How do we fix Prometheus?

How do we fix Prometheus?

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By going back in time and killing Lindelof.

Do nothing at all

I truly hope Scott won't pander too much with A: Covenant

I think Prometheus was one of the most interesting science fiction movies in like a fucking decade

Was O'Bannon alive as this went into production?

If so they should've put him on script duty.

why?

in terms of screenplay he and his co-writer weren't writing anything revolutionary

this is a sketch he did while writing the script, and in his mind, the alien and probably the entire movie looked generic af to begin with

Wrong, that's Ron Cobb's design. O'Brien was the one who brought Giger into the project.

Alien is very much O'Brien brainchild, he was just lucky enough to have Scott there who actually had artistic vision, filmmaking experience and the ability to reason with the shitty producers in order to basically make his film for him.

>thing that comes out of the engineer looks like some weird proto-xenomorph, trying to tell us that this is the first xenomorph ever
>on the Walls in the Engineer's compound there was a sculpture of a fully developed Xenomorph

Bravo Lindelof

Changing the white actors to black

Remember the worse part of it all is it isn't even the same LV.

So proto-xeno is stranded on some neighbourhood planet making Prometheus pretty much irrelevant anyway.

I have the book of Alium but it's not available to me now. The way I recall it, it's Dan's drawing, not Cobb's.

You jest and I was gonna say to replace all males with female actresses.

But a better female lead might've been what the doctor ordered to be honest. Noomi Rapace's character was so forgettable.

I'm positive it's Cobb's. Despite the design being kinda lame it's still a pretty good drawing, and afaik O'Bannon couldn't draw for shit.

>trying to tell us that this is the first xenomorph ever

I didn't get that from it at all

it's more like, engineers spore their DNA on various habitable planets and those evolve into humanoids. When humanoids come into contact with the goo, they get all kinds of fucked up. When the 'all kinds of fucked up' infects humanoids by way of incubation, a type of xenomorph emerges from the host

Prometheus was not so much about showing where the aliums come from, rather what would happen if a planet (like Earth) would get hit by the goo; xeno's ravaging the globe would be the definitive outcome

It's Ron Cobb's design

>When the 'all kinds of fucked up' infects humanoids by way of incubation, a type of xenomorph emerges from the host

except it was a giant squid monster that came out of Elizabeth Shaw

But for what purpose?

which entered her through her bf's dick, which was put in her bf's dick by david who slipped it in his drink.

According to William Stout, O'Bannon could actually draw pretty well. Apparently he storyboarded return of the living dead in its entirety

Prometheus was just a rehash of Alien 1 except the screenwriters took an alien prequel script, scratched out xeno elements and just mad libbed in random other stuff like black goo and squid babies.
Its obvious where the elements of the alien reproductive cycle would've been

>spore their DNA and those evolve to become humanoids
Why was there several hundred million years of evolution between the first cells and humans, then?
How did the engineers spore the planet and coincidentally have humans appear (with 100% matching dna) several million years down the road?

Give that alien tits

>Why was there several hundred million years of evolution between the first cells and humans, then?
I assume the process to bake humanoids is slow af

>How did the engineers spore the planet and coincidentally have humans appear (with 100% matching dna) several million years down the road?
what do you mean 'coincidentally'? They put their blueprint on the planet, and evolution did the rest. In the alien/ prometheus universe, humans come from engineers

Kill Lindelof and take the religious bullshit out of it. Also make R. Scott a producer without any input in the production. Look for a good sci-fi writer and Duncan Jones to direct.

which makes no sense because there are animals with which we share much of our dna that came before us - also, everything on earth supposedly came from the engineer so why doesn't everything share 100% of the engineer dna?
besides, that whole thing about seeding planets is speculation at best. that could have been anything.
and it is coincidental because human dna is the way it is due to environmental factors as well.

In my opinion, Alien works best when focusing on the horror aspects and neglecting the sci-fi elements, both in terms of environments, creature design and story.

The alien itself looked almost like some sort of deformed mummified human corpse, a ghoul, not like in Prometheus where everything looked too fleshy, too natural.

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More of this t.b.h.

>also, everything on earth supposedly came from the engineer so why doesn't everything share 100% of the engineer dna?

only the humanoids, user

other lifeforms on the host planet would evolve via their own ways, but the spored humanoids would evolve with them

>trying to make sense of Lindelof's hack religious writing

no proof of that, makes no sense, etc
this is poorly thought out and makes no sense.

would a prometheus beat up a predater?

compelling argument, you've convinced me

an engineer vs a predator would probably be like an alien high society brit vs a space-age zulu warrior

also questions like these are what ruined the franchise so piss off

I know where to start.

Right.

kek
if you can't see a penis, then O'Bannon didn't make it.

That's true, on paper Alien wasn't revolutionary at all. But it ended up being so anyway. It was the first movie that was saved by its aesthetics alone.

Why couldn't visual design save Prometheus in a similar fashion?

wait for the sequels

Because the designs were

A. Derivative of Alien
B. The crew and plot were eleven kinds of retarded

Can we talk about the bonus situation?

>The crew and plot were eleven kinds of retarded
characters yes

plot no

You're a retard; all the life on the planet spawned from the Engi. The planet was completely barren beforehand. IRL humans are related to trees and everything. How can humans be a 100% DNA match when they aren't identical to Engi's. Evolution IRL doesn't work like it does in Pokemon. When they said 100% match I assume they meant based on the same molecules ATCG or someshit. Otherwise the movie is retarded as fuck.

you're the retard for assuming ALL lifeforms come from the engineers

I mean, it's even in the fucking movie when it zooms in on the cellular level; you see the engineer cells mxing with the cells that were on the planet beforehand

I'm pretty sure you saw the black goo breaking apart the Engi cells and recombining/mutating them.

Engineers are so lame, and they look like shit.

Replace all actors, except Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender,
Charlize Theron.

Rewrite few dialogues to make it less cringy.

That's it, movie is now solid 8/10 sci-fi

What's the problem, user?
Is symbolism too much for you?

Why not just remove the fact that (all or some) life has a 100% DNA match with the Engineers?

As far as the plot's concerned it's a useless little factoid.

I also cant be alone in thinking there were way too many characters in this film. You could've made this with no more than six.

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I really, really like the first half of the movie as it seemed really ominous, and you could seriously feel the ancient presence there. Really mysterious and delved a little bit into esoteric mythology.

Then the latter half came and seemed more like your typical sci-fi script, and while pretty well done, not nearly as good as that first half.

That alien in her stomach though was pretty fucking creepy and gross though.

Have it not exist since Alien didn't need a prequel.

Alright so, let's think about this.

Dial it back on the allegory. It's a fun theme but works better as something the viewer has to figure out, don't batter them over the head with it. Scientific exploration fueled by corporate interests are reason enough to invesitage faraway planetoids.

Less characters. This allows more character building for the characters we do have, and allows for less weird death scenes that make no sense, and raises less questions about: why the snake went into the guys mouth, why the guy was transformed by the goo, why the other guy disintegrated from drinking that same goo, why the goo made Rapace pregnant, etcetera. Just have one guy be infected, preferably by David, and let all resulting trouble stem from that.
It also fixes so many of them being terrible people with shitty quips. Have one guy be the shitty quipper.

No Weyland reveal. Did nothing, added nothing. Have Weyland's true intentions revealed in some other way that literally having him be there for no reason.

Speaking of, define Weyland's true intentions. Moreso than "to poke the alien stuff with a stick to see if it makes me immortal".

O'Bannon didn't write the shooting script, Hill & Giler did, and the terse nature of the story, characters being defined by action, etc. is 100% them. They also opened up the universe by adding the Company and the reveal of Ash as an android to the story, which O'Bannon hated. The appeal of O'Bannon's original screenplay was basically just the premise and the chestburster scene.

As for design.

Be less subservient in following movie memes of making all the technology look sleek and holographic. Stay truer to the original, especially since this tech is supposed to look older than the tech used in the Alien film. Sure the Nostromo was an old busted rig that needed round the clock maintenance to keep working and was probably already long operational by the time of Prometheus, but there can't have been such a great disparity of technology between the two vessels unless the Nostromo is literally a century old when Prometheus takes place.

The Engineers looked okay in practice. You can't deny that the Space Jockey had an unmistakably humanoid thing about it, with it's arms being just plain human, but making them slightly more alien would've worked to their advantage. The concept artists had the right idea, see pic related.

The proto-xenomorph at the end was a disgrace. Black space-raptor was the film's biggest mistake. Lose it, it served no purpose.

All Hill and Giler did was screw with it. By the time shooting began the script was such a mess Scott didn't know what to do with it. With shooting taking place in Britain, Giler and Hill being preoccupied in the States and O'Bannon the only man present to fix the situation, he basically undid most of Hill&Giler's changes and reclaimed the script. The final product is closer to O'Bannon's original draft than to what Giler et al had made.

The only thing they added that stayed in the film was Ash being an android.

We sit quietly and wait for the remaining movies of the planned trilogy to come out.

I have headcannon that the Predators are also creation of Engineers, but they evolved too fast and attacked their makers.

Bullshit but I believe it.

>trying to tell us that this is the first xenomorph ever

No, it's just trying to tell us that xenos that spawn in different species through different media have different characteristics. Which we already knew from the xeno dog in Alien 3. There's absolutely no reason to believe that they intend us to think that's the first xenomorph.

>With shooting taking place in Britain, Giler and Hill being preoccupied in the States and O'Bannon the only man present to fix the situation, he basically undid most of Hill&Giler's changes and reclaimed the script.

O'Bannon may have claimed this later but it isn't true, he was notoriously kind of an asshole and always spoken ill of Hill & Giler because they got screen credit, were involved in the sequels, were seen as having 'ownership' over the story, etc. Hill & Giler's distinctive 'haiku' style is present on every page of the screenplay up to and including revisions in October 1978. O'Bannon and Hill & Giler's drafts are available online, you can judge for yourself.

I now know where I've seen this thing before.

It's fucking MewTwo!

It looks fucking nothing like Mewtwo except that it's white.

> Alien wasn't revolutionary.

If predators ever got their hands on the black goo they'd probably jizz their fishnets.

you don't

Mine is that the Engineers created the xenos to fight the Predators. Also that the reason Engineers consider the Earth was tainted was because of the Predator's influence on early man as the planet changed hands in the interstellar war.

we don't, we hope for the sequel to make things right.

i have high hopes

this, the entire fucking script needs to be thrown into a dumpster fire and rewritten by someone who doesn't start to suffer brain problems when they're making a functional plotline

There's no way to reconcile scifi movies from those decades placing CRT screens in the future, so there's no point in trying. Better that filmmakers just take a mulligan and try to give their current work some longevity.

But they did?
They use xenomorphs as prey for hunting. In comics they apparently are responsible for spreading the xenomorphs across the galaxy.

This sounds good.

>Predators = old gods
>Engineers trying to subvert them by sending Jesus.
>Humans kill the Jesus.
>Engineers decide to destroy Earth
>Predators somehow know this, and wipe up LV-223.

are you twelve?

anyway, Scott doesn't acknowledge the Fox universe (basically anything past his first movie). And while he liked Aliens as an action movie, he wasn't a fan of Cameron's depiction of the xenos as 'bugs', with the queen being some kind of matriarch. Prometheus didn't delve into anything past the first movie's territory (in fact, it went back in time), and it's safe to assume that neither will Covenant

>are you twelve?
No. Are you black?

It worked in a video game, why wouldn't it work in film?

Don't like Idris Elba?! Wtf, man!

not him but it sound like a twelve year old's headcanon bruv

predators are pleb tier anyway

I don't mind Elba but his character was terrible.

Wrong opinion, shit taste.

There was a video game where they explained crt screens in use a few centuries from now?

not him but it sounds like a black person's criticism m8

predators are cool in their own respective universe, but this avp thing is retarded af

not even the comics were able to pull it off, and I've read plenty of those

so you mean to say that the average black person has better taste and is smarter than you?

an odd way of self-critique, but whatever floats your boat

Cut all the overt spiritual references, keep them in the background a la bladerunner.

Focus on Guy Pierce and the establishment of a megacorporate dystopia based on his fear of death.

Keep all the alien stuff distant and cosmological horror like

simplify the alien life cycle

They seriously fucked up when they made the elephant looking thing just be a suit.

That shit made them so fucking mysterious and cool looking when I first saw it in Alien for 20 seconds and I didn't even know what the fuck they were.

kind of a roundabout way to say "no u"

>How do we fix Prometheus?
The spaceship that crashes is the one seen in Alien, the derpy giants created the xenomorphs outright. Derpy giants are to proper scale from the first movie.

There. There's your fucking prequel.

I'm just trying to understand

Kept the Space Jockeys alien looking.

Make it so that humanities relationship to them is that they visited stone age man and studied him is all, and then left some clues so that if we ever got off this mudball we could hit them up for whatever. They aren't themselves dicks just so far above us on the evolutionary chain we see them as such sometimes.


The scientists follow these clues and come to the world they were sent to to find that this particular place the Jockey's had was just a sort of outpost, and is derelict, because the xenomorphs got them

ancient surviving jockey xenomorph chases and fucks around with them, in the end they best it, and survivor + android heads out to the Jockey's territory proper to see what the fuck is going on

It was always a suit. The elephant is only the comic fanfic.

Hey guys, newbie here, in what order do I watch the Alien franchise? I heard Prometheus is a prequel, do I start with it?

>Derpy giants are to proper scale from the first movie.
There was no proper scale in the first movie. They were bigger or smaller depending on the shot. Close up with the humans the jockeys were smaller. Even the tunnels in the derelict are too small for the full size jockeys.

>Derpy giants are to proper scale from the first movie.
They're to proper scale relative to the closeup shot. They're not to scale to that full room shot where the director switched in kids for the main cast to make it bigger. Alien had an inconsistency and Prometheus picked what was doable.

No. Prometheus is a superset of the Alien universe.

Hell no, start off with the first Alien it's pure kino. I ruined Alien for myself be watching Prometheus first, all the mysterie was gone.

So ffs watch Alien first!!

Alien, Aliens. The rest is entirely supplemental and can be ignored.

They went with the lazy cop out option and the movie suffered for it.

I want to see what happens when that black stuff infects an entire ecosystem.

It seemed so cool to have a caste society that has pilots literally grown into the ship though.

>They went with the lazy cop out option
Ridley gave it to himself. The Space Jockey was just a basketball player all along. Learn to live with it.

lol you make it sound like promethus is this huge pop culture icon that totally over-rode alien

it isn't, you can completely ignore it

alien then aliens then alien 3

then prometheus

then blade runner, since it shares a common universe with alien/ prometheus

What? I doubt Lindelof was in charge of that, probably Ridley. What Lindelof did was omit details and make shit 'mysterious'. We could have had a straight-forward prequel that would have been somewhat predictable, instead we have a good-looking but flawed story-wise mess of a film. I have it and watch it a couple times a year, but even though I like it I can see its flaws. And I blame Lindelof for that, just look at that shit Leftovers show, or even LOST. The point of mysteries is that they have a reason and will be revealed, if you never reveal them then fuck you, it's like blue balls.

>you can completely ignore it
You don't seem able to.

Throw in Outland too for good measure.

Can I finish my coffee first? It's the only good thing in this thread.