>Here's how Obamacare is fucking over tons of fucking Americans by making healthcare super expensive for many regular citizens and fucking people out of jobs because small business owners can't afford to give themselves healthcare, much less give healthcare to all of their employees if they hired 50 or more >I AGREE WITH YOU THIS IS CRAZY HOW ABOUT YOU SIGN WITH ME ON THIS BILL TO FORCE MORE GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE DOWN EVERYONE'S THROATS, WE ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY TO EVER EXIST AND WE NEED GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE >Well Bernie, I just don't agree with that, how about we make it so that you can get healthcare from any state so that there's more competition and it drives down insurance prices for everyone, eliminating the need for something like obamacare in the first place? >NO SENATOR CRUZ, WE NEED TO EXPAND GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE WE ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY TO EVER EXIST ITS CRAZY THAT WE DON'T HAVE GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE, WILL YOU STAND WITH ME TO DO THAT >Well, no Senator Sanders, I just don't believe that the government should have more power over people's lives, and after Obama promised premiums would go down but instead they doubled, it seems like your plans are shit anyway >HEALTHCARE PREMIUMS GO UP AND DOWN ALL THE TIME, WE ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD AND WE NEED TO BE MORE LIKE EUROPE
Does anyone actually support this crazed socialist fuckstick anymore? The debate really showed that he doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on and keeps repeating the same three lines over and over whenever he's challenged, and shows a need to throw in a snide remark every time he makes one of his shitty points.
Trump got elected by repeating the same points over and over and making snide remarks.
Elijah Diaz
Bernie is my Waifu, he doesn't afraid to oppose pro death toxic trolls. You horrible lot don't care about the suffering of our bottom caste, but still feel the need to take action to see that this caste grows. It's not even just niggers that are unreasonably suffering, it's like whites are being treated like niggers now. You can't really beat niggers and whites on the same side.
Wyatt Cook
>Trump got elected by repeating the same points over and over
And he was ridiculed for it, too. But now liberals see bernie use that same shitty, unimaginative, and clearly unknowledgeable way of debating and they think he's a god just because his same 3 points amount to
>"free" shit for everyone >unless you're like me and can't afford obamacare and instead pay the fines every year for not having healthcare because it's literally cheaper
Ryder Walker
>Doesn't want people to be forced into paying for healthcare benefits that they don't want or need, like a 60 year old being forced to pay for maternity benefits even though she literally can't have kids anymore, just so that the system can work, since it wouldn't work if people didn't have to pay more for literally the same shit they'd get normally >Wants to have the right to not have healthcare if he wants, and not be fined for it if he can't afford it >Wants benefits like more insurance competition which drive down prices making shit better for everyone without bernie and his merry band of communists having to use legislation to do the same thing a lack of legislation would accomplish except bernie would do it worse because I'd end up having to pay more in the end for his shitty system to stay afloat
>pro-death
Are you trolling or na
Wyatt Clark
Obamacare is a nightmare for middle class.
Both parents in their 60's on seperate plans Bc its cheaper. My moms is $1100 / month. Just HER
My dads is $700
Mine was $900
No joke, all individual plans. I'm 32
I was unemployed 3 years ago and only qualified for a subsidy (I couldn't afford).
Obama told me apply through state Medicaid. I was denied.
Premiums still through the roof. My mom was sent a $5000 bill from a week stay in hospital. No,surgery or anything, just some tests, iv fluids because her blood levels were bad.
Jason Smith
Every other "civilized" country has free healthcare for everyone. tell me why the greatest country in the world can't do what Canada and Sweden and France does? And don't tell me their systems suck because tons of american go to canada for health care.
Henry Morales
ITT: Angry Trumpette attempts to discredit Bernie Sanders. Fails miserably here, just like everybody else.
The greentext part where he talks to himself was my favorite bit of the cringe, implying he'd ever leave his basement, much less speak with someone in the government of real import. The definition of an echo chamber here.
Daniel Anderson
Hospitals Must admit to ER . Yes, they can save a life and then kick um out. True, you can't get diagnosed or treated for cancer without paying.
Mason Evans
and then the rest of us get to pay for it.....worst plan ever.
Andrew Jenkins
>free The doctors just work for free, pharmaceutical companies donate drugs for free, medical equipment manufacturers just give out free MRI machines, power companies supply free electricity to power hospitals? How nice.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, we all realize that the money for socialized healthare comes from taxes and to support a "Medicare for all" type "free" healthcare in the United states would see a taxpayer in the middle class (~50kusd per year) would see a 150% increase in income taxes. Tell me again why I should have to pay the healthcare costs for anyone other than myself?
Hunter Ross
>Every other "civilized" country has free healthcare for everyone
Bernie likes to say this but are Russia and China not major countries, or what?
Carter Gonzalez
I didn't say it was a plan, just pointing it out.
It increases the overall cost of services, yes.
Aside from that , most insurance policies don't cover the full costs, not including premium.
I knew a guy that was a passenger in a car wreck. He got pretty fucked up and had a $25,000 bill. For some reason, the car insurer offered him a cash settlement of $15,000 to be relieved of liability. He took the cash and never paid the hospital anything.
Brayden Jackson
its competeting against other healthcare insurance providers and they have to raise their prices plain and simple
Austin Perry
Bernie is the least corrupt politician of our lifetime. We had our chance and we fucking blew it.
Brandon King
Oh boy, I sure would have loved to have a President that's never worked outside of politics a day in his life and has no fucking experience in the least with regards to the logistics of running the small businesses that make our economy great, but then supports decisions that impacts small business owners massively.
For example, like forcing them to provide healthcare for their workers if they have more than 50, so most of them just hire 49 since having to provide healthcare for them would bankrupt their business.
Bernie doesn't have a fucking clue about anything, but boy does he have his strong opinions about giving everyone "access" (read: FREE SHIT paid for by everyone else, including the people that can't afford it in the first place) to healthcare
Christopher Flores
> why I should have to pay the healthcare costs for anyone other than myself?
Because the spillover effects from keeping productive workers healthy boosts the economy, and thus your income.
You can't be so retarded as to not realize this. When people are sick or dead they can't work, which means no production of goods/services and no tax revenue. Both of which power the economy.
Nicholas Perez
You can't be so retarded as to not realize that there are other ways to provide affordable healthcare to everyone that wants it without stuffing it down their throats.
But you retards just want it for free, mandated by the government, and paid for by everyone else. Tell all the thousands of people that live in countries with fucking terrible (BUT SOCIALIZED!) healthcare systems that get FUCKED out of lifesaving surgeries because the hospital was too full of all of the other freeloaders to accommodate them.
Nolan Cruz
Tell them how great it is*
James Rodriguez
And which first-world countries would that be?
Christian Smith
The same token can extend to housing and food. Poorly fed workers are less productive, likewise with those who are poorly rested due to inadequate shelter. Is paying for my food and shelter your responsivility as well? If so I'll share my PayPal so you can pick up this month's rent.
So anyone who isn't a productive worker shouldn't recieve healthcare? Who determines what a productive worker is? When my retired gramps falls down and breaks his hip should we just put him down like a racehorse?
Levi Ramirez
I don't agree with him but I can tell you that you interpreted his post incorrectly.
Elijah Wright
> You can't be so retarded as to not realize that there are other ways to provide affordable healthcare to everyone that wants it without stuffing it down their throats.
Oh no, I realize that. The problem is that any healthcare solution in the US has to be agreed upon by republicans - which is why we wound up instituting romneycare instead of something like the NHS.
> terrible healthcare systems
The healthcare in the UK, australia and countries in Northern Europe is actually kind of awesome. Nobody's getting fucked out of lifesaving surgeries.
Also protip: the high costs are not because of socialized medicine. The high costs are due to factors such as the FDA approval process being wildly out of date, and the fact that we're using largely palliative care when we should be using curative medicine (but we didn't learn how to make actual curative medicine until very recently)
> The same token can extend to housing and food.
Yes, now you're getting there.
> Is paying for my food and shelter your responsibility as well?
Collectively yes,
> If so I'll share my PayPal so you can pick up this month's rent.
I paid my taxes - go through the benefits system like you're supposed to.
Prove it isn't the fault of incompetent management or lack of transportation.
Aiden Davis
> So anyone who isn't a productive worker shouldn't recieve healthcare?
You could try doing it that way, or you could just make it so that everyone is healthy and let them handle the productivity on their own. Less overhead with the same end result.
Robert Cook
>Prove it isn't the fault of incompetent management or lack of transportation.
>incompetent management Well, almost assuredly incompetent management, but that's to be expected.
>lack of transportation Sure. Read the first four lines of the article.
Ryder Taylor
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Easton Gray
This crazed socialist fuckstick should have been POTUS.
Evan Edwards
There's nothing here about the hospital's ability to transport him to a place with beds.
Julian Martinez
Bad luck for the guy, but at least he has access to a surgeon and will probably have his cancer operation eventually without becoming homeless from the bill afterwards.
No idea what "overcrowding" means for that particular hospital, but if there was a sudden influx of patients with need for emergency care it's probably the right choice to postphone a cancer operation that can be done at a later time.
Still more acceptable than not getting the operation at all because you don't have any money or giving priority to patients with less urgent problems but more money.
Connor Torres
...Because when you sign up to have a surgery in one place through their shitty healthcare system, that gives you a slot at a particular hospital for a particular time, it's not like America where you can be like "Well take me to another hospital to get this done now." because chances are all of the other hospitals have their own waiting lists that are also fucking people out of their own surgeries for one reason or another.
Bentley Morris
Want to talk about how the UK's shitty medical infrastructure sometimes forces people to wait for hours for an ambulance? I can cite plenty of instances of that, too. In the US people complain if they have to wait 30 minutes.
Jace Hill
> chances are
No way to know unless you find out.
Regardless, a lack of cooperation between the hospitals has jack shit to do with who pays for it and under what conditions.
Repeat: shitty infrastructure has nothing to do with where the money comes from and everything to do with the competence of the people who design and manage the system
Jeremiah Evans
I'd rather w8 for a few hours on my ambulance when I don't have a life threatening problem (They obviously prioritize by severity). Than that I have to go bankrupt because I had an unfortunate accident.
PS: I pay 100 euros a month in the Netherlands for my insurance.
Cameron Turner
No, why would I? I'm not from the UK and have no idea about their infrastructure. If an ambulance really takes that long, that will cost lives and needs to be adressed quickly. I don't see the connection to public healthcare, though.
Wyatt Gomez
I agree wholeheartedly. My opinion is that individuals operating in free markets are more efficient at this than the government.
Luis Sanchez
>GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!
You mean being a normal, non-retarded country
Jonathan Ortiz
"free" healthcare would require at least a 50% tax on every class, gutting the military, tripling the debt and would have shittier doctors
Caleb Lee
Because the ambulances are owned by the public healthcare system? And how having socialized healthcare ultimately cuts on the quality of care you receive?
Tl:dr: business woman asks how to expand past 50 employees without being bankrupted by Obamacare.
Joseph Flores
amerifags, enjoy living in your 3rd world country, getting raped by your corporations and getting fed right-wing dumbshit by your media?
glad you have free guns and believe in the rapture, so go and kill yourselves already, proving intelligent design after all
Caleb Turner
Why do you place so much trust in the government to act in your best interests? If you're an American that means that Donald Trump and a republican congress are the ones you hand this responsibility to. I would rather act as an individual and keep my own care to someone I trust- myself.
Kayden Ortiz
>3rd world
I dont think you know what that means
>getting raped by your corporations Better than getting raped by refugees
>getting fed right-wing dumbshit by your media We get fed both right-wing and left-wing dumbshit by our media. At least in the US we get to choose which dumbshit we get fed. Can't say the same for Europe.
>glad you have free guns They're quite expensive, actually
>believe in the rapture Wow, insulting people for their religious beliefs? I'm not Christian, but that's pretty shitty.
>Go and kill yourselves already proving intelligent design Many Christian denominations consider it a mortal sin to commit suicide. Damning them to hell. Nice try, though.
>getting raped by your corporations Better than getting raped by refugees
i chuckled at this
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Kevin Cox
That sucks I'm only paying 53$ a month in California. Finally have health insurance for the first time in 26 years old life starting next month. My brother is paying over 450$ for himself and wife and kid but he has 4 restaurants. They make thousands just during lunch hours.
Gavin King
Ironically I would've had health insurance this coming year if I didnt have to pay 600 dollars in fines for not having it for the last two years.
Broke 21 year old college student not sucking his parent's tits btw
Thanks Obama
Joshua Watson
fags whine that health care is to high and that Obama did nothing to curb it. Then they whine that government is to fucking big and should keep its hands off of as much as possible.
They blame government for not doing shit yet in turn blame the government for trying to do anything.
The irony being that stopping the privatization of health insurance and letting the government negotiate prices as well and expanding medicare for meaning more government would all work towards helping curb the health care cost around the country.
Bigger government oversight could solve the problem but fuck big government yet still fuck the government for doing nothing even though the government should keeps its mits off of everything. Sounds dumb but that's how a lot of right wing fags argue about shit not realizing how dumb they are.
and shit even contrary to right wing arguments universal health care would be a great business move since the governments wealth comes from the people mostly and not shit like natural resources. So why is it always shit upon by supposed business people when investing in ones primary source of income to later reap higher economic rewards from it should be fucking basic logic.
Liam Nelson
Dude my friend hasn't had health insurance since never. I just did his taxes and put he couldn't afford health insurance through his work or from his income for the whole year. His 600$ fee was dropped and he got back 1500+.
