Hello folks. In this thread we’ll be talking about Consciousness, Responsibility, Motivation, and Liberation

Hello folks. In this thread we’ll be talking about Consciousness, Responsibility, Motivation, and Liberation.
“But there’s already a lot of talk about that stuff” you say, and yes you are correct, but none quite like this it seems.

Lately a bunch of people have been asking me “What happened to those great threads? Where did they go? When will there be more?”

I don’t know what happened to them, but it looks like someone deleted them. Anyways here’s the new one, and I think it will outshine the old ones. Sorry for the delay.

Note before reading: At some point you might find yourself going “fuck that” and/or feeling a bit offended, but remember open-mindedness and teachability. Whenever in life you feel offended, that’s your ego getting the best of you, closing your mind. Give all info a chance, nobody knows everything.
And to those who have no intention of reading the OP through before making rushed replies, please go do something more worthwhile and enjoyable.

OK, are you ready to go deep? Teachability 10/10?
Alrighty then, let’s dive in.

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First things first…

There is NO random chance.
There are NO accidents.
There is NO destiny.

Everything happens for a reason, and we make those reasons.

We choose how we rationalize, and thereby what desires develop in our minds, which is what determines our “automatic” unconscious actions and reactions, which in turn leads us to whatever events we stumble across.

That’s what’s really behind all those “spiritual” theories about things such as “the law of attraction” and “karma.” Everything that happens in your life is just a result of your previous actions, everything that happens in your life has been earned. Circumstances do not mean much, it’s all about how you deal with circumstances.

Thoughts become beliefs and habits, beliefs and habits determine what catches your attention and what you ignore, what you submit to and what you resist. That’s what sets your course in life, the more you understand it the easier it becomes to get to where you want to go.

People who believe in destiny and/or say that there is no free will are simply resisting responsibility, they’re afraid of seeing the truth that all their fuckups and misery were their own doing.
Like a sailor who set sail without learning about boats and water and wind, now he’s getting tossed around by the waves, unable to go anywhere, he cannot reach his destination, he’s at the mercy of the waves.
So he rationalizes that those other sailors who got to where they wanted were just lucky, that their ships were better, or that the ocean treated them better… when in fact the difference was that they did it right and he didn’t. Or he might even go as far as denying that the other sailors succeeded (people who say there is no free will, that everything is just a reaction.)

The truth is, the sailor is just a lazy bloated ego who can’t accept that it’s his own fault, and that he should learn how to sail. It’s never too late to learn, and what better place to learn about sailing than on the waves?

It’s easy to blame everything on destiny, or saying that everything is just an effect of some causal event at the beginning of time, but it simply isn’t true.
Most animals live purely by instinct, instinct is completely reactive, each reaction is just an effect.
But the conscious mind is not, the conscious mind can think and understand and decide, independent of circumstances. Consciousness brings free will, you can’t have one without the other.

The less conscious you are, the less free you are. If you think you have no free will, that is true for you, you close your mind to the fact that you can’t decide and so you become like the lousy sailor. Sacrificing consciousness for ego comfort.
It’s high time for you to learn how to sail.

The ego is what takes us where we want to go, the ego can only do what you tell it to do. It’s your vehicle, and just because you’re not aware of how you’re steering it that doesn’t mean you’re not doing it.

anyone in here read wittgenstein?

The more conscious you become, the more you realize that it’s all results of what YOU do. The less you realize this, the less conscious you are.
Enlightenment is empowering, liberating, not limiting.
Like they say:

“THERE IS NO POWER THAT IS NOT KNOWLEDGE.”

How much you know, AKA how conscious you are, determines how much power you can have. And thus how free you can be.
Because in reality Power, freedom and responsibility are one and the same, and how much of it you can have is determined by your level of enligthenment.

There is no on/off switch of enlightenment, everyone is enlightened to different degrees, and to different things. However, you can always have more of it.
BUT NOT IF YOU DENY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY/FREEDOM.

Every success and every failure is your own doing, but in reality they’re not different, success and failure are really just results. Feedback.
Every feeling you have is due to your own thoughts, YOU make yourself happy and sad and bored.

The more conscious you become, the more powerful and free you become.
If it isn’t liberating and empowering IT ISN’T ENLIGHTENMENT.

And as long as you value your beliefs higher than truth and reality, you will not understand this.

And THAT is all about the ego. The ego THRIVES on beliefs, especially limiting ones such as BLAME. Which is what the start of this thread was about, BLAME.

The ego DOES NOT LIKE responsibility, because the more responsible you are the less power the ego has over you.

When you say “big statement I’m well aware, but as big as your ego?”
that’s absolutely HILARIOUS. It’s so ironic, because a big ego makes it IMPOSSIBLE to control your life. A bloated ego LOVES the idea that there is no free will.

FREE WILL AND EGO OPPOSE EACHOTHER.

It’s high time to hoist the sails and grab the rudder.

Like Jesus said “Is it not written in your books? YE ARE ALL GODS.”

The human experience, the way it’s meant to be lived.

>wittgenstein
seems like a faggot tbh

well if you take all the problems in the world they boil down to mathematics, but what is maths?

>numbers are very certain and precise
>we dont really know what numbers are, we don't encounter them

so take those 2 problems and turn it into one with logic

>logic is the combination of all the mathematical possibilities in an abstract realm of thought (realm of logic)

but this we still don't encounter, so swap logic for language

>language is used to explain all the possibilities there are in the world

>the limits of my language are the limits of my world

This is Wittgenstein's 'theory in principle. He argued that all the abstract ideas and concepts here in this thread, ie: consciousness, are impossible to describe because they are using vague language, so he concludes

>whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent

best thread going on right now

>our “automatic” unconscious actions and reactions,

implying that humans are conditioned automatons

which implies that the power of reason is self justifying (the underlying premise for your entire argument) which implies (ridiculously) that circular reasoning is valid.

debate over


This is now a gay interracial pornography thread

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>don't like what I'm hearing
>I must derail this thread

Dude that's retarded
>me putting it simply

>read it again
>you misinterpreted it

dont worry, wittgenstein is a genius, you just don't understand it, hardly anybody does. Wittgenstein dedicated it to Bertrand Russell who also didn't get it

>well if you take all the problems in the world they boil down to mathematics
Hi sweetie. This statement, your first line, is bullshit. I understand the idea but this is a GROSS oversimplification.

also
>everybody thinks he's retarded
>you think he's amazing
>he MUST be a genius!

do you have any sense of irony?

you're criticizing me for simplifying Wittgenstein who himself said that what he was trying to say cannot be legibly expressed

also if you know anything it's that love and genius are the two most overused words. Wittgenstein isn't a misuse of the word genius, but you're a know it all so i'll let you keep spouting your pseudo intellectualism


>where's your contribution to this thread?

Its not unusual for someone to be unaware of the foundation premises in their own argument.

>>where's your contribution to this thread?
I'm op

>unconscious actions and reactions
No man, you misread it. I never said/implied we had no control over what we do. The whole point of the post was the opposite.
>you're a fool

no i'm OP

lol nice retort

I hope you weren't actually stupid enough to study philosophy at college/uni

Nice try though niglet

you're just mad that you're in an otherwise empty thread debating useless shit like consciousness with yourself

you're an egotist, pseudo intellectual. you just want to have a monopoly on conversation topic

bye faggot go play with your anal toys