Ask a maritime law (admiralty law) expert anything

Ask a maritime law (admiralty law) expert anything.

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Ever been in a shoot out?

Do you have carpet or tile in your bathroom?

What are you doing here on Sup Forums, Sir?

Is all the sea owned by someone?

so, did the front fall off?

I work in an office. I've counselled clients who have been in firefights, mainly with pirates - or fire vs. water fights, when they only have high pressure hoses to defend themselves.

Tile. Think hygiene.

Sup Forums is the place to be.

You monster. Who the fuck carpets their bathroom?

what's your thoughts on interracial porn?

Most of the world's oceans are in international waters, even if probably most seagoing vessels never get to areas that aren't at least in some country's exclusive economic zone. The majority of the planet belongs to nobody.

Shit happens; and collisions between large freight vessels involve forces that make steel about as strong as a spider's web. Then you have a world of disputes over whose fault it was and who has to clean up the environmental damage.

where in the ocean is your office located?

How much does it pay that career?

What kind of criminal and civil consequences would have faced the Skipper for his negligence during that three-hour tour?

I'm in favor of interracial porn, but not porn that makes race an issue. I've been around the world, and people are people, for better or for worse.

My office is in Miami, a major shipping hub - even though a typical case might involve a vessel registered in Liberia, owned by a Greek-managed company incorporated in Panama, and crewed mainly by Filipinos.

Thats some black market shit.

And where in the ocean is miami located?

I'm in my mid-forties, and make something under $200k in a normal year. Starting salary would be maybe $65k.

Could depend strongly on the location where it happened, but very probably nothing at all. Might have trouble finding a new job, though...

NOAA Charts always say "Not for Navigation." So are there charts that *are* for navigation, or is this just a liability thing?

Does that typically happen

That kind of complex ownership status is the norm in shipping - nothing under the table implied.

Between the bayou and the Bermuda triangle. You go where the work is.

NOAA charts are not primarily made for navigation. In the end, the captain is liable for navigation errors regardless of whether they could be prevented.

Major shipping collisions are always massively destructive, even at one knot. The idea of structural integrity is to prevent foundering in heavy seas, not contact with things that are made of anything tougher than water. A vessel hits anything, there is going to damage, probably major damage.

Say you're on your yacht in the Mediterranean Sea and you see a ship full of migrants. A big wave hits it and it begins to capsize. There are migrants in the water.
>Leaving them is illegal
>If you rescue them and sail in the direction they were heading, you're a people smuggler
>If you rescue them and sail in the direction they were coming from, you have dozens of pissed migrants on your hands.

Wtf are you supposed to do? does the law account for situations like this?

This was a three-hour tour in the waters surrounding Oahu. Shouldn't the captain of a pleasure craft conducting inland ocean cruises have a decent understanding of the waters around him? Couldn't a civil atty demostrate rather easily that the Skipper was to blame? There doesn't appear to be a third-party litigant (Somali Pirates) responsible here; I think he goes bankrupt based upon the findings.

Easy case. You ALWAYS take all possible steps to aid souls in peril, and ALWAYS take them to the most logical safe harbour, taking into account weather, shipping lanes, and commercial concerns. When they get off your boat on some Greek island, they're somebody else's problem. The whole issue is a mess of international, national, and EU law, but not a major maritime question. I've never heard of a legitimate shipping company having and problem in this area.

That would be your unluckiest day to sail.

what's the wieght limit on a yellow belly mud turtle.

For a number of reasons, including the age-old deep pockets principle, the skipper is unlikely to be where the buck stops. The owner of the liable vessel, if anyone, is going to be bearing the brunt of the onslaught.

what's the coolest legal thing you can do in international waters that's illegal on land?

What does insurance on a say a 300ft container ship run?

>I see them for as low as 300k

Sadly, not so unusual these days.

I doubt it would be rated beyond 1 TEU.

Criminal law is a complex issue, but in general when you're far out in the open ocean, you're worried more about not getting killed and/or not losing a vessel worth several hundred million plus its cargo. In terms of what people are actually allowed to do, things are more restrictive offshore than on the land. Oh, and no drugs or weapons...

You're looking at noncompetitive, outdated, undersized vessels. Nobody at Lloyd's is going to want to go near you.

How are the Lloyd's agents you get to see?

The only ones I've ever met are stereotypical English.

I ask because a buddy used to ship out the tailings from silver and gold mines to the states in 40ft containers and he banked off it. Did like 100 containers a month.

So I was figuring
>ship 300k
>monthly operating expenses 200k
>@5k per container I cover my bases and the ship is paid off after one month

Insurance was the big thing....

Or can a ship like that navigate sans insurance?

>or weapons
Why no weapons?

Is that a international thing?

Not in US waters. In some areas you only find the problems when you're suddenly in MAJOR trouble. Likely scenario: you sink, lose your vessel, and then get MASSIVE fines piled on top of that for dumping what you had on board.

Piracy. If you're floating around with no good reason and armed, you're looking at criminal punishments from the bad old days.

how many huge ass commercial ships go missing per year, and what are the likely causes?

So besides Lloyds where should I look for someone that would insurance a one ship operation?

Cuz this friend still ships out 100 containers a month.

There's always an investigation, and rogue waves. Still poorly understood.

not really a question about maritime law but how do I get a job on a freighter w/o all the required credentials

This is the YouTube of the front fell off, you'll get the reference once you watch

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Friend is playing with fire. Going to get burned.

what would i have to do to make my own island nation?

You don't. Move to the Philippines, learn Tagalog.

You can't. Best you can do is find a new guano island (tip: there are none) and claim it for the USA.

No..

Ive been to the refinery he ships the stuff to. Every contiainer nets him about 8oz of gold. Thats 10grandish. After he pays his shipping (50% of his take) and trucking etc he still nets around 1200 per container. 100 containers a month thats good money. So I know he would finance the ship,

what's your gut tell you? rogue waves? sabotage by competitor companies? pirates? godzillas? north korea? I assume pirates and sabotage are out of the question if these ships are hundreds of miles away from other ships and from land

TBH I know nothing about maritime law, I just do these threads about once per year. Best of luck to you and your buddy.

What's the difference between flotsam and jetsam?

It's always rogue waves, even though certain pirate groups do operate that far from land.

As an MCA qualified engineering officer with an unlimited class 2, i've considered surveying, how do I get into this line of work?

Flotsam floats, jetsam jets.

It's a matter of whether it fell off the ship, or was deliberately pushed off.

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With the qualification you have, why would you want to?

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Im thinking long term, there will come a point after I get my chiefs and I dont want to spend 5 months at sea for every 2 ashore, but i'll still want a job involving the merchant industry because I love it.

Thoughts on the immediate future prospects of european dry bulk shipping?

Should of become a master mariner instead. Im at sea right now. In a Damen shaolbuster.

Do shippers try to avoid the Bermuda Triangle nowadays when charting routes whenever possible just out of superstition/statistics?

Also, has there been a surge in more violent environmental protesters ever since Whale Wars started airing? Have any of those fuckers been punished yet for piracy or even safety violations?

why the Philippines?

Ive done survey work off the coast of weatern Australia. Looking for natural gas pockets under the seabed.

>Do shippers try to avoid the Bermuda Triangle nowadays when charting routes whenever possible just out of superstition/statistics?
Statistically, the Bermuda Triangle is no more prone to missing ships than any other high traffic part of the world.

Just do what you love - that's the mistake I made.

Probably not significant.

Word, bro.

Bermuda triangle is a ridiculous myth.

It's where they're all from.

Sweet gig, bro. You're living the dream.

Christ that's discuting. gunna puke

Filipina bitches are fiiiiiiiiine.

Not OP, but I am an officer on a merchant ship and i've personally sailed through and around Bermuda and the area referred to as the triangle. We're classically known as a superstitious bunch but these days it's bollocks. Ships dont avoid bermuda, quite the opposite

OP here - listen to this guy, as (unlike me) he's been on a ship. I'm just an idiot making shit up.

"But how did the front fall off?"
"Well a wave hit it."
"Is that unusual?"
"Oh yeah. At sea? A chance in a million!"

ur not wrong

dyou really think the chances of me becauming an OS are near 0

What about the Whale Wars/Sea Shepherd question? More protests in more countries with more violence over more shit since the show aired?

I work for the Alaska Marine Highway System and want to know how the fuck they can get away with not having us under the Jones Act.

When we get hurt, it goes through workmans comp. Im an Able Bodied Seaman

is it true there is no such thing as rape on the high seas?

if you go on a cruise, is there really such thing as a crime onboard the ship?

Are there any islands in international waters, even tiny shitty ones, that aren't claimed by a country? And if so, could I start my own tiny shitty country? How'd that work?

I'm currently high on my boat right now. I know the basics I need to, but I want to know weird and interesting shit. What are weird loopholes, laws, or weird incidents you have knowledge of?

thoughts on the spratly islands dispute

other than ancient aliens in the bermuda triangle, do you ever see any old timey superstition from sailors today?

How do I get your job?