Argh, it's too preachy. It's like new sincerity taken to a whole shitty new level

Argh, it's too preachy. It's like new sincerity taken to a whole shitty new level.

Feels like a mediocre political folk album straight from 2005.
Homophobes, religious people, big pharmaceuticals, capitalism. Really? Dear God.

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i don't think its too preachy. just lacks cohesion on some songs.
its an 7/10 for me. fjm has a great ear sonically but lyrically he bit more than he could chew on this.

Cana real (non-shill) album redpill on this album?

It it coming from an earnest place or is it compromised ((())) propaganda?

he's a hack

Way too fucking long. Half the length would have been a pretty interesting project.

Didn't think anything else was worth saving.

>father john misty
>preaching
Hmmmmm

>Way too fucking long. Half the length would have been a pretty interesting project.
Whole heartedly this. At least 20 minutes too long. But 30 minutes more realistic

>Argh, it's too preachy.
what's he>new sincerity
What the fuck does that even mean? There is only sincerity, there are no degrees of sincerity.


>big pharmaceuticals, capitalism.
These are important to discuss.

Haha dude yeah

#DumpCrapitalism #SocialismYES #FreeFoodForEveryone #FreeMoney #FeelTheBern

if I asked father john misty to give me a moustache ride would he say yes?

New sincerity: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sincerity

>new sincerity

yeah maybe if there was a second of this that wasn't half-assed irony

you seem like you don't want this discussed....hmmm

and we actually live in clandestine feudalism so.....

why can't you listen to it yourself

I didn't realize we were speaking in meme.

I could. There's just been so much corrupt 'art' lately, I'm taking precautions.

I'm still on the fence if I think FJM is a sincere guy or not.

Personally I'm highly suspicious of anything coming out of LA.

>clandestine feudalism
fucking lmao dude

FJM is a sincere guy who uses a persona of exaggerated arrogance and self indulgence to share his views.

It's clearer if you listen to Honeybear first.

um, user is correct.

I've listened to his first two albums. Well aware of them.

But lately so many artists have been compromised, and do/say things seemingly against their will.

as a pretty big FJM fan who shares many of the same political views, here are my thoughts;

This is definitely a hit or miss album coming from a musician who isn't sure where to take his character. He is known for not taking himself seriously but still making valid political points, but this album feels more like a political science class than an FJM album. it's decent overall with some seriously solid tracks, but not his best work.

>He is known for not taking himself seriously but still making valid political points, but this album feels more like a political science class than an FJM album.
Is it real politics, or transgender bathrooms styled 'liberalism'?

They are genuine points, not faux outrage bullshit.

FJM's message is mostly apolitical nihilism. You can't agree with "his politics" because he doesn't actually have any.

>dude capitalism is bad but so is any leftist utopian appeal to create something better than capitalism lol humanity is doomed i wish we were all dead

Yeah, real deep stuff. So good.

True. He's a fence sitter.

Then again, he works in the music industry so....

I only listened to it once, so far, but my biggest issue with it was the sameness all the way through. Every melody seemed too samey. They were all basically start low, climb the hill, then go back down a bit.
I wasn't expecting to like it at all but there were some nice moments here and there behind FJM's seventeen layers of irony. The length was also a problem, not in and of itself but there was nothing filling the time other than the unvaried melodies and by song five or six I wanted just stop, like leaving the guy at the party who won't shut up about how he "just gets it and nobody else does, man."

...he's probably a pole sitter.

Finished tfy

Gotta say that I didn't like it as much as Honeybear. The mood of the songs don't feel sincere to his lyrics. I felt like it was "samey"

I was begging for him to change something in his vocal delivery and melodies. It all just sounds so samey and the length didn't help alleviate that. Leaving LA is inexcusable for its lack of progression.

It just feels like I got 75 minutes of boring political message that he tries to validate as entertaining because it's "ironic"

you didn't like magic mountain? the only track i'd actually >>DELETE

that isn't what he's advocating lol

there's a song about world government and capitalism being overthrown and the final line is about a few great individuals "developing some products" to ease the new human experience so i think it's safe to say he's no marxist either (or at least feels that it runs contrary to human nature)

Underrated post. Fjm is the polar opposite of new sincerity. He can't escape how stupid his whole made up persona is

IT'S

A

GROWER

this review expressed it pretty well because i thought it was samey at first but the songs are actually quite varied outside of a lot of them being midtempo piano ballads.

>Father John Misty has, for good measure, placed an extra hurdle in front of him. Pure Comedy is a brilliant, multi-faceted jewel. But it requires upfront work and a lot of patience from the listener. Tillman’s melodies are, at first, elusive. Tempos dawdle. Runtimes splay. Many musical dots (such as verses, choruses, and bridges) seem disconnected or nonexistent. Yet after repeated spins (four, in my case), loose threads find their respective partners. That’s when this magnificent 75-minute work interlocks, becomes whole, and unveils its immense riches. What was once incomprehensible – and, let’s be honest, a little boring – all at once makes sense. It’s as if a mustachioed wizard waved his artisanal wand and produced, from its tip, a collection of campfire sing-alongs.

lmfao who gives a fuck listen to it if you like it
bet you "can't" breed with non-whites either

I'm finding random melodies coming back to me, seems grower status is confirmed in my case.

Birdie is a great track

I can agree that it seems like a grower but what it grows into depends on who's listening. I don't subscribe to FJM's politics so it makes it more difficult when he's so on the nose with his lyrics. I don't want to compare the music but the political messages in Radiohead's stuff doesn't put me off because it's usually much more subtle (the music comes first, message second).

It's so fucking gay. New sincerity is the worst thing to happen to the world. Bring back post-irony.

I dunno, first song seems alright.

Anyone got high def versions of this and the alt covers? Much appreciated.

aka stockholm syndrome

desu i've never listened to any music from this guy but i always shit on him

I listened to it and it didn't stand out. I always revist at the end of the year to see if I was too rash, but what I saved I know I'll play again. The title track is just fantastic to me.

>I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex

>Bedding Taylor Swift
>Every night inside the Oculus Rift

which one is more offensive to her

kanye cause negro

fucking thank you, father john misty's character is literally ridiculous post modernity personified, in all of his ridiculous irony and literal complete lack of sincerity

He kinda jumped the gun on the whole post-Trump era with Honeybear and now he's trying to move past that but it just ended up touching on trite and overplayed topics or being too on-the-nose like with the VR song.

its not a character or persona tho.

do you guys have brains? be honest. have you ever heard this dude speak? are you aware he released multiple songs called "generic pop song #X" ??? have you seen him live either?
he projects error messages from windows 98 up on the stage behind him. this is so far from sincere, its deep in irony. sincerity is okkervil river and mount eerie and the like singing about people and emotions and things that matter to them, and doing it earnestly, behind NO layers of irony or veiled truth.

father john misty has exemplified bombast since the project began. look at the lyrics for "holy shit" even, not to mention the arrangements! he's a master of emotion manipulation, of creating the most ridiculous hedonistic music he can, and centering his personality around it. his pop songs prove how thoroughly he can manipulate form and substance to an end - almost none of his songs are actual personal expression, he's manufacturing it all. just like foxygen, their songs are so full of tropes and retro references that you have to question whether or not it's what the artists care about or if it's just an exercise in musical masturbation

that being said i love ILYHB, and i loved pure comedy the track when it came out, one of my fav of the year. havent listened to the album yet because i havent been able to spare 75 minutes yet, but i have a hunch it'll be a whole album of holy shit, pure comedy like songs - massive arrangements and orchestrations around purposely banal lyrics that sound profound.

actually im convinced i just fell for bait, theres not a possible way someone could mistake him for sincere, even if i love fjm's songs

>Hannah Montana
>does the African savannah

Hey now don't bring ol' Nick into this

itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/father-john-misty-hemma-hos-strage/id1147279887?i=1000382995145&mt=2

>it's an user isn't familiar with the mere exposure effect episode

every time

New Sincerity is post-irony yah dingdong

>it's ok, he's only pretending to be retarded
>art

If it has less than an 8 on pitchfork its sincere

i disagree, because that kind of logic says that you'll probably enjoy anything at all if you listen to it enough times, which i think is impossible. there will always be stuff that will never click for you. besides that, i think there's value in art that doesn't yield everything to you the first time you experience it. so much goes into how we process things-- emotional state at the time, the environment it takes place in, all that stuff-- and so i would never take the view that the initial visceral reaction you have to something is the only one that's valuable. there's got to be stuff you like that you didn't like at first

(i should also point out that i didn't even dislike pure comedy on the first listen-- i was just kind of confused and exasperated by it, but still enjoyed it overall)

i'm not really 100% sure i'd call the content political. i actually think his worldview is fairly immature and crude, but what i like is that he's fairly open about it and confronts his own failings more forcefully than he does with people in general-- he's very open about his own participation in the things he sees as negative in the world. in that sense i think the album can be seen as a (comedically) hyperbolic self-exploration. it's like an open admission of disillusionment without solution, but it's full of really nicely expressed sentiments

i've actually never listened to a radiohead album, i probably ought to

yeah, i think a lot is just really kind of avant-garde pop songwriting. he uses some really weird structures but they're so catchy. total entertainment forever is basically a linear progression (i hope i'm using that right) but it's so easy to listen to

i'm definitely not, what's that

>i'm definitely not, what's that
not sure if you're memeing since it's easily googled but simply put, people like things they are familiar with. So if you listen to an album multiple times trying to "get it", you probably will simply by being exposed to it.

but i'm familiar with rolling in the deep because like everyone else i've heard it a million times but i hate it

its a philosophical. intellectual concept that people within media and cultural analysis all know. jsut because your too stupid to understand it doesnt make it a meme....

>. jsut because your too stupid to understand it doesnt make it a meme....
>jsut
>your
like clockwork!

grammar and "proper" language are constructs used to devalue everything though the semiotics that devalues all things and forces meanign only in relation to one another.

>grammar and "proper" language are constructs used to devalue everything though the semiotics that devalues all things and forces meanign only in relation to one another.
>meanign
bravo!

Like zappa without the good parts

in all honesty this would be a good album to have an honest discussion about, but this is Sup Forums so everybody has an ego to protect even on an user board. so it just ends up being about is it he ironic or you're too stupid to get "it"

heading back to r/music

You have to go b- - okay then

I think the point of the song was about acknowledging what a revolution actually stands for. Like how Zizek would say that you should think less about the revolution but the moment that comes after. FJM's stuff is generally pretty pro-far left like Two Wildly Different Perspectives and I'm Learning To Love The War also;

twitter.com/fatherjohnmisty/status/847159636876677120

twitter.com/fatherjohnmisty/status/843657487584780289

twitter.com/fatherjohnmisty/status/843480582638239745

Safe to say he's some kind of anti-capitalist I think.

oh my god it was staring us in the face the whole time