Are Finns really descended from Mongols?

Are Finns really descended from Mongols?

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post finnish boys too

No they're """white"""

No they are amerindians.

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well she is a boy

It really triggers me that half of Finns posted here look like Russians. We are Slavic, reee.

She looks a lot like my cousin's fiance, except she has black hair (And I presume this girl has natural black hair, too, considering her roots and eyebrows).

Not Mongols but a similar people from the steppes of West Siberia who much like the Mongols after them flooded into Europe on horseback.

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>finns
>product of a thousand years of swedish rape
>russians
>product of finns being raped by variags

As much as Hungarains, except they got raped by Swedes and not turks.

>swede
>product of thousands years of cucking and decades of islam

hungarians never got raped by turks
they're simply slavic (serbian/czech/slovakian)

Care to link to a haplogroup study which would back up your ideas?

but muh svea rike, muh vikangz
no we are the achmed

the chance of anyone here being able to explain to you in any reasonable level of detail the complex genetic makeup of finns: 0%
the chance of you understanding jack shit even if someone did the former: 2%
the chance of receiving dozens of contradictory meme answers: 100%

might as well take the ancient finnic empire as a fact and read up on the finno-korean hyper war.

But Varangians were Finns.

>According to the FamilyTreeDNA Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project, Rurik appears to have belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup N1c1, based on testing of his modern purported male-line descendants.[7] N1c1 is not widely found in Scandinavian countries, but is overwhelmingly found among Baltic and Finnish ethnicities. The N1c1 haplotype possess the distinctive value DYS390=23, also rarely found in Scandinavia.[citation needed] The closest relatives of the Rurikid haplotype are found in coastal Finland,[8]

Also less than 5% of our lineages are of Swedish origin.
>Of the 28% of I1 in Finland, 65% belong to the exclusively Finnish L287 (downstream of L22) and particularly its L258 subclade. A few percents more belong to other subclades that are also specifically Finnish (e.g. L300). The rest (5-10%) generally resemble more closely Swedish I1. The Swedish-like subclades are unsurprisingly found primarily on the west and south-west coast of Finland, where Swedes have settled in historical times and where Swedish is still spoken. This is also where most of the R1b (3.5%) and Scandinavian R1a-Z282 (3%) is to be found. The Scandinavian I1 in Finland is found at a similar proportion to R1b and R1a as in Sweden. In contrast, Finnish I1 is found in all the country, where hardly any Germanic Y-DNA is present strongly hints that the I1 in Finland is pre-Germanic origin.

Nothing complex about it. We're basically Snow Mongols who bleached themselves with Aryan wombs.

They look nothing like us actually. You should drink less boyaryshnik, m8, this shit could make you blind one day.

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found from a facebook profile posted in a unrelated thread on yli a moment ago

It's a well known archaeological fact that Proto-Finnics went to settle in the Roslagen part of Sweden that Rus hailed from back in the day.

Finns basically spawned the relevant Swedes with their dicks.

Russia spans half of Northern Eurasia, people from St. Petersburg region and Ingria obviously don't look like people from Smolensk or Yakutsk.

Enough with this meme already. Just let it go, it's stale and distorts reality.

No, we aren't Mongols, we're regional Balto-Scandinavians with Uralic admixture.

>coastal finland
You mean little new Baghdad?

Nothing complex about quantum mechanics either, it's just a bunch of particles and/or waves now knowing what the fuck they're doing.
With enough semantic wrapping, everything becomes simple.

>we

t. Pekkaricles

>something is only an approximation of the truth thus wrong

People on Sup Forums aren't looking for a detailed explanation but something easy they can understand with their small white brains

I believe it is the Finnic man's burden to try and uplift the lesser races, especially the whites, as they still have some potential left. Memes (and the subliminal knowledge they are engineered to carry) will only take us so far towards this goal.

Give me a thorough explanation of Finnish origins, then. Specifically the origin of N1c1.

I only know enough about the subject matter to be aware that "le mongols" is not a very good explanation. Since I have no personal interest in such things and my IQ is too low to quickly absorb the available data from various sources, I don't know anywhere near enough to be able to give a thorough explanation, and it's unlikely anyone here does.

>people from St. Petersburg region and Ingria obviously don't look like people from Smolensk or Yakutsk.
Wrong

I heard that
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>it's unlikely anyone here does.

More like you reject the conclusions made by actual geneticists because they hurt your feelings.

It is known that N1c(TAT-C) originates in East Asia and arrived to Europe through south Siberia.
That sounds pretty Mongol doesn't it?

It's very easy to make the connection between the spread of N1c and the arrival of East Asian pottery technology to European Russia but that doesn't necessarily mean they moved at exactly the same speed. Comb Ceramic Finland may have had no N1c whatsoever. Estonian Comb Ceramic was R1a* so Finland may have been as well.

I suppose it would be pointless of me to point out that haplogroups actually do not correlate very much with the actual genetic makeup of the population or the individual, even if they can be used as a tool to trace ancient migratory movements?

Since you appear to be neurotypical and feel inclined to take our persons and feelings into the matter, I suppose I should also point out that I would in no way detest being classified as a mongol, as I view them with great admiration.

meant to reference you with (also check em)

>that one autistic finn

>one

all Finns on Sup Forums seem to have become interested in population genetics to some extent, for...some reason

But the subject was the origin of N1c not autosomal DNA?
You're trying to insist it's somehow mysterious or difficult to understand and no one here knows anything.
It's actually pretty simple and moderately well understood.

For every Finn that talks about haploshit there's several hundred that just post retarded frogs and spurdos.

damn, it's worse than I thought then :D :X xD

If we use the spread of N1C to define us as mongols, we could also make a bunch of very interesting and counter-cultural definitions regarding the racial categorization of populations in other countries. If we agree that such reasoning constitutes a valid way to define a race, then indeed we are mongols. I suppose I was merely questioning whether that is truly a meaningful way to define a population's membership to a race category.

Very true.

t. Fellow haplogroup connoisseur

The Mongol thing is a __________meme________

All memes generally have some truth to them however little or actually irrelevant.

The truth quotient of the "Finns are Mongols" meme is actually not that bad for _____meme_____ standards.
Our ancestors may very well have fished in lake Baikal at some point.

what a shitty wizard.

heh, you mean the other way around my dear Vlad

I like you. You're good.

100% NO. we are just ugly as sin

One of them scratched his balls in the Sayan Mountains, that's for certain.

Calling the guy who can literally sing you in to a swamp bad. Bad move friendo. He was aslo birthed by the creator of the world. Also this particular folk wizard was the inspiration for a lot of Lotr stuff.

>Väinämöinen has been identified as a source for Gandalf, the wizard in J. R. R. Tolkien's novel The Lord of the Rings.[4] Another Tolkienian character with great similarities to Väinämöinen is Tom Bombadil. Like Väinämöinen, he is one of the most powerful beings in his world, and both are ancient and natural beings in their setting. Both Tom Bombadil and Väinämöinen rely on the power of song and lore. Likewise, Treebeard and the Ents in general have been compared to Väinämöinen.[5]

>people from St. Petersburg region and Ingria obviously don't look like people from Smolensk or Yakutsk

Russians from Petersburg and Smolensk look the same, ethnic Russians living in Yakutia are indistinguishablefrom Russians living in other regions.

I'll grant you that your old capital St. Pete probably reflects the general demographics of Russia but the small towns in NW Russia would have non-Slavic looking individuals.
It's proven by genetic studies that Slavs didn't replace prior populations.

thats helsinki

Oh, I remember you, you're that schizophrenic finn claiming Russia (and particularly all the territories to the north of Moscow) is originally a Finnic land.

>It's proven by genetic studies that Slavs didn't replace prior populations.

What studies? Could you post a link please, I'd like to read about them too.

>schizophrenic

Lmao, it's a well known fact you retard.

Kostromans look intermediate between Saami people and Slavs but not much like Finns.

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Baltic-Finns are just too mixed with local Baltic women I guess to look like these north Volga Finnics.

Well originally it was.


t: Other

As for genetics...

wtf was ancient finns black?

Yeah, for some reason Rurik also has a black hair, skin like a tatar and dark eyes.

Even though he's a Finnic kang. lmao

yes.

the original Finns were dark haired, dark eyed and tan people who looked a lot like Inuit. modern Finns became like that through mixing with Balts and Germanics

you can see the original Finnic phenotype in some people, still, but Finns usually worship the Swedish Germanic phenotype due to colonialism in their country and discriminate against the so-called Old Finns ("vanhasuomalaisia" is a popular swear word) which is very sad

t. Siuntiolainen

Tummat hämäläiset on muuten saamelaisten jälkeläisiä eivät suomalaisten

>TFW you will never post YouTube videos of yourself getting drunk on the Finnish taxpayers' dime

SE ON VITTU MEEMI SENKIN DIPPI

really makes you think...

Juu siuntiolaishurrin meemi se on

It's a shame for my country see this degenerated chimp asking for finnish boys.

you're really bad at shitposting and it's too obvious. I consider Ikibey to be better at this and he only knows one sentence.

ARE YOU HAVING A GIGLE YOU TURKISH FUCK?
IS IT FUNNY? HUH?

Yes theyre

That's one of many depictions of him.

I have seen many girls like her. Also not all Finns look like creeps that fionnposters like to show us here for fun. We have some types which are literally the same, both men and women.

What's the difference, my dear... what's the generic Hungarian name?

He is portrayed as a generic Cossack here with Cossack features (Slavic + Turkish) and moustache. Due to heavy influence of Southern church and some Cossack culture it was popular and dark types were seen as attractve and exotic through centuries here in the North. Writers often made girl characters with dark hair and black eyes, they were in songs, etc. 'Black-eyed, black-browed' theme is very notable. Look at modern day Ukrainians, those of them who are dark are real ethnic Ukrainians, the descendants of those medieval Cossacks.

Too bad N1c1 predates the concept of mongols by tens of thousands of years and trying to simplify it as you did just goes to show that the attempts was made by someone who knows nothing about the subject.

As someone else mentioned before it's pointless to argue. Finns will remain the most blonde and blue-eyed people in the world regardless of the misinformed opinions propagated on Sup Forums and there's nothing even the most self-hating rat can do about it.

Person from Komi, Russia.

(Very close relative of Finnish nationals)

>Finns will remain the most blonde and blue-eyed people in the world
Acknowledging our Asiatic origin doesn't undo that, you know.

t. other

N1c is still connected by origin to the land of the Mongols which gives some validity the idea that Finns are in fact Mongols in some way.
Besides, it's flattering to Finns to be associated with Mongols which makes the maymay so fun for us.

I have brown hair and green eyes so why the fuck should I care about blonde hair and blue eyes anyway?

>Too bad N1c1 predates the concept of mongols
They definitely weren't blonde and blue-eyed, that much we can say.

What interests me most is the self-hating some finns showcase on Sup Forums when it comes to discussing the racial history of baltic finns and assorted finnic populations.

They will argue to the ends of the earth that finns are dark haired, slanty eyed, 1.65 cm asian looking mongoloids as if it produced some king od sexual pleasure in them. I imagine it is some form of emotional sadomasochistic play similar to american cuckoldry and black bulls or israeli holocaust porn. The thought of being racially inferior gets their libido running harder than nothing else. They literally get off on anonymous users of Sup Forums calling them mongols and will even enforce this meme by cherrypicking pictures of other finns who are squinting in direct sunlight or are just traditionally ugly.

Very fascinating but also slightly sad since for the past 7 years it has been impossible to post under a finnish flag in threads that are about asians or haplogroups.

>it's flattering to Finns to be associated with Mongols
>They will argue to the ends of the earth that finns are dark haired, slanty eyed, 1.65 cm asian looking mongoloids ... I imagine it is some form of emotional sadomasochistic play
??????
Choose one

>They will argue to the ends of the earth that finns are dark haired, slanty eyed, 1.65 cm asian looking mongoloids
Nobody does that unironically, it's fun to trigger Aryanists with it though seeing as most of our mtDNA is Indo-European. But it's NRM-tier to claim that Proto-N1c1 were blonde and blue-eyed and went on to conquer Siberia or some other ridiculous bullshit.

Holy shit so much this.


Probably not the same guy and it still wouldn't be the same since the finns forcing the mongol meme force it in way that makes it look unpleasant and not that they'd actually be proud of such sort of thing, you've seen it.

t. Other ofc.

No one was "blonde" that far back you silly autist. It's a practical genetic defect that developed on some populations who by maybe selective breeding or bottlenecking acquired the trait.

You if any would know this.

I think you're a bit mental ill which explains why you're in denial about these things.

Finns linguistic and paternal ancestors obviously weren't blonde. Maybe they were 165 cm but that wasn't unusual in the distant past since everyone was shorter.

It's not a cuckold fantasy to acknowledge Finns have mixed origins which is the source of this blond hair and blue eyes you obsess about.

I bet you've never said anything to a Swedish shitposter who said Finns got blond hair from Swedish colonists mixing with Finnish women because that kind of cuck fantasy is your kind of thing(and false).

Surely many of those types are proxies or Fennoswedes?

Delusional idiots who've gone too deep into the rabbit hole and are slowly losing it.

that's my uneducated guess.

Those traits developed independently only once in the history of Eurasia, so selective breeding seems most likely. But that's what I've said from the start.

>Finns are a mixture of Sibero-Uralic and European people

>RÄÄÄÄÄ FUCK FACTS!!! WE IZ BLONDIZ AND SHIT FUCKIGN HELL STOP THIS WE WUZ NORD RÄÄÄÄÄ THIS IS LIES! KEK KEK KEK!

>WE IZ BLONDIZ AND SHIT
Well we are and we don't look mongols, take it easy. We don't know what we looked tens of thousands of years ago and your guesswork is as good as mine so you might aswell just drop it. When we started to descend from volga at that point we weren't asian looking for sure. As we can look at the current and past depictions of the volga-finns we descend from. So you'd have to go further than Urals to find us looking asian. And that's so long ago. You might aswell call humans just cryptoniggers from africa for the sake of your argument.

Great example of a proud steppe warrior.
Praise tengri and throatsing my mongol brother! (that was a freebie you can jerk off to later ;))

Finns are from Altay Mountains, that's it.

>You might aswell call humans just cryptoniggers from africa for the sake of your argument.
hmm

t. other

I know it's a rather disputed origin story but it dominates the narrative so i used it. Thank you, any more questions?

>tens

No point going back so far. Uralic languages are only 5000 years old. Some even bring it down to 4000 but these aren't mainstream views or realistic anyway.
So our ancestors 5000 years ago were in West Siberia. They probably looked like West Siberians.
But they soon got into contact with Indo-Aryan charioteer people coming from the west and that changed everything forever. They adapted to a different more mobile and warlike way of life, probably out of necessity to defend themselves. These Indo-Aryan charioteers were the strongest fighting force on earth that could take out entire civilizations in India and Middle East.

Contact with the charioteers resulted in our ancestors becoming quite an efficient fighting force themselves that was capable of spreading itself west into domains had been the property of Indo-Europeans and paleo-Europeans. During these days, they mixed with women of European descent and acquired these traits like blond hair at least to some degree.
Much later on their mixed descendants spread to Finland and also dominated over previous populations, quite backwards and weak compared to them and probably became even blonder.

She's cute

Wew lad, I actually thought you believed the stuff you were saying in other threads about "superior Finno-Ugrics" bringing civilisation to Indo-Aryans who they completely dominated and chose the blondest women from for breeding.

>russian geneticists
I bet you listen to alex jones too