Trump: Our country needs net negative immigration to bring back jobs and wage growth for American citizens

>Trump: Our country needs net negative immigration to bring back jobs and wage growth for American citizens.
>American People: No, we would rather not hurt peoples feelings and suffer joblessness and wage stagnation.
>Me: The American people are fucking stupid.

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Immigration does not hurt the job market. More immigrants = more consumers, hence bigger need for jobs. The job market can always adapt.

Also Syrian refugees have bigger problems than not being able to buy all the stuff you want from Amazon.

A wild idiot that knows nothing about economics appears.

Where do immigrants get their money from?

Jobs and wage growth are hurt most by automation.

Bring back jobs normal Americans won't do? Great.

Fucking idiot

Here you stupid uneducated child. Watch the whole video. cis.org/Testimony/Camarota-The-Impact-of-Large-Scal- Immigration-on-American-Workers

kek

>You disagree with me therefore you are an economic illiterate
>I-I have no argument to back this up, but y-you d-definitely are.

I can hear your fedora shuffling as you type form here.

Where do they spend it?

I'm already well-versed enough in economics, I don't need to watch propaganda videos to let other people tell me what to think.

Samefag detected

I had a landscaping company. I could not raise my prices because illegals were going around undercutting everyone. It got t o where I could not keep up with inflation and had to fold.

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Lol propaganda. The video contains senate testimonial from some of the leading experts on immigration in the nation. I guess feel free to not watch the video and enjoy rolling in your stupidity.

What are some economics books you have read?

Take them in your shit country we don't want anymore immigrant...and no one cares what you think

This is true. Computers and machines are gradually replacing workers all over the world. There are people alive now who will live long enough to see the birth of a post-employment society.
Manufacturing jobs have seen the biggest losses on this front, and the service industry and shipping idustry are poised to be similarly gutted.

Don't breed and take your bait elsewhere.
>I'm already well-versed in economics
Top kek.

yeah I some on the older guys in my electrical class were talking about how a group of spanish people were going around offer to do $1k+ jobs for $500 because as soon as they finish they have another job ready to go. He said they do the job fast AND well but that kind of shit fucks over other people.

>Wild Idiot used autistic screeching

I gave you guys a sound argument and I have yet to hear a sound counter-argument. You're the one(s) screeching here.

>Where do they spend it?
Mostly in the boardwalk, considering you still haven't explained where they are getting their money, so I suppose you are speaking about monopoly.

>where do they spend it?
Doesn't quite matter if we haven't addressed where they got it. Answer that question first and then we can go from there.

I'm genuinely curious what books you have read to become well versed in economics. I'm not even sure which side of the debate you're on.

What a completely fucking retarded statement

10/10 great job being retarded

This, also immigrants take jobs that Americans would otherwise not do or would normally be outsourced. This is what most economist today agree upon you dumb niggers.

I figured you meant to lead me to saying that they get their from their employer, and hence that they're "taking" money from the economy, but they're also spending it back into the same economy, which creates growth, so your argument is worthless.

>guy gets asked "Where do immigrants get their money from?"

>guy replies "Where do they spend it?" almost as if he believes he's actually just made some kind of genius jedi mind-trick counterpoint

Easily the dumbest comment I've seen so far in 2017. Congrats.

>I gave you guys a sound argument
Top kek again.

how many applications have you written for a job as garbage collector or someone's house, butt and pussy cleaner?

>I'm gonna post my screeching over several posts to make it seem like I'm several people getting mad at this dude for contradicting me, so that my incoherence looks like a self-evident fact.

>Me: OP is a fucking faggot

>sound argument
>immigrants oversaturate the market with jobs and damage the spending power of the dollar as well as lowering the value of work in general
>this is good for the economy guize
>my gender studies teacher said so
>h-have I read a b-book or any literature on economics...?
>o-of course but I won't name them because that would enabling you!
>hurr durr where does their money come from lol where do they spend it checkmate atheists
Yeah, totally sound argument faggot

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What economics book are you basing your argument on?

Most economist also tell us that Keynes was right, and that you can multiply your money by just spending more of it willy nilly. The allege recovery of the Great Depression that proves it never actually existed, and it all came down to the USA being the sole economic power left, with the recovery of the other countries a few decades later putting us back into a ditch.

First off, no they aren't, they are sending it to other countries for the most part, but more importantly, no that's not an argument because they are putting less money into the economy because their whole appeal is that they cost less money to employ to begin with. To argue they are helping the economy by spending less is dumb, but it's even dumber in the context of your own theory of how prosperity gets made. It's a wrong theory, but not even in your frame work are illegals anything but a drag to it all.

And where are you from? Some white nationlist eutopia? Would love to see one that has ever worked.

But you are right, americans are pretty stupid. Most of them would never do the jobs immigrants do, much less accept the pay.
Stagnation is not from immigration. Most of them don't know that their emperor owns more wealth than they ever will in 1000 life times.

>post-employment society
Curious what that would even look like. I mean, automation is one thing but I would assume there would still be a need for plenty of different jobs that aren't capable of being automated. Like fixing the machines doing our jobs every time they break or fuck up, at the very least.

Even Paul Krugman has this idea in his economics textbooks, have you read any "literature" on economics cucklord little bitch.

Wrong faggot, I'm not that guy and he isn't me.
Also why do you keep using the word "screeching" to describe everybody. shit sounds retarded.
okay, I can work from here.
They take money from the employer and spend it in the economy, that is true. However, immigrants, especially illegals, are notorious for lowering the acceptable wages they are willing to work for and thus lowering the overall value of the work. Additionally immigrants have a high trend of sending out their money though services such as western union to their families in other countries, thus removing currency from our economy and damaging it. ADDITIONALLY a large number, and by large I mean majority, of immigrants use welfare and through use of it spend money that was not earned through labour and thus damaging the economy. ADDITIONALLY immigrants also, due to fear of deportation or ability to get away with it, don't pay income taxes from earned wages thus damaging the economy.
They undercut the job value, lower the price of the dollar, and export our wealth to other nations.
tl;dr fuck immigrants, they are leeches

You're a fucking dumbass, so I'll break it down for you:

1. I'm an immigrant with no money
2. I come to your country and you are forced to give me some of your money
3. I spent your money on stuff instead of you spending your money on stuff
4. You come to Sup Forums and post some completely ignorant bullshit like "Immigrants stimulate the economy by buying things"

>>immigrants oversaturate the market with jobs and damage the spending power of the dollar as well as lowering the value of work in general
What markets are immigrants oversaturating with jobs?
Hotel maid service?
Lawnscaping?

I don't really see Americans lining up to clean up toilets or cut grass for federal minimum wages (which is, lets be honest, all those jobs are worth).

But raising wages is bad for the economy. That's what you guys keep pretending when addressing the pay15 movement anyway. Low wages means full employment, therefore they are good!

Also immigrants doing your job better for cheaper is just how the free market works. I shouldn't have to have to deal with lazy American workers if I can have my services provided by people who do it better for cheaper. That's socialism! :^)

The money immigrants make by working jobs isn't money that was forcibly given to them by me.

1. I'm an immigrant with no money
2. I come to your country and get a job that would otherwise be outsourced to another country.
3.If I am illegal I am given no money and all the money I earn I spend, stimulating the economy. If i have a visa I get some money from the government which I also spend, once again stimulating the economy.
This is how economies actually work, its not as simple as "its my money and your giving it to other people", if you weren't retarded and actually picked up a book you would probably understand this.

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>paul krugman
>thinking any keynesian economist is worth listening to in this day and age
Seriously?
in america? any unskilled labour you can find is full of immigrants. Gardening, hard labour, security, and yes, janitorial work.
There are plenty of americans without degrees and certifications who can't find a job, that can pay to support them, because immigrants took them, lowered the value of their price, and then flooded the workable hours with their own labour.
In short, YEAH they're taking the jobs most people don't want but they do need.
See the ":^)" implies you're baiting me, but I'll take this bait.
Raising wages is not bad in every sense and can infact be good. For example, in today's society it is a common fact that people who work minimum wage jobs cannot afford many of the needs an adult needs. THAT'S GOOD. A fully grown adult shouldn't be working at McDonalds or Wal-mart but they do due to the removal of most manufacturing jobs in America being outsourced to other nations for a cut cost. This in return leads us to have two major problems: the majority spenders of the nation don't have the money to consume goods and the quality of said goods is diminished in return for cheapened labour. the term "cheap chinese crap" is accurate as they don't have as much capital put into their infrastructure and thus their output is left wanting.
WE NEED JOBS HERE SO PEOPLE CAN BUY THINGS HERE OTHERWISE IT BECOMES SO CHEAP THE COMPANIES CEASE TO MAKE PROFITS AND OUR GLOBAL BUYING POWER DECREASES YOU CUNT

for clarification, I'm not stating to raise the minimum wage. what i am saying is the exportation of our labour is detrimental in the long run and is fully responsible for the increase in poverty as of late.

>in america? any unskilled labour you can find is full of immigrants. Gardening, hard labour, security, and yes, janitorial work.
>There are plenty of americans without degrees and certifications who can't find a job, that can pay to support them, because immigrants took them, lowered the value of their price, and then flooded the workable hours with their own labour.
So lower-class scum feel entitled to have jobs at X-level pay and can't compete by offering better services or providing better quality and value so they blame immigrants?
What are they going to do when these jobs are replaced by robots? Complain about Robots taking all the "good jobs"?
>In short, YEAH they're taking the jobs most people don't want but they do need.
If immigrants are taking jobs that people don't WANT anyway, what the fuck are they crying about?

I agree to an extent, but that's a free trade problem, not an immigrant worker problem.

As for shitty restaurant and retail jobs, we'll always need people to serve in restaurant and stores. Why would they make less than factory workers prior to the industrial exodus? Consumers already get a premium from purchasing imported products that are made for cheaper than if they were made in the US, so it should be okay for them to pay more to cover for the employee's wage, if it means balancing out the economy and making sure there are okay jobs that don't require college education. That money is reinvested in the economy anyway.

They need money to be consumers lmao

Except immigrants are sending their money back to their poor families in whatever country they came from. Case and point, Canada. We have all these Filipino temporary workers who send roughly %80 of their wages back home to the Philippines. Basically every McDonald's and Tim hortons is fully staffed with Filipinos making less than minimum wage and being housed together like slaves by the establishments owner. They garnish their wages for room and board essentially leaving these people with next to nothing left on their paychecks. So the money doesn't stay in country and all those kids who are looking for their first jobs are turned away because they have to be laid more and they aren't completely subservient.

and they work jobs to get that money lol xDDDDDDD

I honestly don't feel very bad about being able to afford less shit so that some philipino family doesn't have to resort to prostitution to survive.

Well, that's just a matter of opinions.

Then you're admitting it's a negative for you economically, but that it must be done ethically.

Hell I'd be fine with immigrant workers taking the job if they provided the same quality of service (they don't), were in general law abiding citizens (they aren't), paid their taxes to support the gov't (they don't), didn't remove our money from the economy by shipping it out other nations (they do), and didn't use the lowered money input as a boon to their provided gov't welfare based income (they do).
I'm fine with a market completely sustained by the will of the economy but outsourcing and cheapening the labour is harmful to the overall structure of a nation.
I agree but those jobs shouldn't be filled with adults. Maybe in managerial and administrative work (they are paid more for a reason) but the actual cooks and cartpushers should be teenagers. People who don't rely upon their own money and use it as a commodity to buy extra things they want. A minimum wage job shouldn't be able to support a family because that is detrimental the value of the dollar as it causes a decrease in company profits for labour that isn't complicated or for the most part difficult enough to justify it. Factory workers on the other hand have routine shifts, training, compentency evaluations, need for critical thinking, and, for short, an actual adult who can dedicate their full time towards doing it. While the goods are indeed cheaper, so is the quality. Additionally, it doesn't quite matter if the goods are cheaper if they're still out of reach of the working class because they are working jobs that don't pay enough for anything outside the bare essentials which are typically from either the gov't (power and water) or imported due to ACTUAL NEED to be created elsewhere (fruits and some vegetables). Raising said wage is damaging in that it raises the value of the surrounding goods and services "artificially" in a way as money is not being paid for what the company thinks it is worth but rather what the people completely uninvolved do. This creates a disconnect.

>being able to send 80% of your below minimum wage income back to the Philippines.
Ya I am sure that is an epidemic sweeping across the nation

then you're an economic cuckold and you should be purged from any respectable and self sustaining society.
considering that canada has around 7.5%-8% of their population working minimum wage jobs and if the majority of it or even a large portion of it was exporting it's wealth to another nation in addition to having garnished wages at exorbitant prices thereby allowing the company over them to cheapen their labour and stock their capital in a less than legal means then, yes, it would be classifiable as an epidemic as between 1.25%-2.5% of the nations total wealth could, potentially, be seen as leaving the nation. not exactly a huge percentage but that equates to about 1% of $2B which is $20M leaving the nation every year.
Quite a lot to be frank. I think Quebec costs less than that.

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Read this, understand it, realise what is happening. Stop your fucking fairytales.

>paul krugman
>thinking any keynesian economist is worth listening to in this day and age
>Seriously?

Oh, ok, so you're smarter than the Nobel prize winning economist?

There is no fucking way a large portion of those people working (less then) minimum wage jobs are sending the fucking MAJORITY of there income the other nations. Do you really not understand how retarded that is. Just because you can pull the statistic that 8% of the nation works minimum wage jobs doesn't mean you can just as easily say a large part of that sends a fucking MAJORITY of there income to other countries. You could even easily say 1 percent of those working those jobs do anything close to that

considering the nobel prizes have been given out for posterity over merit for the past 30 or so odd years, yeah, I'll make that claim. Also, plenty of intelligent people have made really dumb claims and theories. It's all a matter of perspective.
I'm not essentially saying that's the absolute number but to be fair I took the population in minimum wage. Took a fourth of that. Then took the potential wages they had, halfed that. and then applied the percentage.
This is all hypothetical but my number wouldn't be that far off base. It's more to prove the point that illegal and sometimes even legal immigration is harmful to a nation's economy.
Also "do you not understand how retarded that is" is rich coming from people who believe immigrants are good for the economy kek

You took a fourth of the people on minimum wage, there is exactly were you are a fucking retard. Do you not realize how many people that is, the assumption that a fourth of the population is doing anything close to that is completely off base.

Alright, then you tell me. What is the percentage of people who work minimum wage in canada who are immigrants that work for less than the national average?

I have no idea and dont pretend to fucking know, I certainly dont just throw out statistics. Probably significantly less than 1 percent do anything close to what you are describing.