who else thinks they should retire Chief Wahoo? he's a nostalgic childhood icon for me, but I understand that's it's racist and should be gotten rid of. That said, even if the team retires it from active use on the uniforms and promotions, etc., it won't matter at all unless there is a legal ruling to ban the character, because there will ALWAYS be fan demand for merchandise featuring the character, much like there is a demand for Expos and Supersonics merch and Negro League apparel. And the club will never voluntarily turn down the opportunity to take advantage of a near monopoly on such a market. This is capitalism, is it not? What's more, the logo and character will never be banned because not only does no one in Congress give a fuck about Native Americans (come on, the laws protecting reservation residents are weak as fuck, and white people have practical impunity on some of them), but I'm pretty sure the character/logo can't actually qualify as hate speech. It doesn't incite anyone, doesn't make any explicit message about American Indians (except maybe that they're friendly and grin like they're high as a kite), and is instead a symbol of indifference and ignorance, not hate.
Honestly, retiring the character will do nothing, and these Indians should really worry about securing their people's safety first. But I expect the club will take Wahoo off of the uniform and official club promotional materials/the stadium, etc. within the next 15 years. >and they'll sell even more retro gear with his face on it
they should retire the whole team lmao they got btfo by a running joke
Christopher Sanchez
Since when do Muslims care about other people's feelings?
Mason Brown
good one >I look forward to the results of your election your country is a running joke
Michael Bennett
>got BTFO twice by a running joke >Went through two different franchise names after each BTFOing
Maybe the Indians should rename
Carter Scott
How the fuck is it worse than the Vikings or Fighting Irish logos? I'm being dead serious. Everyone is such a vagina when it comes to race and gender now. Learn to not give a fuck and stop acknowledging a divide between races of people entirely by not giving a fuck if a god damned sports team has a caricature of a person who's the same """""race""""" as you.
Gabriel Russell
the Vikings and the Irish aren't still mistreated people who face injustice, mainly.
Gabriel Cox
I mean, individually, they may face injustice, but not based on their collective identity, they don't.
Camden Wilson
too many commas? I'm too drunk to give a shit anymore.
Logan Clark
>Taking away a piece of beloved Cleveland heritage What are you doing shit-posting in that Baltimore graveyard, Art?
John Stewart
yet they are in cities where whites are the minority. Blacks kill whites overhwhelmingly more than nay other race does to another. Its not a meme, white genocide is real.
Connor Wilson
fuck off german cuck shouldnt you be prepping an african bull for your wife and her daughter?
Jackson Cooper
>1 pm >drunk
Joseph Torres
>Vikings Vikings are a bygone people, fighting Irish is pretty racist except irish peope no longer face systemic oppression whereas the wounds are still fresh for indiginous, at least in Canada.
Kevin Allen
You're the worst poster on Sup Forums, faggot
Christopher Ward
>Merge a conglomeration of free-states under one banner >"play" France and Britain for a while and lose the series >Hire a new manager with a bright new philosophy >Turns out he makes some really anti-semetic comments on the radio >The world turns on them, with only a few other teams supporting them >Run out of money and lose the biggest "game" ever played >Re-brand, and split roster into two by urging of the new committee in charge of the league >Half of the new team goes to shit >Finally re-merge the teams under the second name >Enjoy a fair amount of success in the modern era >Germany Good job, guys, but I still wouldn't celebrate still being our trade, military and political bitch just yet.
Camden Kelly
Native Americans are what you are trying to depict.
Indians are those cheap fuckers living in Dublin who say no to a new Zoo but send all their yappy smelly kids to study centers starting at age 5.
If they are going to remain the Poodians they should at least have a designated shitting street in that area between Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena
Juan Bailey
i think they should line up all the chief wahoo merchandise in front of a creek bed and pump round after round into it with a hotchkiss machine gun
Ryder Cruz
This is why indiginous people in Canada are so bothered by racist depictions of them
>Indians are those cheap fuckers living in Dublin I didn't see any Indians in Dublin desu
Aiden Morris
you dumb nigger you can't be a white nationalist and also someone telling people to ignore all racial division. pick one and stick with it.
Brandon Bennett
If they do retire it, they should at least get a better logo than the most boring C imaginable
Blake Johnson
>muh stronk working white women having like 1 or 2 kids >black and immigrant families having 4 or 5 kids
WHITE GENOCIDE!
Parker Gonzalez
I agree.
Wahoo is a incredibly racist caricature which does nothing to represent this proud people in it's entirety.
I'd prefer Cleveland take up the mascot of a choker.
Jokes aside, which Injun is raising the most fuss over this symbol? There's a porn company in japan called Apache and they use some proud Indian as their mascot. Among their finer offerings, they do sexual molestation, rape, incest, fetish bordering on public humiliation as well as the usual vanilla stuff.
Please give me a e-mail. I want to drop them off about it to see what happens.
Jordan Flores
idk how poorly you treated your indigenous people, but in Canada there was a systemic cultural genocide until the last residential school was closed in the 1990s. Recently there was a big truth and reconciliation commission about it and the wounds are pretty fresh for many indigenous groups in Canada
Thomas Ortiz
stats or it didn't happen
Kevin James
I'm depressed and jobless. what do you want from me? especially when I can buy 4 liters of beer for 2 euro
Logan Clark
he means the suburb of Cbus I think. >i still don't know what he's on about
Josiah Brooks
you know that isn't merely propaganda, right?
Oliver Davis
I know, that's why I posted it. Those heritage minutes are usually some silly positive Canadian thing, like there's one on the invention of basketball, one on the first trans Atlantic radio transmission, things like that Then this one came out recently, except it's about a darker side of Canadian history
Connor Myers
/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system " The policy was to remove children from the influence of their families and culture, and assimilate them into the dominant Canadian culture. Over the course of the system's existence, about 30% of native children, or roughly 150,000, were placed in residential schools nationally; at least 6,000 of these students died while in attendance.[1][2]"
Tyler Hill
I wasn't specifically aware that it existed in Canada, but the same thing happened in the US, on a wider scale >just in case no one pieced it together, OP (me) is an American expat
Lincoln Diaz
It's pretty sad 2bh. I'm applying to law school and applications were due on Tuesday, as part of the application process I had to write a short paper on an ethical issue if my choice so I picked residential schools We aren't taught all the details in school, our colonial history is pretty sugar coated in high school. Through independent research I learned a lot more about the residential schools. I cri evry tim
Liam Perry
The entirety of Cleveland is a designated shitting street
Chase Rodriguez
>who else thinks they should retire Chief Wahoo?
Every non-racist person.
Isaac Green
No. 1.youre not a native american.
2.youre not offended although you like to tell others you are.
3.youre a fag and should shut the fuck up.
Jackson Baker
I live in MA and the Irish People here wouldn't LET you take away that fighting Leprechaun. Chief Wahoo is corny though and The Redskins is like having a team called The Niggers.
Josiah Wood
Germany plz, leave your self loathing attitude in an holocaust museum entrance, Americans have no use for it
Luke Stewart
Chief Wahoo needs to go. Blatant racism aside, he's by far the ugliest baseball mascot/logo.
Jose Perez
Why should it matter if the people the logo portrays are currently or were mistreated in the past? How is does the fucking logo have any bearing on their life?
Jacob Russell
>it's only offensive if I, personally, am offended So I guess it's okay to say I'd like to rape your mom.
Camden Williams
The last time I posted this pic as an OP image, it was deleted.
Just sayin'.
Evan Foster
In Australia it was a combination of genocide, reservation and forced assimilation.
Today there's a level of heavy nanny state intervention in their communities up north. Because we think there's issues (i.e. abuse children), the gov can ban drugs, alcohol and porn there. Now banning porn may seem trivial until you ask yourself the question why isn't any other minority given this nanny state treatment? Why aren't the Sudanese for example getting banned from porn before they bugger kids.
As for it's legacy, well in Australia itself our Abos don't have enough noble stereotypes to get their own mascot.
Cameron Lewis
Indian here.
People are trying to gentrify our representation out of sports. The white people just want to get rid of us and forget we exist.
Camden Butler
*SQUISH*
Aaron Roberts
Chief Wahoo isn't grinning, he's baring his teeth and getting ready to bite the white man's jugular.
James Ortiz
It has to do with a greater feeling of connected-ness to cultural heritage. Ancestors are a part of their culture, so why wouldn't they be worried about what happened to the people in their family's past?
Christian Brooks
Post yfw the Indians and the Redskins swap logos
Jaxson Nelson
Fuck off Cleveland is a gorgeous city.
Cleveland resident here, I see no reason to change Chief Wahoo, because as the thread has been saying, he's iconic as shit. SJWs around here have been calling it rasict or what not, but when only black and white people are telling me to be offended, it's just annoying. From 1887-1899 the major league baseball team was called the spiders. We might (not me) revisit that name/mascot
Joshua James
You're drunk LittleFeather go to sleep
Gavin Watson
He's more fugly than iconic, and even racists acknowledge he's racist. The difference is the racists don't want to change it.
Wyatt Turner
My point is im sick of listening to whites and blacks being offended over the mascot. If i have to hear someones offended, i want them to be a god damn indian. I dont want to hear fags like you or op.
Jace Jones
Fuck you, you can't drink all day if you dont start in the monring.
Zachary Long
Why are Germans allowed to exist?
It's really sad watching some desperate kraut virtue signal on a Panamanian chakra board.
Gabriel Kelly
>What's more, the logo and character will never be banned because not only does no one in Congress give a fuck about Native Americans (come on, the laws protecting reservation residents are weak as fuck, and white people have practical impunity on some of them)
Isn't it true that native americans don't pay any taxes?
Gabriel Collins
well you see, the big problem with this is that anti-sjw retards who are often just as bad if not worse than sjws themselves, don't understand that wahoo is essentially blackface but for natives. its a 1940s cartoon tier racist caricature but these idiots spout shit like "WTF ITS NOT RACIST AT ALL ITS NOBLE AND PROUD".
seriously, imagine any part of pic related as a mascot/logo for a modern sports team
>how is a racist caricature any different than a realistic dignified logo or a prideful identifier
gee i don't know, you tell me robert e lee
Dylan Smith
I wish man, I wish.
Anthony Reyes
Yeah they should probably retire it, people here love it but I get how it's seen as racist on a national scale. I'd like to see them change the name as well if they get rid of the logo but there's gonna be a huge revolt if they try either
Brody Morales
>implying getting rid of racism is getting rid of a culture I like the way gay people ceased to exist after they were allowed to marry
Literally what the fuck are you on about. College football has kicked out the racist mascots and kept the respectable ones.
Isaac Anderson
The Amish don't really pay any taxes but most natives do
Isaac Myers
>What's more, the logo and character will never be banned because not only does no one in Congress give a fuck about Native Americans (come on, the laws protecting reservation residents are weak as fuck, and white people have practical impunity on some of them), but I'm pretty sure the character/logo can't actually qualify as hate speech.
I think the more important reason it wont be banned is because the US does not acknowledge the concept of hate speech in the first place. Free speech as defined by the first amendment is incompatible with the concept of hate speech.
Nicholas Fisher
You guys really should have scalped more pilgrims.
Aiden Robinson
I have strong Native ancestry and I do find it offensive because he has beady eyes, a giant hooked nose, a feather on top of his head, and red skin. He's a walking stereotype and he just looks nasty when speaking more (sub)objectively. I wouldn't mind if they gave a more respectful and frankly better drawn mascot, but that shit offends me as a Native and a sports fan.
Lucas Kelly
This is the stupidest rationalization I've ever heard on Sup Forums, which is pretty amazing.
Then I realized you live the city of Cleveland and you are probably actually retarded. I'm sorry.
Jordan Moore
Probably, but shit happens. Fuck those guys who hold on to past though, it's time to move on so we can prosper again.
Leo Thomas
FSU is still shitty
Jayden Myers
t. Altsoba Bena
William King
Because it creates a social divide between "them and us". It's like neo orientalism which this particular group is unhappy about
Mason Young
I noticed you said "Native ancestry" and not "Indian ancestry."
Discuss.
Logan Long
The Indians name would be fine with a different logo imo, but the redskins name is literally a racial slur
Joseph Peterson
He isn't from South Asia
Caleb Allen
This.
"Don't change it because it's always been this way" is the dumbest argument someone can lob out there, and you hear it all the time. Like, really?
Levi Watson
Making us look dumb, my dude
Mason Cook
>the Irish >not mistreated you're memeing right
Anthony Myers
Not anymore dude. You guys already had the presidency twice. Once a cultural/ethnic group has had the presidency twice they no longer count as marginalised
Jason Turner
Indian is the name some confused Italians and Portugues gave us when they landed in cigarland because they thought they made it to the indies. I say Native because it's more correct than Indian; though the name the leaves gave us (first nation) probably makes the most sense.
Carson Fisher
What should they change it to anyway?
William Johnson
>This motherfucker thinking his tribe's choice of nouns are more correct than my tribe's nouns Ahniyukashana
Connor Campbell
Well in Canada there are several "first nations". Each Indian reserve is considered a first nation here, near my town there is an Iroquois first nation, Aka Iroquois Indian reserve
Talking in past tense politicians and activists will use the name "indian" in like Indian reserve, Indian residential schools, et. al. To kind of emphasize that it is a past term if that makes sense
Cameron Miller
Cleveland Rustbelt and the logo is an unemployed auto worker
Jaxon Richardson
Spiders, Foresters, Firelands
>Auto worker Try rubber and steel
Connor Taylor
Cleveland Rubbers
Daniel Flores
>big nose
Some indians had big noses
>feather
Indians actually wore feathers in the ohio area
>red skin
Indians actually had skin that was quite red.
Joshua Carter
Yes I know that.
I know how geography works, but my sarcasm was misinterpreted.
What I was trying to >imply was, change the team name as well as the mascot, because both are stupid and leftover relics of Imperialism.
Gavin Moore
>Indians actually had skin that was quite red. It was a racist term applied to natives like Negroes to blacks
Imagine a football team, the washington negroes
Jackson Ward
Imagine a snack food called "crackers"
Ethan Garcia
I have a big nose too; but Natives are brown, wahoo's is over sized, and his feather is depicted and a stereotypical way that follows the gigantic headresses we all supposedly wear. Quit trying to rationalize your garbage cartoon.
Carter Parker
Kek
Dominic Scott
That's too far.
Brandon Thomas
Its not racist to call something as it is. If someone has skin the color red, it is neither racist nor derogatory to say they have red skin.
Austin Robinson
Crackers is actually a reference to our awesome whips. Minorities are still calling white people masa.
Jackson Torres
It's a shame this post does not have many replies, it was pretty clever user
Ryder Stewart
Do you not mind when people call you short?
Thomas Walker
Sure think honky
Gavin Garcia
>I am white, and being called white-skin doesn't affect me, therefore no one should be offended.
Your experiences are not universal.
Henry Nguyen
I don't understand why people consider Redskins offensive and racist, but this 40s caricature is okay.
Michael James
Oh, did I forget to mention that they named him, out of all things: Wahoo? Yeah, way to honor an existing group of people. Being a Cubs fan I know what a good Native mascot is, and that's the Blackhawks.
Grayson Nguyen
That's the much better insult.
Jace Gonzalez
Black people call me a whiteboy all the time. I dont get offended at all.