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This pleases me. Absolutely Halal.

Maybe they're Muslim. Islam is a religion, not an ethnicity.

Cool cultural destruction there, Ahmed. Wanna bring it to the White House?

How is that any different from this?

their faces aren't pressed against a dirty carpet with their asses in the air.

One side is winning, one is losing badly,

no difference faggot, its still brainwash

The flag they're pledging allegiance to has never fucked a nine year old.

Has to be a field trip by one of those Quaker schools

Neither did God? Muslims don't pledge their allegiance to Muhammad.

And regardless, most of the founding fathers raped their slaves routinely. They weren't exactly saints.

>maybe they're muslim
do the girls look like rag heads to you?

Prove it.

True

The girls would be in the back, then

no you dumbass islam is for subhumans. christianity at least has better moral standards which isnt a bad influence

its also a pledge to a country not a religion

What's the difference?

Pledging allegiance to the flag is not pledging allegiance to god.

>Muslims don't pledge their allegiance to Muhammad.

Are you fucking serious right now?

>founding fathers raped their slaves routinely.

Muhammad raped his nine year old wife. Way more fucked up than fucking slaves.

>religion for moral standards
top zozzle user, sure...

implying people don't do this if they're atheist or haven't done this centuries before either religion ever existed. Stop being retarded, user.

>Pledging allegiance to the flag is not pledging allegiance to god
What's the difference? And regardless, how do you know they're pledging allegiance to God? Looks like they're just prostrated to me.

>Are you fucking serious right now?
Yes. Muhammad is a prophet. Muslims submit to God, not to Muhammad.

>Muhammad raped his nine year old wife. Way more fucked up than fucking slaves.
Not really; owning slaves is bad enough, raping them is abhorrent. Can you link me a contemporaneous source that states that Aisha's marriage was consummated at the age of nine?

>Pledging allegiance to the flag is not pledging allegiance to god.
>One nation, under God...

"only the other religion kills people, people that follow my shit book from thousands of years ago are all righteous"

Most people born into a religion continue it through their life. Eyes closed shut motherfuckers the world over.

[spoiler]Christianity is better.[/spoiler]

lol, shows what you know about Christianity.

Where to begin.
1. The flag is a representation of freedom for ones self. Though we are held down at times by our own rules, we still have much more liberties than muslims/islam.
2. We, as a nation, are not wanting the deaths of those who do not think our way. We may not approve of many cultures around the world, such as in the middle east, we still will not go and destroy their nations. (Please retort for this, I already have a response).
3. Read the Koran, that shit is crazy.
4. Many women here enjoy their freedoms. Women supporting sharia law in the united states is equivalent to chicken supporting KFC.
5. Their teachings and cultures are crimes against humanity. Killing a raped women for not fending off her rapist, throwing gays off buildings, female mutilations, forced marriages, underage marriages, sexual abuse of children, cutting off limbs for low tier crimes, etc.
Need anymore?
I welcome and bring encourage all responses with a counter argument.

in a nutshell, this

bitch you're a because you were born in . if you were born anywhere else, your set of belief would have been totally different and you would still swear it's THE right religion

massive bullshit overall

Islam is the final religion. Muhammad(PBOH) is Allah's prophet. All others are pretenders. Allahuh Akbar. I can't wait till Sweden's new language is arabic.

>We still will not go and destroy their nations

You talkin about the same America I know and love, user? Last I checked we kicked the ass of every sideways lookin sand nigger we can find an excuse to beat to shit. Fuck, we made up that high powered weapons existed in a place where they eat sleep for dinner, just so we could test out drones and let the next generation knock some heads together. The only thing that brings this country together is finding someone new to hate.

What are you talking about?

They're praying to Mecca. Why Mecca? That is where Muhammad was born and revealed his "prophecies."

>Muslims submit to God, not Muhammad

Their religious law is based around the behaviour and life of Muhammad. Furthermore, as I stated above, they pray in the direction of Mecca, where Muhammad lived.

>Requesting contemporaneous source

No, I can't. Just as I don't have a contemporaneous source that Jesus existed. Modern scholarship will have to do.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

"I pledge allegiance to the flag"

What your perspective wants to infer from that is up to you.

The education department should not be able to organize events which include participating in religious activities. However, I believe the photo is from Sweden - a country notorious for its social democratic retardation. Those poor Scandinavian children are lost.

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Rape isn't new, people being shitty isn't new. We've literally been seeing this since the dawn of our species.It isn't the goddamn religion, it's us. It's people. Because you've find the similar fucked up shit in all religions.

The flag is a representation of the state, which has committed atrocities the same as what has been done in the name of Islam.

>We, as a nation, are not wanting the deaths of those who do not think our way.
Really? Bombing the shit out of countries to bring the democracy seems to fit the bill. And Islam has never been about "destroying nations"; the early Muslim conquests generally left cities intact and civilians unharmed. They were even allowed to retain their culture, language and religion for the most part.

>Read the Koran, that shit is crazy.
I have read the Qu'ran, many, many times. However, I can say for a fact that you haven't , because no one who has ever read it would recommend someone to read it. There is nothing in the Qu'ran any more "crazy" than what is in many other religious texts.

>They're praying to Mecca. Why Mecca? That is where Muhammad was born and revealed his "prophecies."
They pray to Mecca because that's where the Kaaba is, not because that's where Muhammad was born. Regardless, many Surahs in the Qu'ran are from Medina, not Mecca.

>Their religious law is based around the behaviour and life of Muhammad
What does that have to do with "pledging allegiance to Muhammad"? You're moving the goal posts; we're not talking about Sharia law.

>No, I can't. Modern scholarship will have to do.
Modern scholarship regarding Aisha is contentious; even the article you listed has several scholars disputing Aisha's age. You are treating the story of their marriage as if it were a historical fact, which is nonsense.

Who is it "cool to hate" right now in America? What class of people can anyone publicly insult and hate-on with no social stigma, aside from roasting white people? Go check reality. I fucking double dog dare you to go stand on a street corner holding a "I hate muslims" sign.

I understand your point, but the fact is that most other religions - some older than Islam, some younger - they have all began to adapt to the modern world. Islam in the last forty years has reverted back to its primitive origins.

Modern Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, etc. have found a way to follow the good tenets of their religions while still functioning in the modern world. Muslims have struggled with that. And no, most Muslims don't support suicide bombing and killing infidels...but they seem to have a hell of a time disavowing it.

Hm I should of reworded my 2.
We as a nation was referring more to we as a people. I agree, as a nation, yes, we have falsified informations to get the nation riled up for a reason to invade. Yes we have bombed them into more pieces than their suicide bombers ever have. Yes, we gave them weapons through proxies that have formed terrorist groups.

Was going to use my retort saying the majority of the people doesnt want to do anything with the middle east until we fix our own problem. That those we elect, those who hide information, those media outlets who wont tell us the whole story are the ones driving the factor. Hence our division in the war in iraq, and the middle east in general. That would of been my response. If we knew the story, we wouldnt want anything to do with the middle east. I fucked up on my wording.

We dont come together when we hate something, we have been together as a people for many rough times in our recent history. The depression, the droughts, the homelessness, the rising in crime in poverty stricken cities, illegal drugs, gangs, and policies that dont favor the american people.
>The only thing that brings this country together is finding someone new to hate.
The only thing that brings this country together is times when the people are in need of one another. Go outside and look around your cities, look at how many people will donate their money, offer their time, give their belongings to other less fortunate.

This has to be england

Filthy carpet munchers

>Was going to use my retort saying the majority of the people doesnt want to do anything with the middle east until we fix our own problem.
How do you fix our security problem without having something to do with the Middle East you fucking moron?

Also, source?

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I'll get high fives in my small town with a population of 7k people. I'll do that if you pay me.

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Goddammit, Sweden! You fucked up! Soon we'll have another country that needs to be bombed.

If I did, I can guarantee you that for everyone one person complaining about me on facebook, there would be at least 2 rednecks in MAGA hats that come and join me.

All these Swedish children need to have their pale bottoms bared and spanked to a rosy glow for participating in a foreign religious custom.

yes good, they are being accepting.. look at the teachers smiling. They are aiding the children in accepting all religions, becoming familiar with them and they will all suck the antichrist dick when it is a hunaitarian and liberal making them all happy and joyful and accepting of eachother and every single religion

You know what to do.

Muhammad is the source of their religion. Without Muhammad, there is no Islam. The Kaaba actually predates Islam as a holy sight, so to imply that they are independently facing that direction just for God is disingenuous. You're downplaying the role of Muhammad.

>what does that have to do with pledging allegiance to Muhammad?

Muhammad is the source and core of their religious code, beliefs, and traditions. Muhammad is a sacred figure and cannot even be depicted, so don't act like he's just a bystander to the development of Islam.

>treating their marriage as a historical fact

Yes, because it is widely accepted as a historical fact. Her age at the time of marriage, and at the time of consummation, has a range of 2-3 years, yes, but it is widely accepted that she was a young girl in both instances.

The fact that historians and scholars have differing interpretation of the primary sources is common to all of history before 20th century. That is not enough to cast reasonable doubt on the entire marriage/relationship.

You are, of course, welcome to share some compelling evidence that overrules or disproves the existing historical record.

tolerant

>historical fact
>existing historical record
how much of a fucking retard are you? the oldest source regarding her age was written like 250 years after muhammad. calling that a "historical fact" is ridiculous and tells me you've never taken a history class in your life

Oh please enlighten me and what atrocities this nation has committed and i will counter it with cold hard facts of what good our nations has done.
>we as a nation
Never have i stated it isnt like other religious text, i have stated it is insane for the koran to state to kill gays, stone women who committed infidelity, allow the rape of their captives, kill hypocrites of their religion, keep killing until you get killed, put terror into the heart of those who dont follow the word of the koran. I read it, why i stated its fucking lunatic. Ill take the parts only stating to take care of ones health and to not do any atrocities for it does more harm than, The book contradicts itself several times about god is merciful yet demands the deaths of those who break his idiotic rules.

I really do feel bad for Europe. They won't be taken down through violence or intimidation. They're going to be taken down by breeding. So, it's cool that they take in refugees and truly want to help people, but their own kindness and compassion will bring about the death of their culture. It's like a slow and steady plague that nobody realizes is there until it's too late.

I've taken a dozen history courses in my life, but none related to the history of Islam.

But since you're claiming that her age and her relationship with Muhammad is false, tell me how old she WAS. And provide a compelling source, please.

How old was Aisha when she was married to Muhammad? How old was she when the marriage was consummated?

why are all the black kids are in the back

I wonder if the male students gangbang the teacher when she gives them after school lessons at her house.

these people are so sick in the head

That flag also enslaved entire races

Because it's the sand nigger version and comes with more allegiance and potential violence.

Meh. I'm OK with it. It's the no more offensive to me than forcing atheist kids to say "Under God" in the pledge, or those fucking awful school prayers we had to do when I was a kid. We also don't have any context for what's happening here, so it could just be the mosque showing a group of kids how they pray for a field trip or something. It's only threatening and scary if you are just knee jerk afraid of Islamic culture.

Son, this makes me furious

>Muhammad is the source of their religion. Without Muhammad, there is no Islam.
Okay.

>The Kaaba actually predates Islam as a holy sight, so to imply that they are independently facing that direction just for God is disingenuous.
Are you just rambling now? They face Mecca because that's where the Kaaba is; it it was revealed to Muhammad that they should face the Kaaba when they pray. That's the reason. It isn't because it was his birthplace.

>You're downplaying the role of Muhammad.
I'm not downplaying anything, all I said was that they don't "pledge allegiance" to him. You're the one who has been spouting random bullshit ever sense.

>Muhammad cannot even be depicted
Untrue. That isn't a hard rule.

>because it is widely accepted as a historical fact
By Muslims citing hadith written nearly 300 years after the marriage actually happened, not by historians.

>the existing historical record.
You mean religious myth?

Is that really different than early America?

Bury your idols muslims, POTUS and the USA WILL RULE

Every single powerful society has enslaved entire races. It's human nature, not US nature. Doesn't make it right, but no culture can point the finger at another one in that regard.

Seems like a field trip in which they are learning about the Islamic culture. I see no problems with education.

The flag did that?

the caaba and all religions can go fuck themselves same with scientology they belive we are a prison planet and the moon is somehow a machine that recycles souls back onto this planet when you die and the elite are ruled by interdimensional entities and that the large hadron collider is being used to make their connection stronger. Bloody batshit insane if you ask me

have you ever taken a course in logic and how not to argue a strawman? because that's all you've been doing for a dozen posts. no one knows how old she was, and some old fuck writing hundreds of years after the events in question is not a source.

might as well say jesus murdering a group of children is a HISTORICAL FACT because it's in the infancy gospel of thomas

yeah...and youre pretty retarded to think otherwise

>I've taken a dozen history courses in my life
You've taken a dozen history courses and you think that someone recounting the age of a girl when she was married 250 years ago makes it a historical fact? Must not haven payed very close attention on how to vet sources

>They face Mecca because that's where the Kaaba is; it it was revealed to Muhammad that they should face the Kaaba when they pray

Fine. I concede that point. But Muhammad is a revered figure in Islam and is essentially the role-model for how Muslims are supposed to live.

>That isn't a hard rule.

Oh, it's a soft rule? Like Danish cartoonists and Charlie Hebdo broke a soft rule?

>hadith written way after the marriage happened

Okay, so provide a compelling contrary source! If you have a genuine disagreement with the widely accepted historical fact, provide something in the way of evidence. That should be easy to do! C'mon!

>you mean religious myth

What, so now you don't believe anything written about religions can be true if it wasn't written at the same time as the prophets lived? You've got a lot of "this is not true" and "that is false," but not a lot of "this is actually the truth," and "this is the source."

>The Kaaba actually predates Islam
I would like to see some citations for this please. I am curious as to what it was before Islam culturally appropriated it.

yes because Christian's never fought any wars or killed/raped any children

IT'S BETTER ACTUALLY. AT LEAST THEY'RE ALL WHITE

>the widely accepted historical fact
You keep saying this even though it isn't true. Her age isn't a widely accepted historical fact, it's a frequently debated myth without any hard evidence.

. What other religion has this many proxy soldiers in todays age? Muslim religion is so easily used by nations.

Christianity has lost its touch

By your premise, all history that isn't a first-hand account is false.

Come the fuck on! I can tell you aren't a history student because the standards you're applying are literally impossible to apply to academic history.

It was a pagan shrine and the site of the hajj, allegedly connected to Abraham.

>Oh, it's a soft rule? Like Danish cartoonists and Charlie Hebdo broke a soft rule?
It isn't a rule at all. Some Muslim groups find it to be disrespectful or blasphemous, but it isn't universally agreed upon.

How old was Aisha at the time of marriage, and at the time of consummation?

This is a simple question. Stop evading.

>it isn't universally agreed upon

NOTHING IS UNIVERSALLY AGREED UPON ABOUT ANYTHING. That is NOT a sufficient defense.

Where did I say it was false you illiterate ape? All I said was that it wasn't a fact.

>your premise, all history that isn't a first-hand account is false
Complete nonsense non-sequitur

It's a simple strawman you cuck. No one knows how old she was because there are no reliable sources stating her age which is why it has been DEBATED for 1400 years.

You said he "cannot be depicted". He has been depicted, by Muslims in the Muslim world, even in modern times, without punishment.

>make up the answer to a question
>well if you can't make up a competing fantasy, my bullshit is 100% correct!
stay in school kids

That flag has only existed since the 1960s you stupid cunt

Christianity has nothing to do with this argument.

they're not.

There are sources that say nine, ten, twelve, thirteen, seventeen, or nineteen. Other estimates say that she may have been even older. I have no idea which one is correct, but treating "nine" as if it is a cold hard fact with an abundance of evidence behind it is stupid as fuck.

>All I said was it wasn't a fact.

The argument you're making consists solely of casting doubt on historical beliefs. You provide no counter evidence, no source that suggests that why what many historians state is true, is actually false, and no elaboration on why you believe she wasn't a minor.

What makes you think she was an adult? What makes you think she wasn't a child? What is informing your opinion that Aisha was not a child at the time of consummation?

For you to hide behind, "It's not a 100%, universally accepted fact, that she was nine or ten years old, therefore you're full of shit!" is cowardly and disingenuous.

>it's a strawman

No. A strawman is when you misrepresent someone position, and debunk the misrepresentation. However, I am the one who made the claim that Aisha was a child at the time of consummation. I made the argument. I stated my position. You have called me uninformed without providing a single contrary source. So where is the strawman?

He has been famously depicted, and the people who depicted him in the western world were either killed or threatened with violence. Why did this happen? Was it because there is no hadith about depicting Muhammad? Was it because radical Muslims believe he SHOULD be depicted? Please explain.

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stop wasting bacon you terrorist cunt

>you provide no counter evidence
Why don't you read the wikipedia article you linked that cites several different sources saying several different ages?

I said there was a 2-3 year range, but that in all instances, she was a child.

Here are my sources:

muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

>The majority of traditional hadith sources state that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of six or seven, but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, or ten according to Ibn Hisham, when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina.

Where are yours?

Will you two just kiss already?