Should children be allowed to consent to sex reassignment surgery?

Should children be allowed to consent to sex reassignment surgery?

Apparently this is increasingly common dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376262/Up-80-children-young-FOUR-trying-change-gender-year-evidence-youngsters-schools-encourage-transition.html

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absolutely fucking not
they're children, they literally don't know shit about themselves or society
adults still struggle heavily with this decision and sometimes they wish they hadn't done it or even try to reverse it

No

It makes for better traps when they grow up so sure. I just think that there should be a lot of counseling beforehand. Not to talk them out of it but to make sure they understand the decision and the consequences.

Wait on second thought, surgery removes the feminine penis. Never mind, that decision should come much later. They can do the hormone stuff though.

if there is ever a child who does this then they were quite obviously brainwashed and coerced to do it by their parents, who always happen to be attention whore femenazis who use their trans kid as a social and political platform to spew further bullshit

I figure we do it the same way we do everything else about sex. Put allt hat shit in sex ed along with all the other sex stuff. Let people make up their minds from there on their own.

No sex changes. No hormone treatments. Not for anyone, not until they're 18.

If people are in a really bad way before that, let them go on hormone blockers along with the proper prescriptions to counteract the brittle bone issues when used long term. Hormone blockers can be undone, they don't sterilize you, you can get back to developing as normal if you change your mind. When you hit 18 you won't have developed male or female yet and you can make your decision then or later.

It's the same reason we don't let kids get tattoos, or plastic surgery or have sex period. They aren't done developing physically, mentally, emotionally or anything like that.

Let them become adults. Let them decide what's best for them then, whether it turns out to be right for them or a mistake or whatever. But a kid doesn't need this shit, and I worry whether it's the kid or the parents or the society around the kid that's really at play. Maybe it's not. But I want to be sure. Let the kid grow up and really put some thought into when they're an adult. Anything beyond that isn't my fucking business, consenting adults can do whatever the fuck they want, it's not my business, as long as no one is getting hurt.

this

Yes, children should be allowed to change their genitalia at any age if that's what makes them feel comfortable in their bodies.

makes for more traps and better traps so yeah why not

>Child abuse
>has to be 18 to vote
>21 to drink
>9 years old to "decide their gender"
Parents should be locked up.

I'm currently in the process of knocking up a girl with a history of drug abuse (we are having a boy). When our son turns five, I will get her addicted to drugs and use it to gain full custody. I will then move to California with my son without saying anything to anyone.

Then i will begin the process of feminizing him with hormone treatments, coercion (generally treating him like a little girl, and convincing him to want to be one), and finally sissy hypnosis and cock worship therapy.

I will feed him my semen every day, massage his prostate and, most importantly, teach him to keep a secret. On his seventh birthday, after proper stretching I will deflower my little gurl and plant my seed deep in her boipucci.

Then I will have my very own shota.

You did this to me, Sup Forums

I am your mark on the world. I am the Red Dragon

No.

Blaire White (a trannie herself) actually made a good vid on this: youtu.be/4gtx7OVYby0

To sum it up, at that age kids can't fully understand whether they truly want to be trans and there's a high probability that they will regret it later on.

And I find it suspicious that many of these trans children who were LGBT rights "activists" before they even became trans...

No and the parents should be burned alive.

if they can consent for that, they should be able to consent for sex...

saw that video too, she makes a good common sense argument and sums it up nicely

either b8 or actual retard

if children can't consent to sex then they shouldn't be able to consent to changing their sex
the reverse of this can also be true

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science is advancing so fast we'll be able to change genders back and forth as many times as we like in 20 years

no

>if children can't consent to sex then they shouldn't be able to consent to changing their sex
>the reverse of this can also be true

exactly

So many authoritarian types in this thread! How about, let people determine their own path and keep daddy government out of it?

>Be trans-activist
>Get trans child

Gee, that's a damn coincidence.

>pic related

yo u for real right now?

yeah he was real authoritarian the way he said consenting adults should be able to make up their own mind about things and that it wasnt his business

straight up fascist obviously

Parents pushing agendas, shilling for lawsuits, or just plain mental retardation. This should be considered child abuse.

This thread doesn't seem to have gone too far off the deep end yet so maybe this is a good place to question something that's been on my mind lately

What's the difference between gender and sexuality.

I tend to mix up the names but think I know the definitions

One defines who you as a self aware human are romantically attracted to yes? Physically, emotionally, whatever, if I say I'm attracted to females, and I'm a male, that makes me heterosexual, but if I am a male and say that I'm attracted to males that makes me homosexual yes? And theres anything in between here, what ever the person feels/makes them comfortable, that's on them, let them live their lives with their preferences in how they present themselves and who they like

But then the other definition is biology right? What you're born with?

As humans, we are all typically born with either a penis or vagina, sure there's probably some very small cases of genetic accidents happen but we are born with 1 or 2 reproductive organs, so what's this shit I see now that people are saying they can be non binary or not one of the two, but that's what you're born with, either of the two reproductive organs, what does the whole nonbinary thing mean?

maybe, but that isn't currently true for us

Yes.

Stop telling other people what they should do. Live and let die.

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In so doing he's implying children should be banned from changing gender, which is imposing your will on someone because of your opinion. That's the very definition of fascist.

Yes, children should be allowed to consent to all kinds of sex related things.

>What's the difference between gender and sexuality.

Nothing. In my language we don't even have 2 words for it.

>talk to girlfriend about maybe having kids someday
>look at the current state of society and what kids will be exposed to growing up

Fuck I hope Trump does something bad enough that it'll change her mind, I don't want to raise kids in todays world

Live, let die, and let your neighbors abuse their kids apparently.

This. Rapid tissue cloning and robot surgery will enable us to be any gender or even none if we choose.

But you understand what I'm saying though right? The two distinctions?

You are born with one of two reproductive organs, where you stick it and who or what you stick it in or anything beyond that is up to you as you develop yes?

>we need smaller government!
>let's tell gays they can't marry
>let's stop people from changing their own bodies
>let's pass Christian laws that apply to everybody regardless of faith

Conservatives.

I thought I heard him say no hormones/surgery for parents who think their kids need it. So government controls it, not the doctor or the patient.

Sex is genitals, what you are born with
Gender is a social construct and related to how you see yourself and how to be perceived by others.
Sexual orientation is what you like sexually.

The Daily Mail is not a reputable source for anything. It is a tabloid, like the New York Post and other worthless rags.

While agree that conservatives are fucking retarded I'm not an advocate of child abuse either

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Dude, I can't speak for OP, but I'm liberal as fuck. That doesn't mean you let little kids get their dicks cut off because their tranny activist parents decided that their kids "just weren't born in the right body".

If we don't think they're responsible enough to drink, drive, or sign a legal contract, why would we let them make a choice that will radically alter their entire life?

So what's with the whole non-binary thing? Those people still have either a penis or vagina.

I'm confused as to what they refer to.

libtards, jews, cucks

remember that gender is still based on sex, so no it is not a just "social construct"

The child should be removed from the patents custody ... like immediately. Better to be a ward of the state or adopted than raised by fag sjw lunatics.

just like children are banned from drinking liquor! fucking fascists!

Gender is not variable depending on your mood, faggot. Stop trying to alter reality to fit your fucked up mind.

I can't speak to any of that. All I'm pointing out is the irony of the people who get all worked up about this and bathroom access (etc) also claiming to want smaller government with less intrusion.

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Not him but isn't the point that its socially constructed out of the fact that there are 2 different sex organs? Or is that what you're saying and I'm just reading it the wrong way

Not srs. But hormones sure.

I think you're pretty much following the same lines

But that's what gender is, it's who you are attracted to, and how you present yourself in terms of other people you want to attract

Is that wrong?

>which is imposing your will on someone because of your opinion. That's the very definition of fascist.

idk should kids be put in to forced labor?

Important to note here that most of these families don't do surgery until the kid is older. Note that the oldest such surgery in the UK is 16. We are not talking about little kids getting things cut off, most parents get that the kids could change their mind.

meant to say youngest

This is so fucking disgusting.

This is obviously the work of mentally ill parents shoving political correctness and degeneracy down a child's throat. Children don't fucking care.

Here's a list of things kids care about
>Toys
>Ice cream
>Cartoons
>Staying up late

Being transgender is nowhere on the list of things kids care about. It actually fucking sickens me to see these stupid fucking mentally ill parents do this to their kids. They force them into this "lifestyle" and I guarantee it's single mothers.

this

They're fucking children! Their concept of free will is still being formed you mentally impaired simian, holy fuck, we don't just come out of the womb with knowledge in our heads

>absolutely fucking not
>they're children
>adults still struggle heavily with this decision

confused much?

oh look another alt-right braindead idiot. children can hate their genders too you closet minded bigot

Libcuck spotted

>can't spank your kids for being little faggots or they take your children.
>can chop off thier dicks and get called sally and get famous for it.
so progressive!

>Put allt hat shit in sex ed along with all the other sex stuff
Bad idea, user. They still teach abstinence only in the south and shit. With how much propaganda and flat out lies about gender out there right now, this would be breeding ground for easy indoctrination of an entire generation into believing in PC Tumblr "if I can't hear it it isn't true" pseudo-science.

nein, children are unstable fuktards that tend to change their mind over the slightest thing.
You want to give the option to completely change and ruin their lives to them?

gender is how you present yourself based on your sex
>inb4 gender has nothing to do with sex

sexuality is who you are attracted to

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Nothing wrong with political correctness, just possibly your definition of PC is what you take issue with and who's to say whether on not every childs development experience is the same

I do agree that forcing kids to do things they don't completely comprehend is fucked though

There are two genders, you're born either a male or a female. You don't get to pick and choose.

16 years old should be the age people are considered adults

>Strongly implying that kids even have a figment of knowledge about such things if they are not exposed to it all the time.

HOW TO WIN A FIGHT VS A FEMINIST:

USE THE GENDER FLUID CARD LIKE SEEN IN THE IMAGE PROVIDED

I'm gonna hazard a guess and say you watch DNews on YouTube. I suppose we'll have manned missions to mars and powdered alcohol within the year, right?

> life threatening surgery: explains itself. Kid wants to live, parents want kid to live. Level of seriousness is high.
> 2017 gender choice surgery: concerned humans with sanity intact will go insane trying to understand the reasoning. Parent or child or both trying to pretend they know what they want, and are willing only for the sake of a particupation trophy to something new, life changing, or even inspiring. The want vs need will be argued, even if the answer is in plain sight

When is earth ready to self nuke? We clearly dont deserve to waste precious space existing as a species given the amount of degenerates that question their own peepees

confused by what?
I find nothing in here that would cause or be caused by confusion except to the severely twisted logic of a liberal

Hmm ok, I'm still having a little trouble wrapping my mind around it but I think I understand the idea

Who's in denial? I'm just trying to clarify

not him but we already have powdered alcohol.

You should see the parents who forced their kids to cross-dress and march on Washington in a "transgender children march on Washington" movement. I wanted to throw up. These children being raised by these people have no future or chance in life. We all know kids are heavily involved in politics. Just like all the Twitter posts about how parents 8 year olds were so concerned with Trump winning.

If they can't consent to sex, then they shouldn't be able to concert to sex reassignment surgery.

Sup Forums is full of insecure babby. Let boy become yummy girl. Can't wait to watch trans porn when fresh girl is taking it anally and cums from the pleasure. Yummy.

We don't let them drink, smoke, drive, vote or have jobs, why the fuck would we let them make a decision that will permanently fuck them up for life?

Muh freedom to do what i want with muh own body. Sad thing is you probably spout about the constitution and shit

That's fucking impossible. Sure you can create transgenders, but you aren't changing their brain structure so adding extra nerves in one place won't do shit, and with every operation more nerves will get lost till the people feel nothing more in their nether regions. They will also become incontinent.

You can have all the nano machine's that you want, the brain doesn't chance that easily when older. And giving that option to children that don't even know what gender means is just blatantly stupid.

This basically.

Children are not capable of making important life altering decisions... you stinking hairy drug abused hippy wannabe.

The point is, children do not care about their gender or have these politically correct views. It's mentally ill parents that force these views and decisions down their throat.

lol fucking name calling

>6th grader dicktected.

ITT: Troll fest 2017 - The Baitening

this is great. This will definitly cause a lot of people to covert back to christianity. So if these fucks want to sacrifice thier children for this cause I guess it could be a good thing. Nobody with half a brain thinks this good for society.

Fucking around with your body doesn't change your gender.

that's not powdered alcohol that is just a powder that absorbed alcohol and is soluble in water. 100 grams of powdered alcohol only contains 47 grams of actual alcohol.

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we don't finish development until our mid 20s
children and teens are easily influenced as well as swept up in one of the most emotional and changing times in their life
it is normal to rebel against the norm, that is just us developing that mindset to start thinking for ourselves rather than guided by our parents and peers
but that doesn't mean it makes us who we are, we still need time to learn from life experiences and reach what should be true adulthood around our mid to late 20s
this whole trans issue shouldn't be treated like some fad, like some simple being in the wrong body
it is a mental illness, doesn't mean a bad thing, just something people need to accept. it's rooted in things that happen during early child development and getting and understanding of that and talking about it can give you a deeper understanding of yourself. But that doesn't mean you should just make rash decisions based on nothing more than a feeling that will effect you for the rest of your life, especially while still developing. you may reach a point in your life you want biological children, well your screwed yourself out of something you may want more than being trans in the future.
just because someone with a dopamine inefficiency in their brain and an addiction to heroine says i need more heroine to feel good, you don't just give in and give them what they want
you tell them the hard truth, put them in rehab, and try to make them see what they are doing to themselves, you try to help them rather than just give in to whatever whim or desire they say they "need" before even thinking about the consequences

Agreed, we need to start selling cigarettes and beer at schools and let toddlers get car licenses.

Fuck you nigger, take your Tumblr redefinitions elsewhere. What possible purpose does conflating sexual orientation with gender serve?
Dick means sex is male.
Dick and liking other dicks means orientation is gay.
Thinking you're a woman in a man's body means mentally ill.
Simple, you dig?

Yes it does. If you have a dick youre a male, if you have a vagina youre a woman.

Prove equal harm and you have an argument