Feminism thread.
I'm interested in your guys opinions. As a feminist I wanna know why you guys aren't one/the problems you have with it.
I'll try and reply to logical questions as fast as possible.
In the meantime post feminism hate cause I know you will, and hypnosis porn if you could. I like that shit.
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I've only got problems with like... radical feminists. Otherwise it's a pretty good thing imo.
Pretty cool! What would you consider radical feminism?
Also I'm a little surprised that someone even likes feminism on Sup Forums.
Mostly the women that believe they should have more rights than men or believe that they're some kind of supreme beings. I get minorly annoyed at women who resent having a door held open for them, or things of that nature too. I do it for everyone, but they seem to think they're special for some reason.
It already achieved its goal of equality.
The scale was perfectly balanced between the sexes around the 2000's. But feminists HAD to keep pushing, so the scale tipped too far to the women's side. And the same inequality you protested against in the past, now you encourage it.
This is the first time in years I've been back here. Got bored.
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I think the overwhelming majority of people would agree with him. Radical Feminism, a really controversial subject, was blown out of proportions, which is why most people would no longer call themselves "feminist", but still agree with the mainstream feminist movement.
I also love dating feminists. They always offer to go half way on the bill, or put in equally for whatever we want to do. It's fantastic.
Equal pay for equal performance. Pro hanball player here
>it's already achieved equality
Not so. There still exists a ton of stigma against women and often times they still face oppression both in the first world and the third.
Take for example abortion. Women still don't have total freedom over their bodies. This is not equalitiy. Women still cannot go past the glass ceiling without men's help. This is not equality.
Think of it like second wave feminism, which did away with many social/sexual stigmas. We're just focusing on more social isues this time.
exactly this.
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Just so you guys know.
Won't be able to watch it atm but I'll try and watch it later.
Not familiar with much of UKs stuff.
2/10 bait, made me reply
Not bait. Ask a question, I'll try and reply!
are you a chick?
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Female yeah. Don't see how it matter though.
But why should the women only have the choice in the unborn child's potential life? Shouldn't the man also have a say in the matter if your going to abort his child. Takes 2 to tango
Their arguments are based on appeal to emotions.
Women deserve equal pay
1) that's been the law since the 60's
2) the pay gap is debunked but they can't accept that
That would end their victim narrative and those end their emotional appeal
You know the rules...
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>sharpie in pooper
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Otherwise gtfo
you should learn to respect women then.. they can open a door themselves you bigot.
But if one points this out they shout fascist and nazi and sexist and blah blah blah
I don't hate feminists, I just don't like people who are up their own ass about their ideology. There's just been a lot of feminists up their own ass about being a feminist these days.
The thing is "Modern Feminism" isnt feminism at all.
I'm a feminist, in that I believe that women are in some sense my sisters, I want the best for them, I believe they are my equals. Much of what the most outspoken modern feminists believe I consider to be demonstrably rubbish. I think this problem is due more to the general decline of education standards in the West, however, rather than any inherent problem with feminism itself.
Very true! But at the same time you have to remember what a women goes through during pregnancy. It's a full 9 months of pain, constant body changes, both psychical and hormonal, etc. It tends to be very hard on the women and to force her to have a child that she doesn't want/can't raise, etc is cruel.
I think a middle ground should be reached if possible, but for the time being we need to make it legal. I mean at current moment, if she has a child that is unwanted it also forces a man into raising it as well. Something which neither side wants.
You have to take small steps in order to take big ones. What are some solutions you can think of after abortion is legalized? Something that works for both sides.
I'm sorry? It wasent written down when I checked the rules for the page.
Where can I find them? Because I highely doubt this is a rule and more something you made up.
You must be new here
It's an unwritten rule. You're just new.
Were you not a newfag, you would know that sharpie in pooper only applies when the poster wants to prove it's a woman and have that mater.
And I'm not even a white knight, I'm just bothered by your stupidity.
>it's totoally emotional
Then why does it hold its place in academics? Why do we have studies to back up our claims?
So on and so fourth.
The pay gap law was implemented in the 90s...at least here.
It's not so much that women aren't paid for the same jobs. They are. But it's the fact that the glass ceiling is still in place, and that for a women to rise above it she still needs the help of a man. Its the fact that women are picked over for certain jobs because they are stigmatized. Stuff like this,
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because men and women have different bodies, it's impossible to have perfectly "equal" rights around abortion/unborn children
if both have the right to abort then the man has control over what the women does with her body
if both just have control over their own bodies then only the woman can decide to abort, and the man is stuck with her decision re: whether to have a kid
basically no matter what you do it's impossible to have perfect equality there
show me a sharpie in your pooper then
I am new. Your supposed to challenge your beliefs by talking to others and where else would be a better place but the infamous Sup Forums? I lurked for a couple hours to try and get some stuff down but apperantly I missed this.
If it's an unwritten rule, then I really don't have to adhere to it. Not gonna degrade myself tbh.
Does it have some reasoning behind it? Or are you all just horny basement dwellers who can't get none?
Egalitarian is a better term than feminism.
Anyway, here's a question. Why is it acceptable for auto insurance companies to charge more for men than women?
>women are picked over for certain jobs because they are stigmatized
Not because we hate women, but because most of the time the man will perform better. This is a fact.
1st and second wave feminists were cool. Thye just wanted equality and would rise up to meet the challenge in the work place. I liked many of them.
Its some of the Third wave that is shitting on everything that the first 2 waves earned. Instead of rising up to the challenge, they wish to tear men down to make things easier for them. There are others that have gotten so ingrained they have turned into Feminazis.... people like that will never earn any of them any sympathy or help beyond what they have now.
As a man it's plain stupid to want to make abortions outlaw. If you ever got laid and the chick got pregnant. You both want to abort but you can't. Congrats, you're stuck for life with a kid and a woman that you didn't plan to stay with. And don't say condoms, there's no reason to force that shit if we as a specie have means to make things different.
It isn't the case in academics AT ALL - women are far outstripping men in secondary and higher education. And there is no evidence whatsoever that women are stigmatized as you describe. In fact, there is a massive bias in favor of women.
I'm irked by the fact that no one can stand getting offended anymore. There are women in the middle east being charged for being raped, and feminists in the US are bitching about being misgendered, and fucking man spreading. I understand that there were and are a lot of really fucked up problems that women face(d) in society, and those who fight to overthrow systemic, tangible sexism, racism where it's problematic are no less than heroes. But the women in the US are some of the most privileged people on the planet. They're treated in ways that women around the world have and would kill for. Just shut the fuck up and focus on real issues.
Also, the idea of feminism, down to the very root of the word is sexist. Men can serve up to 3 times the prison sentence for the same crimes, and are fucked on child custody more often than not. There are problems men face in society too, and most feminists refuse to accept it to frankly retarded lengths.
Maybe if everyone could just shut the fuck up and listen to each other instead of screaming and protesting all the goddamn time, we'd live in less of a shithole.
>coming to Sup Forums for constructive discussion
nigger wut are you doing
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i'd post it but it's .14mb over the filesize limit
have a different one instead
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But to say that an unborn child is 'her body' is really distorting the truth, isn't it? I'm not saying abortion should be illegal, but a foetus should not just be considered a kind of tumorous growth that can be discarded at will. It's a potential human being.
>I lurked for a couple hours
You're supposed to lurk for months before you even think of posting you fucking whore.
Or, the woman could retain complete control over her body, and the man retain the choice to accept the rights and responsibilities of fatherhood.
Everyone wins, in that both parties have the right to accept or reject those responsibilities.
But feminist like it just the way it is: the woman has 100% control over whether or not a child is produced from an unintended pregnancy, and can then immediately turn around and stick the unwilling sperm donor for at least 50% of the bill.
If I had my way, every man would have to voluntarily sign on for the rights and responsibilities of parenthood. A lot of women would make could use of their hard-won right to elective abortion when they can't parasitise men.
>are you all just horny basement dwellers who can't get none?
Well duh
Since you asked, discussions used to be derailed by random whores coming in and trying to get all of the attention, faggots got sick of it and instituted an unspoken rule that you can't derail shit until you deliver tits.
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the law re: childhood and parental responsibilities is supposed to be for the child's sake, not the mothers
if you let fathers revoke their parental responsibilities at will then you have kids who are worse off for it, being raised by a single parent without any child support from dad
Stop masturbating then. Your sperm is made of thousands of potential human beings.
Back in the day, a child would be considered something after it lived for a number of winters. Now emotional/religious/do good wannabes want to give a cake of cells rights and by that fuck already formed and living people.
Becuase statistically men are more dangerous drivers early on due to being reckless. (Mostly drunk driving) and they tend to have more in the car compared to women.
Like it's more likely a group of guys get drunk then drive all in one car vs a group of girls all getting drunk and getting in one car.
This is the main reason I think.you could also tack on that men at younger ages tend to be irresponsible, try and show off etc, but that's to a lesser extent.
This.
There is a reason the leadership of modern feminism is almost nothing but professional activists, professional revolutionaries. To admit that they've long since achieved their goals is to put themselves out of a job.
i love feminism.
My issue is with the hypocrisy of it all.
This. Feminists aren't willing to focus on the ACTUAL SERIOUS oppression of women around the world.
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Examples and sources.
How can a male coder/doctor/cep be anymore competent then a female if they both have the same training?
I don't know if this is just me, but I've dated 2 self-proclaimed feminists (before the insurgence of tumblr feminists). They'd always point out little injustices and, in general, I didn't have a problem with any of it.
And then when it came to sex they both wanted to be completely submissive fuck puppets. Dirty talk, choking, slapping, rough shit, safe words that never got used, etc.
I mean my sample size is 2 here, but in my mind all feminists just love getting dominated in bed. Anybody else ever experience the same? Or did I let 2 beautiful unicorns slip away in my youth?
>Your sperm is made of thousands of potential human beings.
>potential human beings
The eggs haven't even been fertilized at that point nigger
Don't know how to post gifs. Sorry :/
Also more of this!
I thought some time ago a pretty simple solution, legalize abortion nad both parents have a say in it, if the woman wants to abort, that's fine, but if the man wants the abortion and the woman dont, he cant be registered as the father/ no child support
NO NO that seems to be the consensus with me too. Had a few feminists just like this. One girl had me chain her in leather, bent over and pound the fuck out of her. It was glorious. She was crazy as fuck though
This is getting more replies than I thought it would.
I'll try and reply to everyone but I may be slow. Sorry if you get missed.
Well, nigger. Go get cancer, cell cake lover.
You do make a valid point, I have no problem with it been legalised I personally would always prefer the child to be born and given up for adoption if nether party wanted the child. As it's fairly easy in the west at least to prevent pregnancy the times where it could not have been prevented will be rare.
Circumstances play into this a great deal, I do think there should be legal courses of action to legally give up all rights to the child before birth. As there's many cases that one part does and one does not want the child. Where the mother is the party that does not it would make logical sense to have remuneration for the hardships during pregnancy. But on the flip side I don't think it's fair that the father who did not want the child should be accountable. This obviously would need strict guidelines but I do think the system at the moment is unfair. There's a definite bias to mothers at least from my experiences in the uk.
Feminism for me seems to have tilted a little past equality, I'm more Egalitarian but do believe that there are image biological differences. It doesn't mean we have to limit based on that though.
Because men and women inherently think different.
The crazy was also there, but not unmanageable. Well, I say that with rose-colored glasses on. It was probably a lot worse at the time
1. No, sperm is simply a cell that may or may not produce a child, just like a female egg.
2. Who gives a fuck what people thought 'back in the day'? Irrelevant and nonsense anyway.
3. What do you mean by 'rights'? I don't they should have the same rights as you or I do, no. I do think, however, that people should take abortions more seriously than they generally do, and I also think it's rather ethically spurious to refer to an unborn child as 'my body'.
Yeah, like there aren't too many people on this planet already.
Same experience here. I think there's a clear psychological connection.
all of them, to me were unmanageable. The worst part was, aside from their fickle nature, they were entirely impossible to have a debate with. Using citations and facts. just denied it. These weren't the 'MAH PATRIARCHY' tumblr types either. well one was. But I don't wanna talk about her
Wew lad
>where else would be a better place but the infamous Sup Forums?
Literally anywhere else
There are thousands of reasons to make abortions something simple and viable, but cretins keep throwing bioethics in the way to make everyone's life worse. It's that kind of thinking that holds science back.
I'm not sure what you mean about the acedimeia thing, but you said that feminsim tends to be baised around emotional arguments, I countered that feminsim is in education now. There are courses you can take on it and it's found its way into English, psych, history and philosophy. My point is, that it isn't based on emotional persuasion.
And the glass ceiling does exist, look at all the female CEOs, or directors or shit like that. There aren't any. And those that are there are because they used men's help. Hillary couldn't compete if her husband wasent a former president, the people under Trudeau wouldn't have jobs if he didn't want to look all politically correct and have a "50%" cabinet.
It exists. What's your evidence against it?
"HUGH MUNGUS WHAT"
and stories of similar types is what I consider
Never fall for the bait. Just stay user and your thread won't derail. Saying "I'm a woman." is akin to saying "Alright, time to start asking for my tits non stop. Go ahead, I don't mind."
Yeah, I've heard this "best needs of the child" dodge a thousand times.
When the woman freely chooses to produce a child *in full knowledge of her inability to provide for it", where, I ask, was her deep concern for the child's best interests then?
How about this: no forced abortions, but if a woman deliberately has a child with no possible means of providing for it, it shall be immediately and permanently removed from her care to a foster home or placed for adoption.
No more hiding behind a meal ticket, oops, I mean child that never would have exist but for the mother's selfish choice.
And the best part is that far, far fewer unwanted children would be produced because *there would be no incentive to do so*.
The current half-assed system is bad for men, bad for children, bad for society and even bad for women. It benefits only those females who wish to make financial slaves of men for one quarter of their natural lives.
The backlash is not coming, feminists; it's already begun. The pendulum is finally on its backswing and it's about to knock your fucking teeth out.
The one girl would scoff at chivalry and such in public. In private, she'd never want me to go down on her because, and I quote, "Its not right for a man to do it. Its a woman's thing"
Man, I could be such a lazy bastard with her.
>where else would be a better place but the infamous Sup Forums?
Go to Sup Forums they are much more accepting of feminism and social justice than Sup Forums
you're on the wrong board. try Sup Forums lmao.
I don't think anybody here is going to argue against feminism, we just fucking hate radical feminism.
The kind of feminism that hails Donna Hylton as a hero and gave her a spotlight during the Womens March in Washington even though she tortured a man and sodomized him with a 3 foot pole while he was dying.
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Yeah, like try explaining that the wage gap doesn't mean that women make 30% less in the same job, but 30% less overall due to the type of labor.
Its like talking to a brick wall... which you then tie up and roleplay raping...
... fuck now I miss them both actually. That shit was fun
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Yet women have more complicated reproductive systems and live longer than men, and so *should* cost more to ensure, yet they are protected from paying more by law.
Equality only matters when women are the disadvantaged party.
>look at all the female CEOs, or directors or shit like that. There aren't any.
Your entire argument hinges on the assumption that men and women think exactly the same. Prove that to me first.
Empty comment. Explain please:
1. What are those thousands of reasons?
2. What do you mean by 'simple and viable' and when did I say I was opposed to that?
3. In what sense do ethics make people's lives worse? As far as I can see, they only make unethical people's lives worse.
4. What is holding back science and in what way?
> Assuming this isn't bait
I am 100% for women being equal to men. That definition of feminism I'm on bored with.
However, feminism has a vocal minority of idiots who are counter-productive to the movement. This vocal minority isn't being rejected by the movement writ large though, and as such I can't support the whole because I don't know what is and isn't supported.
For comparison, look at GamerGate which had a minority of assholes that tainted the entire movement. Normally I say we don't judge a whole by the worst part, but when the two are indistinguishable I can't proceed in a productive manner.
lmfao that's exactly what it's like. One would get all riled up and ride the dick off of you, using that same fucking point. "men work more hazardous jobs blah blah" and she called you the problem and then fucked you. It was a rollercoaster
Die
Abortion is legal everywhere in the western world as far as i know... Besides for every stigma against women there is an equivalent benefit. You get to choose whether to abort. You are less likely to be a ceo, but also less likely to be homeless.
You are not the first person to notice this.
Female+selfish sociopathy+severe daddy issues=feminist.