So what exactly led to the disappearance of guitar music (outside country) after the mid-2000s?

So what exactly led to the disappearance of guitar music (outside country) after the mid-2000s?

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Guitarists have simultaneously bought into the jazz / blues belief that music comes from feeling and emotion more than knowledge, and the punk belief that skill is irrelevant.

Guitarists are completely opposed to anything that resembles practice or improvement because "Hendrix never knew theory, man. All I need to do is learn the riffs to my favourite Oasis songs!"

Obviously, style is more important than skill, but without skill, you're always going to be limited to doing the same tired shit as every other guitarist.

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except neoclassical metal guitarists amirite? ;^)

john mayer? john mayer.

Nu metal/post grunge was so shitty that an entire generation of kids failed to take up the torch of rawk.

"Wow, Scott Stapp is so fucking awesome. I want to be just like him when I grow up."

-- said no 13 year old ever

The domination of electronic based music.

You think Gene Simmons was right when he said rock got so boring from the 90s onward that people quit listening to it?

electronic music becoming more popular and fresh after umpteen years of guitar music being the dominant style. Combine that with increased homogenization of rock and metal bands (mainly on part of labels) and very few and far between acts doing anything fresh or doing a new take on X metal subgenre, add in a healthy dose of "le rawk is dead", "le medal is dying" memery from the rock/metal camps no less, and you are where you are now.
TLDR; meme responsibly

Electronic isn't real music though.

- the overdoing of guitar riffs and solos in the previous years that made them annoying

- the fact that most guitar players remains facinated with old rock and blues stuff, refusing to update their playing and sounds to fit the growing electronic scene (bass players fits in there very well, singers too, even wind instruments managed to get their place)

- the gear that doesn't really keep up: the industry is frozen in the past with vintage stuff, tube amps and analogic pedals that strugles to compete with a goddamn laptop. I know Line6, Kemper, Fractal and others have tons of modern products in their catalogues but guitar players are more into the "ol' good stuff" ... and that's an other reason that gives them an hard time to fit in contemporary music.

- The range. Lately we have seen stuff exploring deeper and deeper sonic territories, big bass are the rule of thumb and the conventional guitar place is more in the middle/high middle ... where the voice is.
If you look at guitar centered music today is likely to have extended range guitars like 8 or 9 strings, bands like "Animals as Leaders" or "Periphery" have guitar parts that heavely rely on bass-like techniques and sounds.

- The time. This can be applied to every other instrument: guitar takes time to master, and takes a lot of daily workout like a sport.
The opponents are dj-producers with laptops, that can get a finished product (that can be reproduced without rehearsing it a thousand times) in a matter of days, and the softwares to produce music bypass completely the physical part.
This "easy access" thing, gives to youngsters the chance to make fresh ideas into something much faster and much better, while when you start to learn an instrument you have to deal with a hard learning curve that will prevent you for a long time to have a direct line of comunication between your creativity and the actual sound you are making with your hands.

>the gear that doesn't really keep up: the industry is frozen in the past with vintage stuff, tube amps and analogic pedals that strugles to compete with a goddamn laptop

Problem was years of trying too hard to appeal to baby boomer nostalgia rather than move forward. You can't keep playing 1971's music forever.

>the overdoing of guitar riffs and solos in the previous years that made them annoying

Eh? Nobody still did that in the 2000s; solos were deprecated.

its not gone its just not as popular

Well, consider back in the 80s when there was a flood of new technology. That era was ridiculed by purists because it wasn't blues rawk played through a tube amp.

>Eh? Nobody still did that in the 2000s; solos were deprecated.
The world doesn't work like that, decade by decade, the things you are seeying now are the result of stuff that was going a long time ago.
While Glam Metal was a thing only in the 80's, we still had to deal with that shit years after.
Grunge was a big thing in the 90's but ... was it? I am from europe and Nirvana kinda came around when those who liked it as kids growned up into more influential personalities in the 2000's.
If VH1 keeps blasting Guns & Roses right now, you can bet someone else was blasting some guitar shit 10 years ago.

Guitar music being out of the mainstream is fine, the niche stuff still reaches the target audience. There is still new, creative stuff being played in rock/metal, but you have to be willing to search for them.

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Take Samantha Fish. Well, she's very good at sounding like circa 1972 Tony Iommi, but that's not exactly what the kids today are feeling, and most of the dudes at her shows are over 45.

To quote Eddie Van Halen--"I loved Hendrix and Page and Clapton, but I didn't play like them, I created my own style."

It's not gone, it just sucks now so no one listens to it.

How is it not? Really man, fuck off. I hate the sound of electronic, but it is music.

Right...and worse because Hendrix/Page/Clapton's heyday was only 10-15 years earlier when Van Halen were at their peak. Today they're almost 50 years in the past, yet people still can't move beyond them?

Probably. Easy as it might be to hate on Kiss, they were the first rock band that a lot of Gen Xers were exposed to and quite a few guitarists (eg. Dimebag Darrell) said that Ace Frehley was the guy who first made them want to pick up a guitar.

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Kurt Rosenwinkel, Tom Ibarra, Allan Holdsworth, Bireli Lagrene, Nels Cline, Pat Martino, John Scofield. Just to name a few. Not all of them are entirely unknown though.

See earlier point. Early 2000s rock was so bland and shitty that kids had no desire to emulate it. People underestimate just important playing cool guitar solos or having a cool, edgy image is to motivate the kids. Nickelback were not cool or edgy.

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>disappearance of guitar music

Maybe its just (you)

This is a pretty cringy meme. Guitar never disappeared, it's just sharing the space of popular music more than it used to. Besides, even some of the non "guitar music" genres will still use guitar at times, like electronic or R&B.

Maybe he was talking about contemporary sounding stuff, and not something that belongs to the goddamn 70's like Derek Trucks.
I mean he is good, don't get me wrong, but his music it's just not from this century.

This guy:
understood what OP was talking about, and got it right

^This. Seems to be alive and well with a lot of people out there enjoying it. Why arent you OP?

The "guitar music" from 3:30 on is fabulous.

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>goddamn 70's like Derek Trucks

yes, because quoting Nusrat Khan is so 70s...His music IS from the here and now - if you could pull your head out of your ass you might actually understand that. Just because he doesnt use lasers and sample death grips doesnt mean is music isnt in the present tense. Acknowledging history and yet crafting your own unique sound and style puts him firmly in the present and a sound refutation of OPs original claim.

Or like someone else, Samantha Fish.

because OP only cares about what shit p4k is shutting down his throat
even AM has like 400m plays on youtube

That might have been the case 15 years ago, but boomers are getting old and gradually less and less important as a marketing demographic.

>Acknowledging history and yet crafting your own unique sound and style

All the classic rock giants worshiped Chuck Berry and Jimi Hendrix but still moved the needle forward. At some point along the way, everyone forgot how to do that.

There's nothing wrong sounding like an old record, but to be a "present time" work it needs more than just be labelled "2017" on the back of the album.

>There's nothing wrong sounding like an old record, but to be a "present time" work it needs more

But it doesnt sound like an "old record". Its fresh and new. So your point as it relates to DT is moot and the OP's claim false.

...unless of course, you dont consider it "new" unless it uses auto-tune, rap lyrics and drum machine beats...then yea...you got me. LOL

So what exactly lead to the disappearance of DnB? Why is that not popular amongst (pardon my meme) normies?

Dude listen to Tosin Abasi, that's frikking present time.

Probably the prevalence of dubtechno desu, google it if you don't believe me

So what exactly led to the disappearance of quill and parchment and carrier pigeons (outside historians) after the mid-2000s?

>unless it uses auto-tune, rap lyrics and drum machine beats

Thats sounds like Billy Gibbons new solo album- LOL! its great new guitar music! OP is clueless.

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I 've listened to him a lot- he great...but how is it "new" just sounds like Steve Vai. Passion and Warfare is 25yrs old.

That is a good question, I guess RnB slowly mutated into whatever you call Rihanna's stuff.
Actually black pop music was always good at embracing new fads and changed accordingly: it started with the Motown Rhytm&Blues, got to the good disco funk like Rufus, implemented jazz and fusion harmonies with the 80's stuff like Anita Baker, got more friendly with the 90's voice superstars, then the early 2000's first electronics like the first Kelis album ...
I mean you can clearly see the common elements, but you can also appreciate the effort of being open to changes.
Even if most of the time it wasn't really that good (the late 90's were kind of horrible for black music, quality wise)

Has it really gone away? When I'm at a party seems like all the normies still love rock music like the Strokes, Killers, Arctic Monkies,etc

I mean DnB, drum and bass. But as for your answer since you clearly took the time to typpe it out, I agree it was cheesey and was never good (RnB that is) but you'd be supprised how many people from the UK still listen to it exclusively.

holy shit that was hilarious. He is a genius. Long live the beard.

> just sounds like Steve Vai

Now I am absoloutely sure you NEVER listened to him, because he doesn't sound anything like Steve Vai.
Plini sounds like Vai (a lot like Vai), but Abasi sounds like nobody in the rythmic parts or in the composition, while in the solos sometimes he reminds me of Allan Holdsworth.
Still his music is full of classical influences, electronic, funk and odd time signatures.
The proof is Abasi's music stands out so unique that the fans doesn't really have any "backup band" to listen too.
He doens't even really fit in the "Djent" genre, since all the other Djent bands really sucks.
I am not really a big fan of Abasi, but I have to give to him the fact that he is the present turn for electric guitar, and since the last one was in the mid 90's with Tom Morello you should be aware that it doesn't happen frequently.

ooops, I misreaded, you were talking about Drum and Bass XD
Well didn't D&B naturally evolved into glitch stuff?
I can still hear some D&B influences into Squarepusher music

>Now I am absoloutely sure you NEVER listened to him

well...just goes to show you cant be too sure...because your hubris failed you. Not only do I have multiple albums but I saw him live with Vai. Hes like cross between Vai and FutureMan...

Then you clearly don't have the ears and the intellectual skills to tell the difference.
They probably all sounds alike to you the moment they goes faster then a bluesman and put both hands on the fretboard.

My friends GF went with us to Generation Ax- upon departure "they all sounded the same" LOL.

LOL- yea- thats its. Abasi puts Passion and Warfare as his favorite guitar album and yet somehow he is completely different and sounds nothing like him-

I can easily discern between the 2 but there are in the same musical pocket. Thats why they shared the stage all tour.

Of course, and that's why Al DiMeola and Paco DeLucia made a tour and an album togheter, right? Because they were both in the same musical pocket.
And Kurt Cobain mentioned The Beatles several times as one of his major influences and that's why they are so alike.
LOL

go look up ryms chart of the 2010s

The 80's with their overblown guitar heros playing "epic" solos made it annoying to see some retarded pulling faces on stage

...and thus to say Abasi "doesnt sound anything like Steve Vai" is an inaccurate statement as in false, not true.

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Embarrassing, reminded me of this for some reason, old farts like these should be euthanized
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Dude- they are both shredders. Most people would not be able to tell them apart. You are obviously a musical genius and thus your advanced training and subtle hear can hear yuge differences. Either way they are still wankers that sound the same to most people and most people have no interest in.

WTF you talking about?- hot chicks, cool cars and Bad Ass Billy Gibbons...its fucking genius.

>hot chicks, cool cars and Bad Ass Billy Gibbons
LMAO what a brainlet

>LMAO what a brainlet

LMAO what a sissy cunt LOL.

following your feelings and emotions first is more limited and tired than relying on theory by the book?

The answer is simple if you think about it. The guitar is a very male centric thing and around the mid 00's most men were universally able to torrent/ DL their favourite music without paying. Girls are more likely to buy music so we are left now with a musical zeitgeist consisting of homogeneous, dancey, female centric music. Guitar music just isn't part of the pop landscape...but there's still great guitar music being made. Unknown mortal orchestra, Tame Impala, Swans, Mac Demarco etc.

Tldr: Only females buy music/ guitar bows out culturally.

OK Cletus

>so smart he castrates himself and lets his wife get fucked by a black bull

Ahh yes, here we have the nu-male in his natural habitat. Hating old white men on the internet.

Nigga I AM the black bull, old viagra addicted bald white manlets are literally inferior to me

Haven't heard something on the guitar that I felt was unique or interesting in a long time. Gorguts or Mac Demarco maybe

MUH KNAWLEDGE OF MUZIK

>ol' good stuff

I sort of hope the guitar dies, and more emphasis is placed on other instruments.

I'd say all of this plus the fetishization of guitars by guitarists instead of loving the instrument. So much focus on right make, model, year, and rarity of the specific object of the guitar makes it harder for new players to talk to people who care about the instrument.

>tfw there are $20,000 solid body electric guitars

You need theory to back it up though.

Yeah man, I've been playing Smoke On The Water very passionately for the past 20 years.

>people constantly talking about tone of the wood
>best sounding is also rarist and most expensive
>most guitar fanatics will insist that you can "really hear the difference"

>masters of their craft who've made millions of dollars from their music are inferior to me

>btw, check out muh new album on soundcloud dawg. I recorded it on my computer mic and ripped pre-recorded samples

Chick-friendly music has always made vastly more money/radio play since time immemorial.

70 year old dudes are not the answer to rock's future.

All rock legends started out playing in their garage at some point.

Lack of interesting things to innovate with. We got the Wah, Fuzz, Chorus, Uni Vibe etc. All been used to death nothing new sounding

See There's new equipment and sounds alright, but too many people are hung up on fetishizing the 70s.

Eh, deep, crunchy guitar has been the norm since Nirvana. That's hardly new.

I guess so, but its not fresh.

It sucks.

Yeah. Ian Curtis dancing is pure feeling, Michael Jackson dancing is feeling and a shit ton of practice. Ian Curtis dances like a drunk uncle at a wedding reception, Michael Jackson has style.

Feeling and emotions get you fucking nowhere if you don't have the skill and knowledge to do anything interesting or unique.

>70s sounds are not fresh
Duh? You wouldn't have played like Scotty Moore in the 70s and he was only 20 years in the past at that time, not over 40 years.

Your point is ?
I'm just saying that guitar gear has gone stale

>I'm just saying that guitar gear has gone stale

It really hasn't though, you can buy modern-style equipment but too many people just want to sound like Jimmy Page.

>Implying modern style isn't just the same shit

The guitar solo is the autotune voice of tomorrow.

According to whom...?

Playing, not point-and-clicking.

I don't get people who genuinely enjoy producing electronic tracks. I use a lot of synthesiser but can't stand working with softsynths, it feels far too disconnected.

I know. All the back in the 80s, Kiss had an album Animalize which was so titled because as Paul Stanley put it, "Too much music these days is made with computers. I wanted to make a point that pressing buttons to make music is no fun."

i don't get it... why not use both
should make for some pretty interesting music.

Guitar is a harmonic instrument. The modern pop audience has no use for harmony and little use for melody. That's how they've been programmed.