Pro-choicers are sociopaths and autists who don't need to pass their genes on anyway

Pro-choicers are sociopaths and autists who don't need to pass their genes on anyway

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You go first since you literally haven't given an argument to be rebuked

How about we just take the parasitic child out of the mother, and let the free market do its thing?

It's not a human being until it speaks words.
Discuss.

Well it's a paradox. I'd be pro-life but I think anyone who's pro choice doesn't need to procreate
How about we've known what causes pregnancy for thousands of years

Does that mean we can exterminate libtards and radfems?

Not sure how to feel about abortion. On the one hand it's killing children, but on the other it gives women a choice..

Nigger that's a retarded argument
That's like saying a plant isn't alive until its leaves sprout
Have you ever heard of a fucking seed before?

I'm down for that either way

Also cucks and niggers

But are seeds plants? Are eggs birds?

Yeah, I'm just saying, we don't kill the kid, we just take it out of the mother before it's born and one way or another, the problem will solve itself.

I'm pro abortion
Keeps the nigger population down and gives women time to choose when they want a baby so it doesn't grow up degenerate
Who the fuck cares if you're literally killing children causing them pain in the process
It's the same thing with circumcision

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When there's literally no space left on Earth because numbnuts like you don't believe in curbing things like teen pregnancy, then I really want to hear your input on how to fix THAT problem. Mother nature never thought we would be so good at surviving and reproducing.

Of course seeds are fucking plants you autist
Eggs are birds too, if they're fertilized
Both are just undeveloped

Abortion should have always remained as the good lord intended.....for brown people.

Who isn't an autist these days?

I have a solution
Just abort all babies of unmarried/unengaged mothers automatically
And if they have the baby in secret take it away and foster it

Witnessed

Why would you keep a child you DO NOT WANT and who will DESTROY YOUR LIFE just for the SAKE OF A MADE UP RULE ?

I'm pro choice but I don't support abortion in it's current state. Meaning, I have no problem with the medical procedure of abortion, but I am against the fact that my tax money pays for it. If abortion is "none of my concern as a man," then why is it "100% of my concern" to pay for it? Eliminate funding to Planned Parenthood. Make these trash bag whores who get them pay for it themselves. Okay? That is all ;)

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I agree with you about aborting niggers but you should probably construct better arguments desu

When plants and birds start communicating with us using spoken language, I'll call them human beings, too.

I witness greatness, and I tip my fedora in respect

Are you the guy that makes the anti Trump threads?

Pro choice does not mean anti life. Pro life means anti choice. anti freedom of the individual. Pro fetishising biological processess. favouring single celled organisms over rational human beings.


pro life is the autist mentality. It also tends to be associated with those who at teh same time as being anti abortion are also anti all the social care and help packages that would help the non aborted poor kid not to become a criminal and drain on society - - they tend to be sociopathic in all their other social policies.

so basically, your initial idea is bullshit/ needs a hell of a lot of support

Why would you create a child you don't want?

Reproduction isn't this huge mystery anymore

Wouldn't you rather pay for a single abortion versus life in jail for some degenerate nigger baby who was supposed to be aborted but the mother was too poor?

>didn't read post, don't care
but
>literal free market results in company-towns and rampant pollution
Or is it your specific definition of free market, fascist?

Well one day you'll have sex and realize how nice it is

nope? It's common sense dude there is literally no valid rational argument to answer my question

alive and human being are not the same thing. A human egg and sperm are both alive. combined and as a fertilised egg they are also alive - but none of the above are human beings, and they do not have the same moral value as a fully functional rational human being.

anyone who does not see the difference is morally inept or retarded.

Because we don't educate teens on how to fuck properly so they keep getting pregnant and legitimately don't know why

I agree with That
I'm just saying that the guys speak argument is actually retarded

This is another problem dude, it's not a valid argument. Or else, what if the woman was raped then ?

I'm not an Anarcho-Capitalist, so I believe that government is a necessary evil. But we should restrict it as much as possible. But we also need to make it a LITTLE bit harder for large corporations to become a monopoly and control everything that goes on (since everything is privatized.) So yes, in a sense, these corporations would eventually become fascist. But like that I said, that's why I believe in some restrictions.

I disagree with the pro-choicers too--except for instances of rape, etc.
However, friend, you lose all credibility when you blanket them as "sociopaths" and especially "autists".
I don't think you even realize that "austists" account for nearly all the geniuses throughout the history of this planet and most of the major advancements in technology. People sound very unintelligent when they use "autism" with the equivalent of "retarded" (while not condoning use of the latter either as people can't help how they are born) as autists are often (by far) significantly smarter than the rest of the population.

tl; dr
You've done a bad job of making your point and use words you obviously don't know the meaning of.

Genius you've cracked the case.

So at what point does it go from being "alive" to being a human being. Last time I checked it takes a long time for people to become "fully functional rational human beings," and some never do. I must be in the retard category

What if we used the unwanted babies for the military?

The mothers still have their choice of not raising their kids, but we throw them in some Spartan-II type of project and get some use out of it.

given that there is never such a thing as a free market - anything else you say is based on fantasy, falsehood and lies.

and to be honest, your view is nt about free markets - it is about not paying for the goods of a civil society that you want to leech off. you are not a libertarian you are just a leech who does not want to pay for the cost of living in a decent community.

greatness - the chance occurance of a pseudo random number.

you are not great. I do not in any way respect you.

People don't lose credibility just because they make you cry, autist.

this only correct response itt

>retard confirmed

If you're pro-life you won't want tumors being killed. Cancer is alive.

Guys, i found a nigger in our thread.

Sounds like you're on board with terminating a pregnancy to prevent the spreading of faulty genes; are you trying to make an argument for or against pro-choicers? I can't tell

Don't have anything better to do Bernie?

So giving free abortions to whores is what it takes to live in a decent community. KEK

Okay, friend. You sound real smart. Thanks for proving my point. Everyone has seen it now. Op is literally retarded. No surprise.

End of thread
Nothing more to see here
Everyone is communicating with OP--a proven, literal retard

If I get raped and impregnated at 15 or something, do I have to keep the baby?

Capitalism by definition creates at least two archetypes and therefore cannot be anarchist.
I know that it's widely accepted as a position, but so is village idiot.

yes you bitch he is alive and its not his fault that

They have a safe surrender box

Nope, you dont have to fuck your body up and suffer carrying a rape baby for 9 months, just kill the little parasite

Cool, I'll just add child support to the rape lawsuit.

Oy vey, Bernie! Aren't you enjoying your new beach front luxury home that was just given to you by the (((Democratic Party)))? But if you are being serious, then you're a fucking moron who doesn't understand what it's like to live in a 'community.' You don't even know what a community is if you expect hard working tax payers to fund lazy people's mistakes. That's not a community. That's forced participation and taxation at gunpoint.

Well, obviously being sensate (having a nervous system, with a response mechanism) would be a first step towards being able to feel pain - a basic moral requirement. after that, being able to be self aware - concious of one's own existence - and having future plans would be the next level of moral value - so for instance newborn babies are not as morally valuable as three year old children. So about three years old is when human beings generally gain this insight and become moral beings int heir own right. before that they are not fully human, not persons, and not as valuable.

that is not to say they are not valuable at all - but they may not have much moral value in themselves - their value is throught the people (fully functional rational beings - usually adults) who value them. if no one values them then thy have minimal value intrinsically because of what they are.

you fetishize this value, promoting it over the value of much more valuable human beings, and their desires and future plans and needs adn wants. this is not rational.

What's a safe surrender box?

Oh, evidently this is only a thing in my state. It's like the pound, but for children. You drop off your unwanted baby with no questions asked.

where you go get raped by niggers so that at least it can happen in a safe environment, they are all over sweden and most of the rest of the EU countries

Sounds useful I guess, but wouldn't I still have to go through the whole pregnancy?

yes. Free abortions for idiots and poor niggers means fewer idiots and poor niggers. Better community.

or would you prefer that they have twenty kids, who die of malnutrition, or grow up feral and thieve? or that you have to take into care, or give foodstamps to? or will you have a libertarian free society where they lie dying on the street, because the market has no use for them?

cheaper to abort than to put through court and execute after twenty years on death row with multiple appeals...

I agree with everything you said. But I repeat my original question: Why do I have to pay for other's mistakes?

oh dear, another angry libertarian who does not want to pay for a peaceful society... leech.

sponger.

greedy bastard.

Not the same user, but put simply i'd say because thats how society works. It can only move as fast as its slowest component.

You could impose an additional tax on women. Like social security, but the collective money goes towards their abortions.

It's not like you're gonna be knocking one up anyway so who cares what you think.

Also, if they get more than one, mandatory tubal ligation

>wanting a peaceful society
Why do you want mankind to stop evolving?

>putting value on human life
>2k17
pick one, faggots

Being pro life means you want this girl to have the half-nigger baby she's going to be knocked up with in the next few years

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Pro-choice because I hate fetuses

oy vey, another virtue signalling demmie-Socialist moron who thinks he knows how "society works." You can't even get out of that chair and wipe your ass, much less understand the structure of a society and what constitutes it.

Still not buying it. You've yet to identity how "society works" or what the fuck that even means. That's like how in America they circumcise babies and when asked why they do it, they just say," well that's just how it works here." No, that's not a fucking argument.

because they can't.

because their mistakes will inconvenience you for a long time. it is cheaper than having lots of unwated children and young adults about.

becaue the outside world will impinge on you.

I know, it would be nice if the world was full of clever people who look after their own shit - but remember that the average IQ is not very smart, and half the people are dumber than that.

smart people always have to clean up the dumb people's shit - but to be honest, the dumb clean your streets, and offices, and look after your sewers adn deliver your dvds from amazon, and string your telephone wires, and mend your roads - and do all the shit jobs you do not want to do that make your nice life possible - so part of the cost of having them do that is sometimes paying for their mistakes.

It is called "civilisation"

I know that most Americans have never seen one - they still live in wild west fantasy land were all men are men and look after themselves, and have not realised that it would be better if they just nationalised medicine, paid for the stupid to be better looked after and be less of a drain on society and be more productive - and they would all get cheaper health care because the so called free market would not be ripping them off... like every other G20 country... but that would mean having to pay for others mistakes.... so you think it better to just pay more for your own crappy health care...

crazy.

fuck you, singer.
rational capabilities can never be the condition to be regarded as a human being. you can justify euthanasia and shit

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There is only peace in death. All life is conflict.
You've been mentally atrophied by society if you think otherwise.

way to conflate ten arguments with no substance or any factual backing...

I'm a Trump-supporter. A conservative republican

That said, I'm also pro-abortion.

Abortion has too many worthwhile benefits.

tbh the only people who're anti-abortion are sjw's (in their own right).

so much anger, so little argument or reason...

would you be a white supremacist as well?

I was going to ask "when you abort do you actually kill *someone*? explain" But that has already produced billions of pages of flamewar. So let's try something new.

Religious zealots and other scum are basically people who don't want to ever be happy and who try do destroy every possibility for the other people to ever be happy in their life.
You are actually terrified of death. So you want to spoil your very own life in order to survive through abstract ideas like "the Nation", "God" (strictly unproven), "genes", "esthetism" (allegedly), "harmony" (allegedly) or whatever.
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So you think are not allowed to be ever happy in life because it would harm your (alleged) beautiful ideal and pass your gene to your kid. You also think that:
your child is not not allowed to be ever happy in life because it would harm your (alleged) beautiful ideal and pass your gene to your grand child
your grand child is not not allowed to be ever happy in life because it would harm your (alleged) beautiful ideal and pass your gene to your grand grand grand child.
your grand grand ... grand grand grand...

With this bullshit "moral values theory" of yours, is there any human being who can ever be happy? Don't you realize you're wasting the only thing you really possess (your own existence)?

I'm a proud liberal. To the other libards like me keep this in mind: A bunch of people who call themselves 'conservative' (fortunately not all of them) are predators. There are tons of predators out there, they only have one goal: destroy everything valuable in life, in YOUR life although they don't even know you. Stop being ashamed by defending yourselves against predators. They're easily on the same level as ISIS members in term of religious based douchebaggry although the majority of them happen to be christians. 2nd amendment is your friend (although you don't like it I know that). NO ONE has the right to prevent your freedom and opportunity to seek happiness.

Abortions are a service.

A service that can be charged for.

A charge that creates a market.

Even if if it's small compared to other markets, abortions are a business, and money is exchanging hands somewhere.

Being against abortion is an economically poor choice.

Not that dude, but there is nothing to argue about. Some people don't want to pay for other peoples fucking shit. Call it privileged or whatever you want. But I don't ask for hand outs, and I don't want to give them out

Except I did say we can only advance as fast as our slowest component. The whole "why do I have to pay for someone else's mistake" is such a childish approach, adulthood means you have to stop acting like a spoiled brat and think about whats best for the majority. You are not being scolded by your mom bcs your brother broke a vase, get your head out of your ass.

"smart people always have to clean up the dumb people's shit - but to be honest, the dumb clean your streets, and offices, and look after your sewers adn deliver your dvds from amazon, and string your telephone wires, and mend your roads - and do all the shit jobs you do not want to do that make your nice life possible - so part of the cost of having them do that is sometimes paying for their mistakes."

My Socialist radar is going off the charts. Would you be a cuck as well?

>Any practice in which money exchanges hands is beneficial to the greater good

Jokes on me, you were just pretending to be retarded

actually, Peter is a friend of mine - we met in 1992 when I was a post grad student of his at Monash... but we do not agree on all things.

however, you have not shown any argument that contradicts his position (or mine) just saying it can't be condition does not make it true. if you examine how we regularly make moral decisions it is clear that rationality is a key moral concern, in all moral questions.

if you look at how we determine when a person is dead, rationality is more important than biological processes.

This is why you have to be careful what you post traineddog.club

And it's only gonna get worse under Trump.

>adulthood means you have to stop acting like a spoiled brat and think about whats best for the majority.
Not really. You can continue to just care about yourself for the next ~60 years and then die. Who cares what happens to the next generation, you'll be dead.

conflict and war are not the same thing. also, there is no moral force in evolutionary change - it is neither a good nor bad thing,and it cannot be stopped - evolution is merely adaptation to the environment - your argument would suggest that any change to the environment is anti evolutionary - which is simply false.

Certified CUCK

Just like literally every other market, if you ban the market it just goes underground it doesn't go away. That was the only real reason abortion was legalized. Because most people realize a grown adult woman's life is more important than a bundle of cells in her gut and she shouldn't have to risk murder,rape, and torture to get rid of the bundle of cells so she literally doesn't ruin her entire life by having severe PTSD from keeping a child she didn't want to term and the stigma she faces for giving it up for adoption. Or, ya know, be a parent and have over half the things she wanted to do in life ripped away from her because she wasn't strong enough to give up the child after birthing it.

Pro-choice is respecting women as adults and equals and a bundle of cells as not as important as her life and livelihood.
Pro-life is respecting a bundle of cells more than an adult with no care for the adults life and livelihood. Plus it's not like pro-lifers adopt children or donate to causes that help kids in dire straits either. As soon as the kid's born they couldn't give less of a shit about the child's life.

i like to draw giant coathangers on pro-life baby billboards.

'LETS LOVE THEM BOTH!'

OP thinks sex is a bad thing. Is he a faggot or is he a tumblerina?

yes, I agree. Some people (like you) do not understand that being greedy bastards and not paying their way in society is a self destructive and sociopathic mindset. But you may in time grow up and get wisdom, and see that the cost of a free society is that sometimes people who don't fuck up their own lives (you) have to help people who have fucked up their lives, because if they don't everyone's life gets fucked up because the dumb fuckers will keep fucking it up until even the smart guys are fucked.

get it now?

Assuming there is a next generation, we're all going the way of Japan though perhaps not quite as many social rejects since our culture isn't as toxic to 'outsiders' like Japan. Basically as soon as life extending tech starts advancing most people would rather become functionally immortal than deal with kids. At least that's my plan as long as I don't die from unnatural causes even conservative estimates of technological growth put people a little older and any younger than me in a save window where it's unlikely we'd die naturally before getting cybernetics/nanobots that make ageing a thing of the past and death comes through bad luck or by choice.

Yeah the entire pro-life movement is based on religious irrationality, just like islamic terrorism.

See, that there is what I would call a leech, wanting everyone to put up with you, wanting all the benefits but none of the responsibilities.
This is why your country is going to shit, it's completely plagued with obese manchildren who can only reply at the best of times is "who cares it's not my problem".

Considering that the pro-choice side has taken it to the extreme where they want the right to slaughter a child literally up to the point of the umbilical cord being cut, I'd say they've gone too damn far. You want a choice, make it before having sex or make it before the child can survive outside your damn womb. Can't make up your mind by then? fuck you, you've made your choice. Don't want to raise it later? Give it up for adoption. Stop slaughtering human beings because you can't deal with the results of your choices!!!!