Anarchism/communism thread

anarchism/communism thread

time to discuss the decadence of capitalism and the failures of nationalism

where my comrades at?

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How's the 8th grade

we learned about trigonometry today

fuck antifa

i actually, non ironically, believed in anarchism when i was in middleschool

people are fucking assholes and you cant expect them to act civilized if theyre not scared of the consequences of their actions

isn't anti-antifascism just fascism? if you're going to be a fascist be honest about it

Only in the world of a college kid are anarchism and communism anything related

I'm anarchist too, burn the world, destroy everything, kill kill kill

I consider myself anarchist. I play by the bare minimum rules of society and I'm polite about it though. I'm a vagabond worker and live out of my car camping usually. I hope to someday purchase land and build a home on it with friends and be as self-sustainable as possible. I don't think communism works on a large scale. I believe human society works best as small self governed villages

Who would build the roads?

Okay tell me this, if we have total anarchism what is stopping china from taking over the united states completely?

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>t-t-they would be nice!! everyone would a-a-act nicely towards each other without the h-h-hindraces of capitalism!

Hows that cognitive dissonance treating you?

You could always start by killing yourself.

So you want me to pick one or the other? Because......

pretty much their shitty answer

also pretty much why the #calexit thing is for extreme retards.

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>implying regulation of the market doesn't end in cronyism

Anarcho-communism is the biggest load of shit ever conceived. As soon as you can figure out how to seize control of the memes of production without a state monopoly on violence or electing any type of hierarchy to control the memes of production I may consider it to be viable. It would still be completely retarded but viable

The pursuit of communism killed in excess of 160,000,000 civilians in the largest ideological genocide in human history, throughout the 20th century.

And you fucking retards wonder why everyone believes socialism and mass murder are inherently inseparable. There is literally no socialist state that hasn't had to engage in genocide.

>but Muh Sweden
Not fucking socialist.
>but Muh denmark
Not fucking socialist.

You retards are so God damn ignorant of your own politics that you don't even know the difference between Democratic socialism and a social democracy. Difference is the latter is Sweden, and the former worships Kim Jong Un.

They are both failed experiments. Both had good points and both had bad points. What needs to happen is a new country that implements the good points of both and go from there.

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So many retards don't know that Democratic socialism and socialism are completely different

so many retards that think healthcare = SOCIALIISMMMMM

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dont you fucking compare an-anything to communism you autistic fucks we at least have stable rules and our shit works on paper

Not socialism until the Healthcare workers are employed by the government.

God fucking help you if they ever are, too. Cuba may have socialized healthcare, but one look at what their hospital conditions are illicits imagery of Silent Hill.

you know posting here means you were also baited, right? i mean, i personally dont give a shit. im about to jerk off.

type more caps tho

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whoever feels the need of having a road built is bigger than the need of doing something else

Where we're going, we don't need roads!

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antifa isn't just the perfect embodyment of anti-fascism, you can be against them as a group, and against their actions, without being a fascist.

Well, canonical communism is anarcho-communism achieved after decades of socialism. In practice, we have never seen this "true full communism", which would theoretically also be an anarchy.

>I hope to someday purchase land
REEEE NOT A REAL ANARCHIST
jk, but have you read anything seriously on anarchy? I feel like you really should, just to understand at a deeper level, anarchist concepts, and how people think it may work. (personally I'm not an anarchist though)

>that image
exactly my thoughts on the DC riots lmao

Well the real question is what happens to the US military? Does everyone go home and the military is just dissolved? or does the military become some rogue entity of its own? This could be really scary, imagine the US military without the US government's leash on them.

thanks for replying

what do you mean ctrl v? i know what it does, but itmakes no contextual sense

>fell for the ctrl-v bait

Why communists can't be trusted to manage even themselves.

You would have state socialism before the anarcho communism, and the infrastructure would be set up then. Communism would still have democracy, and we can still have elected officials.

Why do you think they would have issues controlling the means of production? Once the structure is set up, and there is no money, there's no motivation to steal, or hoard the means of production that people wouldn't see as blatantly against the system, and they would stop you. (communists believe that there would be people's militias to carry out what is essentially the police's job right now).

Nigga you dumb

ok man, and then what happens after that?

You're thinking of Social Democrats, not Democratic Socialists. Democratic Socialists believe in making the country a socialist one through socialist means, and social democrats just want better policies in our existing capitalist system (IE bernie sanders).

Electing a group of people who regulate the market is having a hierarchy and and state both being things the ancom does not want

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Fuck antifa nigger*

You go back and try to figure out the joke you're not getting

No, under communism there are still managers, as management needs to get done. It just isn't done in such a way that the managers are allowed to just do whatever they want with the people below them, as bosses are allowed to do under capitalism. Manager is just another job position under a communist system, they would get "paid" the same as any other worker. (of course "real communism" doesn't have money, but often times, especially before reaching "real communism", money is needed.)

>doesn't want state
>creates communism thread
Shut the fuck up you gay retard cuck

So it operates just like a normal situation where goods are traded for money and/or services?

So in theory your dick is bigger than mine. In theory.

It depends on what you mean. "Full Communism" would just have people voluntarily working, and life would be mostly automated by machines and such that do most of our needs like farming for us. Obviously, we aren't there from a technical standpoint (though look at how automated industry is nowadays, we aren't far), but in the mean time we have socialism which usually solves the whole "you must work to get things" reality by having either money, or some sort of rations system.

In the eye of the communist, the real evil of capitalism isn't the market, many socialists believe socialism is actually compatible with markets.

The real evil is the fact that money is based on the exploitation of the working class by capitalists. The whole point of running a company, is so that you can pay the workers as little money as possible, and at each level of the hierarchy you skim off a little more money. A much more moral (but less efficient) company structure that does work in capitalism, is a workers co-op, where pay is determined democratically by all the workers based on level of skill, and how much money they actually have. This is less efficient, because generally less ends up getting invested back into the company, and because you can't exploit the lower tier workers as much as the pay is determined democratically.

Basically from what you're saying is you want capitalism with no mean bosses then lol. To which my reply would be work somewhere else that doesn't treat workers poorly? If you don't like companies like Wal-Mart and McDonald's (assuming that these are the type of companies that are "mean" to workers in your eyes) there is something amazing that you can do under full capitalism. You can quit and go somewhere else. Don't spend money at places that you dislike. The only wage slaves I've ever known are in socialist and communist countries where they have labor camps and shit. I don't understand why Sally mcburger flipper gets to complain about not making enough if she doesn't go out and try other things. I'm a college drop out and I've gone from minimum wage at pizza hut as my first job to making almost 23 an hour now at a paper mill. The point is put yourself put there!

>You can quit and go somewhere else.

How wonderful the freedom to choose your own master is!

So electing someone else to manage the means is not the same exact fucking thing? Gtfo

Electing someone to "manage" the memes of production is totes different my bad

>almost 23 an hour now at a paper mill

And those who own the capital that constitutes the paper mill make 10, maybe even 100 times that.

What happens when the paper mill goes out of business? When you've spent your better years toiling away for the capitalists who kept you around when it was convenient and are no longer of use to anyone. Maybe you can go back to Pizza Hut. Don't ever fool yourself into thinking that just because your lot in life has improved that you're not a slave to someone else's whim. So long as those who do the work do not share equally in the ownership of the means of producing said work there will be masters and there will be slaves. Don't ever fool yourself into thinking that just because it isn't chattel slavery that it isn't slavery. Even if you enjoy your job you still need it more than the owners of the capital need you. Their existence isn't dependent on labor. Yours is.

And I say this as a college dropout who went from being days away from homelessness to having a large house in a desirable neighborhood, making 6 figures, driving a BMW, and living the so called American dream. I actually find my work deeply satisfying. In that regard I am most fortunate. But I am under no illusions as to my place and to the place of those above me. Not even my boss, who is the CEO of my company, is free from wage slavery. He is beholden to investors who hold the purse strings and own the capital. His house my be even bigger than mine, but he is still a slave.

>Basically from what you're saying is you want capitalism with no mean bosses then lol.
Well, yes, if by capitalism you mean markets. Without mean bosses, and any other bourgeoisie.

>To which my reply would be work somewhere else that doesn't treat workers poorly?
>You can quit and go somewhere else
It's not a question about ME getting a good paying jobs that treats people well, its about the average worker. The USA persists on the backs of workers in third world countries getting vastly underpaid for what they do.

>Don't spend money at places that you dislike
Inevitably I will be, under the current system. Whether the company that made the product, or their suppliers, or the people that ship the product, or the store itself is immoral, it's too hard to avoid nowadays.

>where they have labor camps and shit
what is the American Prison-Industrial Complex. Are American prisons not labor camps? Also, in a labour camp you would just be a literal slave, not really a wage slave. How can you deny the existence of wage slaves, wherever there is capitalism, and there are starving people, there are wage slaves.

>I'm a college drop out and I've gone from minimum wage at pizza hut as my first job to making almost 23 an hour now at a paper mill.
Try raising a family off that 23 dollars an hour and see how fun it is. Anyways, not everybody is as fortunate as you, especially in the third world.

Another thing, in order to have the luxuries in the world that we have, we must have the people who are currently our "low class". IE, to buy a burger, the minimum wage burger flipper's job is necessary. Why should we pay someone such a low wage (especially in areas where cost of living is high, minimum wage can be laughably low, completely unlivable without external help). If someone is working full time, and their job is considered necessary to uphold the standard of living we want to have, they should get compensated enough to live a reasonably comfortable life.

Hahaha what if they go out of business I'm a skilled laborer with plenty of marketable skills if I wasn't happy with what I am doing I could probably go out and get an even better job tomorrow. And yeah the owner of the company (who is in the building everyday with the rest of us) drives a benz while I drive an rx7 but we get profit sharing which I could cash out now if I wanted and I get health insurance dental vision. I'm taken care of because without loyal employees those nice profit margins go away. I'm not ashamed of what I do or who I work for thanks capitalism!

The only system that gets people to work together and accomplish something is dictatorship.
Korea is a bad example as their shit dictator doesnt care for people.

true, that´s why all of those antifa cuck hide their faces, they all look like pasty, upper-middle class spoiled children who are bored and wanna fight the evil bad bad nazis that are all around them apparently. They are weak tho and mostly they punch women.

Sometimes the reporters go really near those people so you can glimpse into their dead, soul less eyes. It is just a funny yet tragic scene. You can also hear individual chants of: NO TRUMP, NO KKK, NO FASCIST USA and it is the shrillest, whitest, most beta and most autistic voices you can imagine. It is like all of them are just a weird mix of Chrischan and your average Swede.

I´ve been part of the punk scene in my town and I know those people personally, but more than that I know their girlfriends. Those women (they get offended if you call them that) are so far on the left they would call Mao a right-winger. Mostly they go to college for something they will never get employed, they are feminists´ts who genuinely believe that women are equal, if not better than men in everything. I drank with them and after a couple of drinks they cheat on their boyfriends, those are the same women who think it´s rape if a woman is getting fucked while being drunk so that makes it ok.

What I´m trying to say is that those guys are literal cuckolds and their women are in charge. Pic related

You little fuckers wouldn't last a week without your internet and steady supply of first world comforts. Be careful what you ask for junior, you just might get it. Things get hairy when the power and food stop showing up.

Because those 2 things actually mix. /s

>idiot homosex faggot detected

fuck off lefty. real anarchos hate communism as much as capitalism and facism.