What do Americans fear most about universal healthcare?

What do Americans fear most about universal healthcare?

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Its moral implications of slavery, how it changes society's perception of the role of government into a care-taker, how it uses people's taxes for taking care of other people, which is not right, how government is incapable of providing good, efficient healthcare, especially to a populous of 3.5 million people, etc.

It wouldn't work for our society. We are a multicultural country with a population of over 300 million. It may work for homogeneous countries with ~50 million people, but definitely not ours.

Probably it becoming our healthcare.

They would have to admit they are wrong.

>how it changes society's perception of the role of government into a care-taker
This. Universal healthcare represents a cultural shift and attitude towards authority that I don't want to see ever happen here. I hope people who want universal healthcare move to countries that have it so they can enjoy it there.

>Waah, healthcare is complicated, Mr. Pfizer told me so!

I never said it was complicated you fucking sperglord

It's jews trying to trick us into communism.

"Universal healthcare is fantasti-"

Majority of Americans are poor it wouldn't work without taxing the rich.

>le america can't do what India can't do, when it's mostly just anglos

I'm sorry that the girl you used to stalk was dating a black dude, but that's no need to be retarded.
Bingo.
>I want to have the freedom to suck wall streets balls.

If that's your kink, there's no need to force it on the rest of us. Just remember that John Gaults cum doesn't taste better than the rest of ours
>slavery

Why are neo-confederates and libertarians the most likely to refer to everything as slavery when they aren't even morally opposed to it?

>slavery
I've never understood this argument, they are paid a wage and are contractually obliged to deliver a service.
They are always free to walk away at any time they choose.

we're not actually interested in helping all members of our society, and privatizing it leads to competition and quality. So why change?

>We are a multicultural country with a population of over 300 million. It may work for homogeneous countries with ~50 million people, but definitely not ours.
Delicious pasta

It's only ever for non-emergencies like non-critical eye surgery or something like that.

I am opposed to slavery. Also, why label me as being a part of some political movement as a replacement for a real argument?

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>and quality
So how's that working out for you?

>It's only ever for non-emergencies like non-critical eye surgery or something like that.

So it's okay to wait months because something isn't 'critical'?

It's not like it can affect your quality of life significantly even if it doesn't kill you or anything... This is third world tier.

I said nothing about India or race or Anglos, you austistic fuck

Universal healthcare proved itself as a great thing in many countries. You pay taxes to make your country healthier, it leads to many good things such as less crime and shit. Works perfect in countries with low corruption.

So you're afraid that they gonna tax 1%? Really makes me think.

>Why are neo-confederates and libertarians the most likely to refer to everything as slavery when they aren't even morally opposed to it?


what the fuck does this even mean?

Morally how? How does morals have anything to do with governance in this situation?

"rights" in American case law mean the citizen is entitled to the service, when government's guaranteed rights are more passive than active. If you're a healthcare worker not upholding the contract between government and citizen, the ire is directed at you.

why does this stupid thread keep coming up? Foreigners can't and won't get why our healthcare is the way it is unless you want to examine and understand our society as a whole. For us its not a "on-off" switch of government spending like putting up a goddamn streetlight.

>Its moral implications of slavery,
what

" UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE IS A GOOD IDEA, IT WILL GIVE EVERYONE ACCESSIBLE HEALTHCARE REGARDLESS OF INCOM-"

That has to do with health choices, like eating too much and not exercising, not health care. Our healthcare and our research hospitals, like Mayo Clinic, at the best in the world.

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Welcome to American lolbertarianism.

thanks for the misrepresented graph.

You get what you pay for, but this graph tells me nothing. Is this a "Cadillac" insurance plan? Does it let you select your providers? Is this free access information thus probably medicare/medicaid which is government quality garbage? Fuck outta here and the NHS that crapped you out.

>autism
Get a haircut Rand.

" THE CANADIAN HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE AMERICAN SYST-"

America is comprised mostly of anglos. India has a billion langagues, and they still have universal health care.
We all know the libertarian end goal is being enslaved to mega-corps. That's what Ron Paul whispers in your ear every single night when you go to sleep.

No, you said it was impossible, which usually means it's just hard.

It's never been proposed as universal. Obamacare was a Frankenstein that supposedly made healthcare affordable for everyone. What happened was that everyone who had insurance already (the majority) had higher premiums and deductibles and worse coverage. Rx costs weren't reduced like they said. My premium went up 43% last year and my deductible increased and I had less plan options. Furthermore the public exchanges were collapsing or in conservatorship as healthy people who didn't had insurance were willing to take the tax hit and the people who joined were much sicker than had been estimated.


t.A guy fucked by Obongo-care and whose friends works for a state oversite of insurance companies.

Public health care fucking sucks and they charge you heaps
People go to private because you actually get healthcare rather than a shitty quick job
t. live in nation with shitty universal health care that you have to pay for

Are you sincerely implying that hundreds of thousands of physicians and personell all around the world who work on the goverment funded hospitals are slaves? That is the most retarded shite I have heard in a while.

And also waiting lines are for months or years, even emergency waiting lines take several hours

" AMERICANS ARE SO STUPID CANADIAN HEALTHCARE IS THE BES-"

if you make just shy of half a million dollars, you're "rich" here. Which isn't a lot, considering the income gap between the middle class and upper middle is 10^-5 the size of the gap between upper middle and upper/top.

Those people basically run the country so those that can afford their own insurance vote to keep their taxes down. "Fuck you I got mine" mentality. Any driven businessman is in this just short of half a million dollars club so they're obviously not interested in paying for others healthcare in addition to their own. A multinational corporation will just leave if you put taxes on the absurdly rich, so yes, America is owned by corporations. There you have it.

" UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE BEST IS A GOOD IDE-"

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Will Trumpcare fix it?

the conception is mostly rooted in legal jargon, I know its hard for a Brazilian to grasp that though, since you don't have functioning laws, enforcement, or a society at all really.

Spenditure. If you don't have free healthcare, you have to actually pay upfront for it either through an insurance or by yourself, as you don't get free healthcare that's payed by the collectivity of the tax payers. What this chart implies is most developed countries spend less on healthcare and live longer than Americans on average

Ayy
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And neither does the rest of the world, apparently. Only you guys know what's right, after all.

Pfizer isn't the one fucking it up. Look at other large countries, would you want medical treatment in Brazil, Russia, India or China?

Also, Wwe pay so we don't have to wait and I can get arthroscopic surgery immediately instead of having my skull removed or chest broken open in 3 months.

I'd pay a small amount if it meant the minority of Americans with no insurance got Russian tier healthcare but don't make me pay drastically more so I get shitty healthcare too. The Republicans should have let it collapse before monkeying with it.

I hear over 30 million Canadians a month cross the border to use US healthcare because it takes months or even years to a see a doctor in Canada. Is this true?

meanwhile, 50 millions are under medicare, 50 millions under medicaid, and 50 millions under food bonds

Never claimed that, huemonkey. Just saying whats right for us. But you're all so jelly you constantly have to get buttmad about our healthcare, muh single payer.

Retards. Your non-whites are mostly working. Shit jobs, but working. If Sweden can do it, anyone can do it.

0.15% of canadians came to america for healthcare treatment

99.85% of canadians stayed in canada for healthcare treatment

looks like universal healthcare is working out pretty well

>the (((washington post)))

No but it's quite a lot anyway

>It's only ever for non-emergencies like non-critical eye surgery or something like that.
A Pole I work with had a brother-in-law who was told they could take care of his kidney stones surgically in a year. Mentally digest the logic of that one.

>healthcare in Canada is slower than average, thus universal healthcare is bad

Flawless logic.

American's have shit health. I'd be interested to see if those countries type two diabetes rates are lower as well. Like I want to spend more in taxes to counsel whales on eating less sugar which they'll ignore, when I could spend a lot less on my own care for a basic plan that covers wellness and maybe an emergency visit.

That's going fantastic for them

You didn't account for how many actually get sick and how many can actually afford to travel to other countries for healthcare

Sweden has nowhere near the amount of our people

Probably not but my point was Obamacare was not even remotely universal healthcare and was failing financially.

I just hate that's it's always the bloody American that comes with the "hurr ur country is shit" ad hominem whenever I use any arguments questioning a thing only you guys do. It's like you don't notice how alien some aspects of your society are to the rest of the world

if they can't afford to travel to a different country for healthcare treatment, they wouldn't be able to afford healthcare under a privatized system

They would because they'd have insurance.

That's okay but your point is moot. The question is why Americans fear it as a concept.

Your argument didn't account for the 60+ other countries that have universal healthcare.

poor people having insurance?

it's almost like you're describing... UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE or something

>poor people having insurance?

Doesn't pretty much every person who works have health insurance in the US?

>Your non-whites are mostly working. Shit jobs, but working.
Shit jobs literally don't pay taxes and illegals are mostly paid under the table so they don't even register (I wish the government would buttfuck their bosses desu since their the real criminals)

Also, I worked retail for a year at Home Depot if I needed it I could have gotten healthcare through them that scaled based on pay.

no

it's only offered by a select few employers and only for select full time positions

>you don't notice how alien some aspects of your society are to the rest of the world
I do, that's precisely why we can't adopt the model of the rest of the world, and why you can't see why we trash your country when its the millionth time we've heard of it. The irony is lost on you if you can't see why we're so different and why universal healthcare has many roadblocks that other countries don't have.

t.physician.

I fucking hate this country

>how it uses people's taxes for taking care of other people
What else would it use taxes for?

We have government health care. It's called Medicare and Medicaid.

>no
>it's only offered by a select few employers and only for select full time positions

According to the annual report on health insurance coverage from the Census Bureau, the uninsured rate dropped to 9.1%, down from 10.4% in 2014. The number of Americans without insurance also dropped, to 29 million from 33 million the year before.

seems to not be true desu

Medicare and Medicaid won't exist next year when Paul Ryan and his republican cronies abolish it

That number is solely because of Obamacare. Once it gets repealed, expect the uninsured rate to absolutely skyrocket

>So it's okay to wait months because something isn't 'critical'?
You don't wait months. You wait weeks at best. The chart is misleading.

What is 3rd world tier is not being able to do the surgery at all. Like in America.

Provide a sourced example. Even then, the best system is obviously a mix of public/non-profit private and a tiny bit of for-profit private hospitals like ours.

>The question is why Americans fear it as a concept.

see

If these don't answer your question, you're too stupid to connect the dots, or accept the answer because you're on a high horse and want to feel superior to American healthcare. Now go away.

The massive deductible on those plans make most of they useless anyway, they'd bankrupt the average citizen.

Many don't but they keep wheeling a hot pile of shit in front of us.

Even those that do have a fear of the government running it more than the idea. Social Security is a train wreck pyramid scheme, Medicare needs suplimentals unless you want to live like a resident of a former Warsaw Pact country, Medicaid prefers to just drug the poor so they shut up (not even kidding I've gone to doctors that had partners who took Medicaid patients). Hell I think our death benefits are still $100, that used to pay for a pine box and 6 foot hole.

>You don't wait months. You wait weeks at best. The chart is misleading.

how the fuck is it misleading?

Have you ever actually used our healthcare? I've personally waited like 7 months for a surgery and occasionally months to see specialists.

They can get it...Well maybe if they are self employed it's more expensive but that's their choice.

Very shit that 90% of your population are fucking ignorant morons and when confronted with that fact they double down on it.

Do feel sorry for you.

How would you make universal healthcare work in the US?

China has over a fucking billion people and their healthcare is more universal than ours you fucking idiot redneck

As I understand it, but it should be noted I'm not an expert in politics nor medicine:

1. Eroding freedoms as a result of trying to lower public healthcare costs.

Obvious example: banning cigarettes or sugar because they make people use healthcare resources too much.

2. Higher taxes in general

3. Losing pace in healthcare innovation.

When compared to other countries, Americans already pay a disproportionately huge amount of money for healthcare. In return, Americans theoretically have access to the best care on Earth (as long as you have enough money, that's why this is only theory for most Americans). However even so, for how much Americans pay, healthcare should be twice a good as it is if you look at the rate other countries pay.

This outsized cost is not only supporting innovation in the United States though, but also in the entire world. American inventions and practices spread all over the globe, often at a much cheaper price for other countries because equipment and pharma companies already have recovered the cost of their research just from US sales alone. In this way, the world's healthcare is being subsidized by the private medical industry of the United States.

Public healthcare would either have to pick up this slack, or it's mere existence would slow down progress in medicine for all humanity (and certainly for the US).

i can answer that for him

tax and spend.

I was just telling you why your posts specifically were irrelevant. No need to get upset, guy.

Not sure why Euros want Americans to have better healthcare. Us having shit healthcare means Americans die sooner, exactly what you want.

Here's an idea: stop bloating the military with billions of dollars of equipment that they say they don't even need and start spending that on a universal healthcare system

That would be a good start

We fund universal healthcare using the same ways we were able to fund 6 trillion dollars worth of pointless war in the middle east for the past 15 years

Yes but they're still homogeneous, we are not

>Have you ever actually used our healthcare?
I have used a system relatively similar to yours and the worst I had to wait was a few weeks for a psychologue and maybe one appointment scheduled like 4 or 6 months for eyes examination. And the ophthalmologist was a liberal practician.

I don't agree with them but I hate your little bitch attitude.

Where would you get the taxes?

Increasing taxation on the top 10% riches wouldn't grant enough for it and taxing businesses higher would force more to leave.
How do you think the US is on the top of the world?
Because of their hamburgers?

Just about every non-allied country wants to see the collapse of the US, they're in a position where they can't sacrifice their military without having the threat of an invasion.

I'm not saying the US shouldn't stop pointless wars, but these pointless wars are all a part of geopolitics which put the US at the top.

>I was just telling you why your posts specifically were irrelevant. No need to get upset, guy.


im not the guy you were responding to, this is in general now so you can spread the good word and come away happier for the greater understanding of Americans and our culture.

Aren't other cultures fascinating?

What the fuck are you talking about, china has more distinct ethnic groups than we do

When will you yokel motherfuckers stop this NAH THEYRE MORE HOMOGENOUS QED IT WONT WORK shit for literally everything you don't like

why is mental healthcare in america so shitty?
everyone is in psychosis

Yeah well it wasn't as shitty as ours i bet. Pic related. We're literally the worst of any country that's implemented universal healthcare.

Russia has a stronger and superior military that could easily defeat america in a war and still has universal healthcare

>Increasing taxation on the top 10% riches wouldn't grant enough for it and taxing businesses higher would force more to leav

exactly, but good luck getting the enlightened liberals to understand that. they just think we're backwards for not having universal healthcare. Then they just keep taxing or going into debt.

I couldn't possibly comment, but my observation is unrelated to it.

Healthcare isn't just a straight issue. From what I understand, it is more of a major issue of Federal vs State. They'd need to be a serious cultural change up for a single healthcare system to work.

Hell, the CDC I believe doesn't even have direct control over the hospitals during a crisis. They are only able to advice at the local level.