>Same goes for the Sardinians, who acquired an infamous reputation for being untrustworthy and killing their master if they had a chance. Since the Sardinian captives were flooding the Roman slave market after a Roman victory over a serious outbreak from the mountain tribes, the proverb Sardi venales ("Sardinians for cheap") became in fact an everyday Latin expression to indicate anything cheap and worthless,[5][6] as Livius reported. Cicero referred to the Sardinians, ill-disposed as no other towards the Roman people,[7] as "every one worse than his fellow" (alius alio nequior)[8] and to their rebels in the highlands, that kept fighting the Romans in guerrilla-style, as "thieves with rough wool cloaks" (latrones mastrucati).[7] The Roman orator linked in fact the Sardinians to the ancient Berber tribes of North Africa (A Poenis admixto Afrorum genere Sardi[7] "from the Punics, mixed with African blood, originated the Sardinians", Africa ipsa parens illa Sardiniae[7] "Africa itself is the parent of Sardinia"), using also the name Afer (African) and Sardus (Sardinian) as interchangeable, to prove their supposed cunning and hideous nature inherited by the former Carthaginian masters. Varro, following the tradition set by Cicero, used to compare the Sardinians to the Berber Getuli, saying quaedam nationes harum pellibus sunt vestitae, ut in Gaetulia et in Sardinia ("Some barbarous nations use [goat] skins for clothing, like, for instance, in Getulia and Sardinia").[9]
SHITaly=Shit and full of nonwhites Sardinia=SHITaly Sardinia=Shit and full of nonwhites
Joseph Perry
>Sardinia=SHITaly ok now you crossed the line
Jacob Gomez
You're proud of desceding from Berber rape babies enslaved by the Romans and sold to the slave market en mass?
Joseph Kelly
stop projecting Mahmudrizio Zhang Al-Milani
Justin Parker
Ah yes, the NorthWest European race which extends all the way to Azerbaijan. Truly a marvel of scientific analysis.
Samuel Barnes
>I don't understand it therefore it doesn't exist stick to horses and arrows
Ryan Butler
What do Italians think would have happened if Italy had not confederated? City state period was pretty based imo
Nathan Brooks
There's nothing to understand. It's meaningless shit. It's not even haploshit, just pure shit.
Liam Bell
>In 177 BC, he was elected consul. He obtained Sardinia for his province, where he had to carry on a war against the revolted inhabitants. He gained a brilliant victory over the enemy, and then led his army into winter quarters. In the following spring he continued his successful operations against the enemy, and reduced them to submission. He killed and captured about 80,000 Sardinians. At the close of 175 BC, he returned to Rome and was honored with a triumph.
Anthony Rivera
>I don't understand it so it must be meaningless
Cameron Mitchell
Carthage being the bigboss.
Kayden Davis
So tell me about this miraculous race which settled Azerbaijan, Sardinia, Finland and Ireland.
Parker Cook
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Michael James
>miraculous race I can't tell you about a strawman you created yourself. Again, stick to mud huts and bone arrows.
Easton Wright
Carthage was long gone you retard.
Kayden Jenkins
the Vascoid race
Joseph Bailey
The map was made up by overlaying unrelated genetic components.
>This admixture was the main component of Mesolithic Europeans (including in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe), making up about two thirds of their genome. It was designed to correlate with the present distribution of haplogroup R1b-L51, representing essentially the Italic, Celtic and Germanic branches of the Indo-Europeans. When merged with the East European admixture below it should correspond roughly to the WHG map above.
>it was designed
Anyone can design a genetic component. In fact, I just designed a Sardinian-Nigger component which reaches 100% in Sardinia and the country of Niger.
Evan Hill
>The map was made up by overlaying unrelated genetic components. and? can you actually argue in something that isn't a strawman? of course it is a cluster made up of different basic folks
point is that it's pretty funny when shitalians talk about berbers/arabs when even a neolithic refuge like Sardinia scores more on a northwest Euro cluster than half of the peninsula, which tells you a lot about shitalian genetics
Ryder Davis
Sardinians are Berber/Phoenicians, Cicero himself said it.
Xavier Price
I must have missed Cicero's treaties on population genetics I guess.
Jonathan Lewis
But there is no cluster. It's just a map colored by a Belgian with severe assburger syndrome based on the frequency of R1b-L51 and a lot of imagination. It's not based on anything that exists in reality.
Mainland Italians are obviously much more closely related to Northern Europeans.
David James
>But there is no cluster. there is, it's based on those European K8/K-whatever the kind you find in Gedmatch and related, it says it's based on autosomal data, it has fuck all to do with Y-DNA
Thomas Price
designed is the wrong word. those components are based on Dienekes's old ADMIXTURE runs, before there was ancient DNA data. Maciamo just made the maps
they aren't literal of course, the name is just of where they peak and they incorporate various ancestral components to different degrees even when they correlate well with some of them
they were good for their time
Austin Jones
It's designed by overlaying actual and unrelated clusters until the result fit into Maciamos autistic ideas.
>It was designed to correlate with the present distribution of haplogroup R1b-L51
There is no genetic cluster which Sardinians and Azeibaijanis belong to and it sure as hell isn't North-West European.
Jack Nguyen
maybe, but the way it's done has fuck all to do with Y-DNA, if you look at the page it says it should be based either Dodecad or Eurogenes calculators
>There is no genetic cluster which Sardinians and Azeibaijanis belong to and it sure as hell isn't North-West European. see you clearly don't know what you are talking about
Jaxson King
He overlaid some of these components made up by Dienekes to create the "NW European" map. It's not based on a single component. I think he combined Gedrosian and Mediterranean which don't overlap much.
Lucas Reyes
actually looking at it again, this "Northwest European" component is neither in Dodecad nor in Eurogenes
maybe he ran the data on his own again for that one
Evan Price
>I think he combined Gedrosian and Mediterranean
doesn't seem to be those two but you're right either way. it's his own creation but I don't know how he arrived at it
either way those old ADMIXTURE runs are becoming useless now that ancient samples keep coming in
Hudson Nelson
B-b-but Sardinians and Azerbaijanis are still Celts and shit - r-ight?
Bentley Turner
>latrones mastrucati >Africa ipsa parens illa Sardiniae 2000 years late kek
Jack Morales
Kek we are subhumans
Hunter Anderson
Why do people always say Berber like it's a bad thing?
Wtf I hate whitey now.
Also Sardinians are Sardinians.
Brandon Walker
it's just hotheaded Itarabs angry our flag has 4 of their decapitated ancestors.
Lucas Scott
So the 4 black guys are A*aps? Wtf I love Casu Marzus now!
Joseph Lopez
>Eupedia >Accurate
Frank-French are Trojans, we're near Easterners related to the Hittites R1B-M269 not nord-cucks
Luis Peterson
Wrong, Sardinians are Trojans:
>nother myth tell that the old inhabitants of Ilium, better known as Troy, after the fall of the city established themselves in this part of Sardinia (where they mixed with the Iolaes), hence the name of Ilienses. Pomponius Mela considered the Ilienses as the oldest people of the island.
Thomas Morales
you keep building on your shitposting in a very nice way, I'm admiring it
Samuel Green
>shitposting
So you have no argument and you're reduced to name calling :)
Michael Scott
Trojans were actually White so no they can't be the ancestors of the French who have too many African haplogroups.
Besides, Troy was located in Finland not Turkshitland. Mycenean Greeks brought the stories about Troy with them from their northern homeland.
>All this butthurt yet no argument Feels free to refute my post.. oh wait !
You can't ;D
Jace Ross
The Sardinians=Trojans refugees is by Greeks so it's clearly not wewuzing
Eli Gonzalez
In Italy do people often discuss whether they have berber blood or is that just a thing on Sup Forums
Anthony Diaz
you're very correct
but to be more serious, he wanted to connect northeast Europe to the ideologically constructed roots of the West to an extent, as he himself has said, among other things but I'm sure he also genuinely believed the connection
the theory itself is based on inane linguistic comparisons and common Indo-European elements. it also ignores much of the scholarship about the Near Eastern inspirations of Homer
plus there's no need to connect pre-proto-Greeks to anything going on in the Baltic and Scandinavia. there are plenty of more likely steppe phenomena connected to their coming to the Balkans than a detour from Baltic Corded Ware
oh, he also tried to connect the Old Testament to the Baltic as well, the Egyptians to Lappland. it was good stuff
Joshua Hill
Probably Sup Forums only, I bet an average Italian knows what an Amazigh is.
