Why are Europeans so smug about their subpar products? First Volkswagen, now Renault.
>having to cheat to compete with Asians and Americans
Literally chink tier
Why are Europeans so smug about their subpar products? First Volkswagen, now Renault
Camden Martinez
Josiah Myers
>in 1998, the Justice Department and the EPA settled a $267 million case with Honda Motor Co. and a separate $7.8 million case with Ford Motor Co. for selling cars with systems designed to defeat emissions control systems.
Xavier Thompson
don't frenchies make the zoom zoom cars?
Elijah Walker
>Ford Motor Co. had to lower its fuel-efficiency estimates for certain models twice in less than a year, citing a computer-modeling error. The Dearborn, Michigan-based company sent out payments ranging from $200 to $1,050 to pay 200,000 customers last year.
Daniel Ortiz
How did the other car manufacturers manage to compete with Renault and VW if they cheated in emission tests?
Oliver Lewis
>Last year, Hyundai Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp. agreed to pay the equivalent of $350 million in fines, forfeited credits and certification testing to settle U.S. claims that they overstated fuel economy on the window stickers car buyers see at dealer showrooms.
Christian Lee
>American cars
>competition
Besides that, I'm sure every single car manufacturer cheats with their car software. It's way too easy to do and hard as fuck to discover.
Aaron Morris
there's this law that in free market capitalism you had to lie about the product or enjoy death (if everybody else is a lier as well)
the guy got noble prise for it, to lazy to link wikipedia
Daniel Martin
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Cooper White
I like volkswagen.
Jacob Hall
BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Ferrari, Bughatti, Spyker. >compete with Yank cars
Samuel Thomas
>Compete with [...] Americans
You know that with the sale of Opel, General Motors has effectively retreated from the European market, right? It's about Volkswagen Group and PSA now, with Renault a distant third.
Joshua Gonzalez
Renault cars are pretty decent imo
David Parker
>Europe charges a 12% tariff on American cars
>America charges a 2% tariff on European cars
Yeah I wonder why it's hard for American auto companies to compete in Europe.
Cooper Carter
Because the eu has ridiculous environmental regulations. The EU is cancer.
Angel Wright
>Air is polluted so hard that you can see thick smog all over cities
>ridiculous environmental regulations
Carter Flores
It's almost as if you can entirely avoid these tariffs by setting up a sister or daughter company within Europe or anything. You know that's effectively what Opel was after GM bought it, right? That's why I said GM was retreating from the European market: Ford will have to pay those tariffs, Opel didn't have to.
Henry Ross
>post 90s french cars
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Jose Cook
sweden is just a forest m8
they're like russians : don't know about ecology untill kill it completely
Asher Hill
Is this sarcasm?
Nathaniel Jones
en.wikipedia.org
Renault is the second most consistent European Car of the Year winner though.
Hunter Anderson
Maybe in France. We have no industry, though.
Jaxson Watson
>meme of the year
That award consists on how much the brand bribed the judges, Armin.
Ryan Walker
>France
>Industry
Oliver James
By what quality will we judge cars then? Reliability?
reliabilityindex.com
French brands are only outperformed by Japanese brands. Or let me guess, these judges were also bribed?
Tell me then, if all the most objective means of measuring a car's quality have false results based on bribery, what means of comparison do we have? Are we just all going to compare anecdotes?
Noah Davis
>en.wikipedia.org
Not really. But they tend to give it to the best quality for price cars. Thus few german ones.
Aiden Morris
americans have found a new way to extort foreign car companies with their bullshit regulations
the world needs to boycott american pollution regulations.
David Lee
They haven't even placed within the top three during the last decade though.
Chase Thompson
True dat. Might be one of the reasons why they're losing their second place position to PSA and its better Peugeots. Still doesn't make Renault cars shit per se.
Oliver Butler
you cant' get this kind of hihg speed by running purely on carrot juice