be like saying the Battle of the Morannon being ended by Frodo destroying the ring was equivalent of a DEM.

Pretty sure Deus shouldn't be pluralised.
So my bet would be on Deus ex Machinae

Because he was raised in the house of elrond, his great great great uncle, who maintained the keepsakes and lore of Aragorns people.

All he had to do was declare that their oath was fulfilled.

A deux ex machina has to be unexpected for it to be a DEM. If your story actually introduces elements that forewarn of the mechanic that shows up later then its not a fucking DEM.

They spend like 15+ minutes screentime going to the undead army, bringing up their oath, transporting them and then having them show up. It's not a DEM.

The eagles show up and participate at the battle at the gates, just a brief flight from the slopes of Mt. Doom. Gandalf would have known upon their success that Frodo and Sam would need rescuing so he sent the eagles there. Not a DEM.

You can argue all you want that in either case it's bad *storytelling* / writing, but they're not DEMs.

I figured they're in like a horrible purgatory and would love to stop being undead fucks given the chance.

>He doesn't specify how many battles they will have to fight.
He didn't have to. They were cursed because they did not rally to battle when originally asked. Their terms of bondage were for a single battle.

And it goes without saying that they are an object lesson in what happens when you break your word in middle earth. So its obvious why aragorn didn't try to keep them.

The real Deus Ex Machina in ROTK were the Eagles.

No they aren't.

The only time they came close was when Gandalf jumped off Orthanc.

That would have been a DEM if they hadn't shown the part of him sending off the butterfly and then it showing up again just before he jumped. That let you know that something was coming to help even if you didn't know it was specifically an eagle.

Because the lord of the rings, in book format, is one story divided into three volumes. They aren't really stand alone. If you go get your copy of the return of the king sauron and the conflict is resolved before the halfway mark. Everything else is just resolving all the other loose plot threads of the story.

I love the scouring of the shire and the whole journey home, but adapt it cinematically and it adds another 40 minutes to the runtime of the movie and fucks the pacing up something fierce. Not to mention enough people already complain about how long and stopey-starty the ending is already.

>You're welcome
Pretentious neckbeard is seeping from this post.

Gandalf didn't use the moth in the theatrical release of ROTK.

Yes he did.

>more tolerable because it's intentional
You guys love that LOTR dick in your mouths.

When?

1:34:21

the part where he uses the moth

But it does have the same negative impact as a DEM, although Frodo destroying the ring doesn't.

The apostrophe does not pluralize.

If the undead men in LOTR so imba why the fuck did they just sit on their asses doing nothing instead of wrecking everybodys shit up?

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Just pause at C:UCK:OLD

No, it doesn't. It's just a parallel plot re-entering the main plot-line, which is literally the point of parallel plots.

>C:UCK:OLD
I cringe every time someone uses this word like the Socially Conditioned Goy they are.

Explain why it ruins the movie then.

Yeah this, not OP's pic

It doesn't.
You're just retarded.

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this whole tv series.

yep

Except it does, and you're simple.

>But the ‘consolation’ of fairy-tales has another aspect than the imaginative satisfaction of ancient desires. Far more important is the Consolation of the Happy Ending. Almost I would venture to assert that all complete fairy-stories must have it. At least I would say that Tragedy is the true form of Drama, its highest function; but the opposite is true of Fairy-story. Since we do not appear to possess a word that expresses this opposite – I will call it Eucatastrophe. The eucatastrophic tale is the true form of fairy-tale, and its highest function.
>The consolation of fairy-stories, the joy of the happy ending: or more correctly of the good catastrophe, the sudden joyous ‘turn’ (for there is no true end to any fairy-tale): this joy, which is one of the things which fairy-stories can produce supremely well, is not essentially ‘escapist’, nor ‘fugitive’. In its fairy-tale – or otherworld – setting, it is a sudden and miraculous grace: never to be counted on to recur. It does not deny the existence of dyscatastrophe, of sorrow and failure: the possibility of these is necessary to the joy of deliverance; it denies (in the face of much evidence, if you will) universal final defeat and in so far is evangelium, giving a fleeting glimpse of Joy, Joy beyond the walls of the world, poignant as grief.

Theyd be fucking cooked and suffocated that close to the lava. The Eagles probably wouldn't be able to fly over that hot air either.

ITT: Retards who have no idea what Deus Ex Machina is.

they are magic eagles

Why shouldn't Deus be pluralised? In Greek and Roman theatre there was the theoretic possibility of a LOT of gods saving the day.

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In regards to your pic, I think there was an opening where construction was being done that the T-Rex got in through, I always figured she kept following the scent of the humans since she got a tasty meal out of the lawyer (and you kind of hear her following them when they're climbing over the fence).

True, but the term is still Deus ex Machina, not Dei ex Machina.
So while the existence of multiple gods is possible, the term itself only specifies one god.

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In the book, they can't actually fight. They just scare the living shit out of the orcish forces, disrupting their lines so that Aragorn and the legions of men he recruited from the coastal settlements (not depicted in the film) can ambush them.

In the film, they are definitely a deus ex machina, where in the film, they're just a plot device cementing the "Return of the King" as only the king of Gondor could free them of their oath.

>nobody took his poster off of his wall for TWENTY (20) years

That's more like a "Chekov's gun" since it was established that Andy asked Red for a hammer and a poster earlier in the movie.

The Aliens in War of the Worlds dying to Earth bacteria.

To be fair he got along pretty well with the warden and guards for many years so he probably had the whole thing ready for several years before escaping, I always figured that he had other tools at his disposal after the initial hammer that let him dig easier.

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It's still a Deus Ex Machina since the movie did not really imply that the T.Rex was near the main building. We didn't even hear it came in, it just came out of the blue.

something unexpected =/= deus ex machina
the T-Rex was around plenty of times before and they just got away from it/lost track of it for a few hours

Pretty much all of the dinosaur encounters were happenstance, maybe with the exception of the raptors in the first place. The characters already had bad luck running into dinosaurs at the worst moment half a dozen times, so them lucking out for once isn't so crazy

A deus ex machina would be them running into Hammond secret collection of heavy machine guns, or finding a helicopter pad in the middle of nowhere, or the military arriving out of fucking nowhere to rescue them at the last second

FINDS

DEM is something unexpected that saves the day. You be trolling.

explain!

???

you're not really likely to find any 'true' desu ex machina in modern stories because writers are too aware of it, and all it takes to change a machina to a chekov's gun is to edit an earlier scene so that it's already 'in the room.'

though if there's a chekov's gun that has no purpose in the story apart from waiting around to resolve the ending, it's basically a dem even if it doesn't look like one

no, DEM is when the situation is resolved by a previously unestablished outside force meaning nothing the characters did really mattered

in Signs the aliens invade Earth, all of the characters stayed holed up in their house for the entire movie, and at the end it conveniently turns out that splashing water on the aliens kills them. that's DEM. Hell, go back to Wizard of Oz where the same thing happens, water just magically kills the Wicked Witch even though it's never previously or subsequently mentioned why this may be the case.

In Star Wars Han Solo comes in at the last moment to help on the attack on the Death Star and saves Luke. That isn't DEM because 10 minutes earlier Luke was trying to convince him to stay and it follows logically from the situation and the characters.
Same thing goes with T-Rex popping up when they're on an island overrun with dinosaurs everywhere. It's unexpected, but entirely makes sense within the context of the setting

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I kek'd.

Stop posting that because it's already a thing.

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Applying logic to it does not make it less of a DEM if you look at it plot wise.

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Harry Potter and the Chamber of secrets.
That sword literally came out of the blue

this, I think most people just forgot that part, does that happen on the some movie or in the previous one?

We're still talking about different films here. And if each film discussed makes use of ONE Deus Ex Machina, several films will make use of several Dei Ex Machina or even Dei Ex Machinae.