Who else thinks they should retire Chief Wahoo?

who else thinks they should retire Chief Wahoo?
he's a nostalgic childhood icon for me, but I understand that's it's racist and should be gotten rid of.
That said, even if the team retires it from active use on the uniforms and promotions, etc., it won't matter at all unless there is a legal ruling to ban the character, because there will ALWAYS be fan demand for merchandise featuring the character, much like there is a demand for Expos and Supersonics merch and Negro League apparel.
And the club will never voluntarily turn down the opportunity to take advantage of a near monopoly on such a market. This is capitalism, is it not?
What's more, the logo and character will never be banned because not only does no one in Congress give a fuck about Native Americans (come on, the laws protecting reservation residents are weak as fuck, and white people have practical impunity on some of them), but I'm pretty sure the character/logo can't actually qualify as hate speech.
It doesn't incite anyone, doesn't make any explicit message about American Indians (except maybe that they're friendly and grin like they're high as a kite), and is instead a symbol of indifference and ignorance, not hate.

Honestly, retiring the character will do nothing, and these Indians should really worry about securing their people's safety first. But I expect the club will take Wahoo off of the uniform and official club promotional materials/the stadium, etc. within the next 15 years.
>and they'll sell even more retro gear with his face on it

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they should retire the whole team lmao they got btfo by a running joke

Since when do Muslims care about other people's feelings?

good one
>I look forward to the results of your election
your country is a running joke

>got BTFO twice by a running joke
>Went through two different franchise names after each BTFOing

Maybe the Indians should rename

How the fuck is it worse than the Vikings or Fighting Irish logos? I'm being dead serious. Everyone is such a vagina when it comes to race and gender now. Learn to not give a fuck and stop acknowledging a divide between races of people entirely by not giving a fuck if a god damned sports team has a caricature of a person who's the same """""race""""" as you.

the Vikings and the Irish aren't still mistreated people who face injustice, mainly.

I mean, individually, they may face injustice, but not based on their collective identity, they don't.

too many commas? I'm too drunk to give a shit anymore.

>Taking away a piece of beloved Cleveland heritage
What are you doing shit-posting in that Baltimore graveyard, Art?

yet they are in cities where whites are the minority. Blacks kill whites overhwhelmingly more than nay other race does to another. Its not a meme, white genocide is real.

fuck off german cuck
shouldnt you be prepping an african bull for your wife and her daughter?

>1 pm
>drunk

>Vikings
Vikings are a bygone people, fighting Irish is pretty racist except irish peope no longer face systemic oppression whereas the wounds are still fresh for indiginous, at least in Canada.

You're the worst poster on Sup Forums, faggot

>Merge a conglomeration of free-states under one banner
>"play" France and Britain for a while and lose the series
>Hire a new manager with a bright new philosophy
>Turns out he makes some really anti-semetic comments on the radio
>The world turns on them, with only a few other teams supporting them
>Run out of money and lose the biggest "game" ever played
>Re-brand, and split roster into two by urging of the new committee in charge of the league
>Half of the new team goes to shit
>Finally re-merge the teams under the second name
>Enjoy a fair amount of success in the modern era
>Germany
Good job, guys, but I still wouldn't celebrate still being our trade, military and political bitch just yet.

Native Americans are what you are trying to depict.

Indians are those cheap fuckers living in Dublin who say no to a new Zoo but send all their yappy smelly kids to study centers starting at age 5.

If they are going to remain the Poodians they should at least have a designated shitting street in that area between Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena

i think they should line up all the chief wahoo merchandise in front of a creek bed and pump round after round into it with a hotchkiss machine gun

This is why indiginous people in Canada are so bothered by racist depictions of them

m.youtube.com/watch?v=v_tcCpKtoU0

>Indians are those cheap fuckers living in Dublin
I didn't see any Indians in Dublin desu

you dumb nigger you can't be a white nationalist and also someone telling people to ignore all racial division. pick one and stick with it.

If they do retire it, they should at least get a better logo than the most boring C imaginable

>muh stronk working white women having like 1 or 2 kids
>black and immigrant families having 4 or 5 kids

WHITE GENOCIDE!

I agree.

Wahoo is a incredibly racist caricature which does nothing to represent this proud people in it's entirety.

I'd prefer Cleveland take up the mascot of a choker.

Jokes aside, which Injun is raising the most fuss over this symbol? There's a porn company in japan called Apache and they use some proud Indian as their mascot. Among their finer offerings, they do sexual molestation, rape, incest, fetish bordering on public humiliation as well as the usual vanilla stuff.

Please give me a e-mail. I want to drop them off about it to see what happens.

idk how poorly you treated your indigenous people, but in Canada there was a systemic cultural genocide until the last residential school was closed in the 1990s.
Recently there was a big truth and reconciliation commission about it and the wounds are pretty fresh for many indigenous groups in Canada

stats or it didn't happen

I'm depressed and jobless. what do you want from me?
especially when I can buy 4 liters of beer for 2 euro

he means the suburb of Cbus I think.
>i still don't know what he's on about

you know that isn't merely propaganda, right?

I know, that's why I posted it. Those heritage minutes are usually some silly positive Canadian thing, like there's one on the invention of basketball, one on the first trans Atlantic radio transmission, things like that
Then this one came out recently, except it's about a darker side of Canadian history

/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
"
The policy was to remove children from the influence of their families and culture, and assimilate them into the dominant Canadian culture. Over the course of the system's existence, about 30% of native children, or roughly 150,000, were placed in residential schools nationally; at least 6,000 of these students died while in attendance.[1][2]"

I wasn't specifically aware that it existed in Canada, but the same thing happened in the US, on a wider scale
>just in case no one pieced it together, OP (me) is an American expat

It's pretty sad 2bh. I'm applying to law school and applications were due on Tuesday, as part of the application process I had to write a short paper on an ethical issue if my choice so I picked residential schools
We aren't taught all the details in school, our colonial history is pretty sugar coated in high school. Through independent research I learned a lot more about the residential schools. I cri evry tim

The entirety of Cleveland is a designated shitting street

>who else thinks they should retire Chief Wahoo?

Every non-racist person.

No.
1.youre not a native american.

2.youre not offended although you like to tell others you are.

3.youre a fag and should shut the fuck up.

I live in MA and the Irish People here wouldn't LET you take away that fighting Leprechaun.
Chief Wahoo is corny though and The Redskins is like having a team called The Niggers.

Germany plz, leave your self loathing attitude in an holocaust museum entrance, Americans have no use for it

Chief Wahoo needs to go. Blatant racism aside, he's by far the ugliest baseball mascot/logo.

Why should it matter if the people the logo portrays are currently or were mistreated in the past? How is does the fucking logo have any bearing on their life?

>it's only offensive if I, personally, am offended
So I guess it's okay to say I'd like to rape your mom.

The last time I posted this pic as an OP image, it was deleted.

Just sayin'.

In Australia it was a combination of genocide, reservation and forced assimilation.

Today there's a level of heavy nanny state intervention in their communities up north. Because we think there's issues (i.e. abuse children), the gov can ban drugs, alcohol and porn there. Now banning porn may seem trivial until you ask yourself the question why isn't any other minority given this nanny state treatment? Why aren't the Sudanese for example getting banned from porn before they bugger kids.

As for it's legacy, well in Australia itself our Abos don't have enough noble stereotypes to get their own mascot.

Indian here.

People are trying to gentrify our representation out of sports. The white people just want to get rid of us and forget we exist.

*SQUISH*

Chief Wahoo isn't grinning, he's baring his teeth and getting ready to bite the white man's jugular.

It has to do with a greater feeling of connected-ness to cultural heritage. Ancestors are a part of their culture, so why wouldn't they be worried about what happened to the people in their family's past?

Post yfw the Indians and the Redskins swap logos

Fuck off Cleveland is a gorgeous city.

Cleveland resident here, I see no reason to change Chief Wahoo, because as the thread has been saying, he's iconic as shit. SJWs around here have been calling it rasict or what not, but when only black and white people are telling me to be offended, it's just annoying. From 1887-1899 the major league baseball team was called the spiders. We might (not me) revisit that name/mascot

You're drunk LittleFeather go to sleep

He's more fugly than iconic, and even racists acknowledge he's racist. The difference is the racists don't want to change it.

My point is im sick of listening to whites and blacks being offended over the mascot. If i have to hear someones offended, i want them to be a god damn indian. I dont want to hear fags like you or op.

Fuck you, you can't drink all day if you dont start in the monring.

Why are Germans allowed to exist?

It's really sad watching some desperate kraut virtue signal on a Panamanian chakra board.

>What's more, the logo and character will never be banned because not only does no one in Congress give a fuck about Native Americans (come on, the laws protecting reservation residents are weak as fuck, and white people have practical impunity on some of them)

Isn't it true that native americans don't pay any taxes?

well you see, the big problem with this is that anti-sjw retards who are often just as bad if not worse than sjws themselves, don't understand that wahoo is essentially blackface but for natives. its a 1940s cartoon tier racist caricature but these idiots spout shit like "WTF ITS NOT RACIST AT ALL ITS NOBLE AND PROUD".

seriously, imagine any part of pic related as a mascot/logo for a modern sports team

>how is a racist caricature any different than a realistic dignified logo or a prideful identifier

gee i don't know, you tell me robert e lee

I wish man, I wish.

Yeah they should probably retire it, people here love it but I get how it's seen as racist on a national scale. I'd like to see them change the name as well if they get rid of the logo but there's gonna be a huge revolt if they try either

>implying getting rid of racism is getting rid of a culture
I like the way gay people ceased to exist after they were allowed to marry

Literally what the fuck are you on about. College football has kicked out the racist mascots and kept the respectable ones.

The Amish don't really pay any taxes but most natives do

>What's more, the logo and character will never be banned because not only does no one in Congress give a fuck about Native Americans (come on, the laws protecting reservation residents are weak as fuck, and white people have practical impunity on some of them), but I'm pretty sure the character/logo can't actually qualify as hate speech.

I think the more important reason it wont be banned is because the US does not acknowledge the concept of hate speech in the first place. Free speech as defined by the first amendment is incompatible with the concept of hate speech.

You guys really should have scalped more pilgrims.

I have strong Native ancestry and I do find it offensive because he has beady eyes, a giant hooked nose, a feather on top of his head, and red skin. He's a walking stereotype and he just looks nasty when speaking more (sub)objectively. I wouldn't mind if they gave a more respectful and frankly better drawn mascot, but that shit offends me as a Native and a sports fan.

This is the stupidest rationalization I've ever heard on Sup Forums, which is pretty amazing.

Then I realized you live the city of Cleveland and you are probably actually retarded. I'm sorry.

Probably, but shit happens. Fuck those guys who hold on to past though, it's time to move on so we can prosper again.

FSU is still shitty

t. Altsoba Bena

Because it creates a social divide between "them and us". It's like neo orientalism which this particular group is unhappy about

I noticed you said "Native ancestry" and not "Indian ancestry."

Discuss.

The Indians name would be fine with a different logo imo, but the redskins name is literally a racial slur

He isn't from South Asia

This.

"Don't change it because it's always been this way" is the dumbest argument someone can lob out there, and you hear it all the time. Like, really?

Making us look dumb, my dude

>the Irish
>not mistreated
you're memeing right

Not anymore dude. You guys already had the presidency twice. Once a cultural/ethnic group has had the presidency twice they no longer count as marginalised

Indian is the name some confused Italians and Portugues gave us when they landed in cigarland because they thought they made it to the indies. I say Native because it's more correct than Indian; though the name the leaves gave us (first nation) probably makes the most sense.

What should they change it to anyway?

>This motherfucker thinking his tribe's choice of nouns are more correct than my tribe's nouns
Ahniyukashana

Well in Canada there are several "first nations".
Each Indian reserve is considered a first nation here, near my town there is an Iroquois first nation, Aka Iroquois Indian reserve

Talking in past tense politicians and activists will use the name "indian" in like Indian reserve, Indian residential schools, et. al. To kind of emphasize that it is a past term if that makes sense

Cleveland Rustbelt and the logo is an unemployed auto worker

Spiders, Foresters, Firelands

>Auto worker
Try rubber and steel

Cleveland Rubbers

>big nose

Some indians had big noses

>feather

Indians actually wore feathers in the ohio area

>red skin

Indians actually had skin that was quite red.

Yes I know that.

I know how geography works, but my sarcasm was misinterpreted.

What I was trying to >imply was, change the team name as well as the mascot, because both are stupid and leftover relics of Imperialism.

>Indians actually had skin that was quite red.
It was a racist term applied to natives like Negroes to blacks

Imagine a football team, the washington negroes

Imagine a snack food called "crackers"

I have a big nose too; but Natives are brown, wahoo's is over sized, and his feather is depicted and a stereotypical way that follows the gigantic headresses we all supposedly wear. Quit trying to rationalize your garbage cartoon.

Kek

That's too far.

Its not racist to call something as it is. If someone has skin the color red, it is neither racist nor derogatory to say they have red skin.

Crackers is actually a reference to our awesome whips. Minorities are still calling white people masa.

It's a shame this post does not have many replies, it was pretty clever user

Do you not mind when people call you short?

Sure think honky

>I am white, and being called white-skin doesn't affect me, therefore no one should be offended.

Your experiences are not universal.

I don't understand why people consider Redskins offensive and racist, but this 40s caricature is okay.

Oh, did I forget to mention that they named him, out of all things: Wahoo? Yeah, way to honor an existing group of people. Being a Cubs fan I know what a good Native mascot is, and that's the Blackhawks.

That's the much better insult.

Black people call me a whiteboy all the time. I dont get offended at all.

>I'm brown colorblind