BADBADNOTGOOD

Thoughts on these modern masters?

I'm awed; love everything from them so far.

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They are a bit up and down. Their covers are better than the stuff they write

I've found that if you go into listening to their music expecting jazz that all of their albums are very disappointing and lazy.

If you go in expecting hip hop, they're decent.

Take that for what it's worth.

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They're ok. If you already listen to jazz or other variants, they sound amateurish in comparison.

I agree with you on that.

Lazy, really? I think they have some virtuosic skills and consistently come up with good melodies. On the hip hop side, I'm just driven to nod along; fantastic percussion imo. Aside from that, if a hip hop act came out and they pulled this shit off, I'd personally rate them as much higher than 'decent.' Their live videos really sold me too. Thanks for the input.

Compared to other jazz trios they're really not too virtuosic at all, and I find their melodies to be too simple and disengaging. Actually it's not their sense of melody that's bad, it's their sense of rhythm that's extremely basic compared to the jazz players I like.

To compare them with real virtuosos check out Vijay Iyer, David Kikoski, or Craig Taborn. On the drumming side of things check out anything with Antonio Sanchez, Eric Harland, or Jeff Watts.

Definitely going to check these guys out, I appreciate that

It's jazz for faggits who think real jazz is for old people. Still good, but not real jazz

These first three artists you recommended are all obviously very talented musicians, but although I like their music at times they stay chained to jazz tropes just that aren't as pleasing melodically.
It seems like jazz purists can't/won't accept them because they stray from this classic jazz sound and hence aren't 'real jazz'. Although I think the argument could be made that they are, I don't think it matters. They just make great music with elements of both jazz and hip hop; and it's a beautiful fusion imo. I have jazz records and am into some, but I don't see what makes these classic sounding jazz guys any more virtuousic than BBNG doing new stuff with just as lively tempos and musical prowess. Maybe I don't have a trained ear for the nuance. Still going to listen to the drummers you mentioned.