How do we save the horror genre?

How do we save the horror genre?

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horror kino

It's fine.

Have you considered it isn't the genre that's changing? It may just be you.

>>Have you considered it isn't the genre that's changing? It may just be you.

i bet you think you're really clever

It's doing all right all things considered.

It's true though. You've heard of Juvenoia? The idea of "it was better in my day..."?

A few not shitty movies might help.

Prometheus, Sinister and Beyond the Black Rainbow were all good. Has anything else decent come out in the past ~5 years?

Well well well

>alien from They Live on the tv screen
Why?
They Live isn't a even horror movie.

i'm aware of what you meant but i don't think you're entirely correct

to me the answer is that there isn't enough cruelty in the horror genre. cruelty towards victims in the films in the form of cruelty towards it's audience in what it's forced to witness and feel.

people confuse shock with cruelty, depravity, or psychopathy, but violence or abuse for shock value isn't nearly as powerful as the kind of abuse a real psychopath would inflict upon it's victims.

it has to be convincing though, and i have a hard time thinking of films with convincing forms or cruelty or abuse. you know, the kind that really makes you feel sick to your stomach? that kind. that's what horror needs more of. it needs to horrify, disgust, and most of all, it needs to emotionally abuse you, to leave you scarred.

if you don't leave the theater or finish the film without the film leaving you quite literally sick or out of breath, it wasn't abusive enough.

i'd like to see gaspar noe's take on horror. irreversible was an exercise in human abuse and cruelty, but it wasn't without it's consequences. real horror has no consequences.

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I guess it's because every worthwhile horror icon is already on there.

It's a little of both my friend.

Also, Irreversible wasn't just about human abuse and cruelty (not much difference) but also about revenge.

Your opinions are becoming irrelevant.

Franchising kills horror. Out of all popular genres it's the one most fit for experimental filmmaking and introducing strange new ideas. There are only so many ways you can make a movie about demonic possessions and serial killers before it gets stale, and that already happened like 30 years ago.

ok

Don't be a nerd about it.

It looks cool.

>real horror has no consequences

wow. so ebin.

>death isn't a consequence
>horror is about the evil that never dies
>excuse me, I'm catholic

yawn.

Being disgusted isn't the same as being scared, and that's the problem. People watch horror to be frightened, not disgusted. Something like A Serbian Film isn't scary. They just aim for shock value and that's not what horror is about.

>Horror should abuse you.
Horror is a rollercoaster. A safe thrill. The genre has never been what you describe as a whole. That a few films fall into that category, sure, but I really think you need to manage your expectations better if you want all Horror to be an assault that lasts beyond the credits.

You're talking about a thriller.

Horror is supposed to take you places you don't want to go. It's not supposed to necessarily be "fun." Normal people love to be frightened.

death is a consequence for those still living but for people who are suffering, death is the end. i've seen plenty of people die in horror films, but it's rarely their death that is horrifying, and the way that they die is usually nothing but a quick shock that you move on from to the next victim(s).

>The genre has never been what you describe as a whole.

no it hasn't been but it could be so much better

Another description of "thriller."

>wat is torture porn

torture porn is torture porn. it's a lengthy shock and almost always really absurd and over the top.

>Le Salo Meme
>All Horror must be edgy shit or it's a thriller
And I'm out.
The genre is fine, you just have weird expectations.

Where's the Predator?

>What if we changed the quiet neighborhood to a scorching jungle?
>What of we replaced the helpless teens with a competent fully armed team lead by Arnold Schwarzenegger?
>What if the killer was just straight up being a fucker and completely unfair?

>Franchising kills horror.
>and that already happened like 30 years ago
It happened in the 1930s.

Horror is doing well, stop complaining.

I've seen some good ones lately. It Follows, the Babadook, The Haunter, and Hush. Comedy's the genre in trouble. I think that Horror and Thrillers are doing fine.

Yeah and being disgusted doesn't equal frightened. August Underground didn't scare anyone, it just grossed them out. You could watch a drunk guy vomit on the streets. That's not horror. It's easy to disturb people. It's difficult to scare people, especially now. That's why filmmakers are going for the shock value. That's not horror. Horror is where you want to look away because what you see is creepy. Most were disgusted with Salo and Martyrs, whereas most were scared with It Follows, Halloween, Phantasm, etc.

>the Babadook

films like these are what's wrong with the horror genre. a spooky book, a little kid, and some weird noises aren't horrifying you autistic shit.

>Most were disgusted with Salo and Martyrs

the last act of martyrs was both disgusting and horrifying. witnessing it enough, but the real terror is self-inserting, imagining living through their pain.

no one feels that way about a drunk man vomiting on the street. they aren't similar at all.

No I was just talking about the shock value of something like that. It's just not horror. I'd prefer it if you didn't disagree with me. My point is that Bride of Frankenstein is the greatest horror film of all-time. Everything else ranges from okay to pure shit. The Universal jews must go.

>I'd prefer it if you didn't disagree with me

Ideally, I'd like to live in a world where I state my opinion and people go, "oh yeah, I agree." Halloween wasn't even that great.

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It's good, but maybe every jew should realize a lot of it is boring as shit when Loomis and Michael aren't around. Like, oh wow, was I supposed to care about Annie getting killed? Was I supposed to be emotionally invested? The characters are weak as fuck outside of 3 people and you know exactly who they are. Master of horror my fucking ass. Maybe John should've spent less time watching Black Christmas.

>tfw I've seen all these films

Not trying to brag, but considering I used to be a scared faggot when I was younger, it impresses me.

Who's that?

>Ideally, I'd like to live in a world where I state my opinion and people go, "oh yeah, I agree."

That's the stupidest statement I've ever heard, but I believe it.

Scared is a thriller.

The only "disgusting" part of Salo was the feces. You haven't seen it.

no, really?

I accept your concession.

Those are all pretty shit, m8

The best example of is it a thriller? is it a horror? is Exorcist.

For Catholics it is horror. For non-believers, it is merely drama. Fantasy.

Disparate points of view, but Catholicism always wins.

This is probably the last horror movie I've seen. Everything else has been "HAHA YOU GOT STARTLED" tier shit. It's a dead genre.

Dee Wallace interviewed, giving insight as to the value of the horror genre.

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lol this remake man, the soudntrack, the acting, the cinematography, there is nothing in this trailer that remind of the original movie in any way
hollywood is desperate or something?

He's from Bubba Ho Tep. I haven't seen it, but I hear it's good. It has Bruce Campbell, so you should check it out regardless. I know I have to do that soon. I've been putting that and Pumpkinhead off for way too long.

>the last act of martyrs was both disgusting and horrifying
If you're on soccer mom levels of getting easily triggered by shitty-looking gore. It felt like dark comedy at best just like Guinea Pig movies.

>the real terror is self-inserting, imagining living through their pain.
So, the real terror is to be an autist who thinks he's a character in a movie. Got it.

Yeah I was raised Catholic and despite not really being devout I'm still more or less a Catholic (more of a Catholic than an atheist) and The Exorcist scares the poop out of me.

Sinister was great except for the Boogeyman's design. I have the same opinion of Pumpkinhead.

You have shit taste.

Not Catholic, but a Christian.
Exorcist is boring even as a drama or fantasy.
As horror/thriller it's genuinely laughable.

Both are good.

Any of you anons seen Braindead/Dead Alive? I've heard that it's good but want a second opinion.

You can't save it like you can't save a turd. The genre is inherently garbage.

Krampus was a good recent movie if you haven't seen it yet

who is that guy left of the gremlin?

Whats Snowtown like?

No thanks.

totally disagree. pumpkinhead's design is one of few decent things about that movie (the other being the witch). yeah it's an alien rip-off but it's a pretty well made one. i mean the series' whole deal was that people rented them because they saw the box at blockbuster and thought "that's a pretty scary looking creature"

what doesn't work is that the prop has such limited movement that it never comes across as a genuine threat. basically every kill is this

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How wrong can a person be?