ITT: Albums Plebs and Patricians can both enjoy

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can someone explain in a few sentences how to get into jazz?
It always seems so interesting to me, and i get all hyped when i read a good article about famous jazz artists. But as soon as i listen to some music it just becomes one big mess and i get distrected

So a pleb music thread?

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Listen to A Love Supreme and the Black Saint and then branch out from there. Read up on the connections between jazz artists (i.e. look up coltranes drummer or whatever and then listen to his solo albums) and then branch out from there. Also read a lot of essentials lists, it's a very diverse genre.

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Follow the soloists. Listen to simpler stuff first and try empathise with what they're playing. If you're listening to a good player on a good session, every phrase should be done with the aim of making you feel something as part of a broader emotional story. I think part of the problem with people who hear jazz for the first time is, they just hear it as one big college of sound like they would pop music. Which gives you a good perspective to hear characteristics like timbre, but that's not where the focus is so much in jazz. There's more subtlety in what individuals are playing and if you're not trying to hear that, you're gonna miss it.
You don't necessarily need to understand why it works, but that's why jazz fans are disproportionately also musicians. It's easier to follow what a player is trying to do when you speak the language.
That was how I got into it anyway, over a long while of trying to pay close attention to what I was hearing and trying a bunch of different artists. I think it's silly that some people think all jazz sounds the same, even though I used to think that. It just seems so ridiculous to me now that anyone could mistake Freddie Hubbard and Miles Davis.

This all said, group interaction is obviously a cornerstone of the genre too, but trying to hear how a group is having a conversation before you can understand what a soloist is doing is hard. The two skills came basically hand in hand for me doe.

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I wouldn't recommend avant-garde jazz albums to someone who is just getting into jazz. This chart is good:
As a starting point, I would recommend The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out, Grant Green - Idle Moments, Wes Montgomery - Boss Guitar, Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers - Moanin'.

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Black Saint isn't too avant. I think it's a good starting point. There isn't too much complex solos like Love Supreme or Kind Of Blue.

Oh, btw, the first jazz artist I ever got into was Duke Ellington. This comp is the one I got and has a really nice collection of his early stuff. Not comprehensive, but I don't think it misses anything too important.
The tunes and solos on here are simple and very accessible by modern standards, but I still listen to em' regularly even though I know them back to front at this point. There's a lot of draw for me hearing stuff like this or early Louis Armstrong stuff. They're very easy to listen to/follow but there's still so many players that are just bursting with personality in the same way any good jazz soloist should be.
Early Duke compositions are also just beautiful and I'm fairly sure Duke must be the most covered artist in jazz music.

>I'm fairly sure Duke must be the most covered artist in jazz music.
Monk though...

I think maybe if you're counting all the Strayhorn tunes that are pretty much associated with Ellington then he might beat out Monk.

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True dat. I normally think of them like a Lennon-McCartney type deal and when I say "Duke compositions" in my head, I'm thinking of it in the same way I'd say "Beatles compositions".
Tbf though, that does underplay how important the contributions of Strayhorn, Tizol, etc. were. I don't mean it to be revisionist by any means tho. I subscribe pretty heavy to the narrative that Duke wouldn't have made it half as far as he did without Billy.
Saying Ellington orchestra originals deffinitely overshoots Monk. I wouldn't be surprised if there were enough covers of Caravan alone to do that.

this list is utter shenanigans. all the jazz one really needs is big band jazz and early jazz from the 20s and 30s like cab calloway, artie shaw, benny goodman, jack hylton and the like. all that bebop and free jazz crap or whatnot is pretentious, unlistenable, awful improvisational bullshit without any depth. kind of blue is highly overrated and a fucking joke.

does anybody ever care what you have to say?

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>all that bebop and free jazz crap or whatnot is pretentious, unlistenable, awful improvisational bullshit without any depth. kind of blue is highly overrated and a fucking joke.

1/10 b8 m8

what can i say, it's my honest opinion, no bait intended.

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damn. so true

This makes Wynton Marsalis look like a bold progressive.

Can you go into more detail on the problems with Kind of Blue? Right now you're being overly general and throwing around token insults. Seems more reactionary than a developed opinion, but maybe I'm wrong.

Bold, experimental music you can also put on around granny.

Rite of Spring is probably the most accessible dissonant music to ever exist

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nailed it

contributing this as very listenable no wave. trades the noise punk in for crescendos. fans of third wave post rock will love it

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