Anybody got some experience doing opioids and not destroying their whole life in the process? Last drug group I haven't tackled in detail, because everybody I knew who used it regulary is now 6 feet under. Used tilidine and fentanyl RC.
Also general drug thread
When I was in Germany I met heroinfags who have been using for over 40 years. You have to have a set routine tho and an iron will. They don't enjoy it anymore tho.
I tried it once and while I did enjoy the high (as long as i stayed laying down) I hated how addictive it was. As soon as i started sobering up I needed another hit or I'd feel sick and I couldn't stop myself from taking another. I've done just about every drug under the sun and I gotta say nothing comes close to how addictive heroin is.
Pretty much this, you need a system and a spine of steel.
If you take it once for the experience you'll probably be fine if you're careful.
That said it's easy for it to become habit. Your 'just try it once' can quickly become 'one more time'.
Why not just stick to psychedelics? Head trips are less life altering than experiencing chemical nirvana.
>did codeine
>boring
>did tramadol
>boring
>did oxy
>boring
>did more oxy
>boring
>did a lot more oxy
>boring
>ran out of oxy
Boring
its really really hard to controll it. i have a strong will and ive been addicted like fuck. dont do it!!
Why not enlist into a methadon programm, get sober and reset their drug tolerance?
I don't plan on using it in a fixed patern. I don't do drugs because I need them but because its fun as fuck. If you need them you shouldn be using them anyway.
When I was in high school I abused oxy, vicodin and valium.
I also tried heroin and cocaine few times.
Now I just drink and smoke lots of weed.
My dad used to do meth while working two jobs and getting like 4 hours of sleep daily.
That's how you OD and die.
I don't like the body high and visuals. Some fancy thoughts and some morphin is all it offers.
It's really not worth it. Addictive drugs suck, you spend more time craving than you do stoned.
opium once a blue moon is good
If you inject your old amount no wonder.
Just scale slowly up and don't get greedy.
yeah im a dope addict, been one for a couple years.
on methadone now. opioids are great but just do them maybe twice a week and theres no problem. no one sticks to that though so good luck heh.
I shot up heroin for like a year, it was the worst year of my life. Then went four years off and relapsed, ended up in a coma for 8 days on life support. Miraculously recovered. And now I can confidently say I'll never do that shit again. It's not safe, it's not fun, and there is absolutely no way to control and enjoy it.
>addictive drugs
You can get addicted to anything you enjoy. You develope the same psychic addiction by smoking weed. Football, TV, Games and other stuff is as dangerous addiction wise as weed. As long as you don't develop a body addiction you can just break the habbit with some determination.
What part sucked? Mental breakdown or cold turkey?
An opiod addiction is a physical addiction. Withdrawal symptoms are like the worst sickness you can imagine.
It's nothing like the "addictions" you're talking about
Liscenced Addiction specialist fag here.
AMA.
I once had to cover a shift of a colleague while coming down shit was hell. No weed to calm your body down and dizzy as fuck as soon you move.
Mental breakdown.
i did 2 oxy 20s and im a tiny little girl and it ruined me. i was vomitting so fucking much the entire next day and i've never done opioids again!
Wasn't talking about opiods.
They cause a severe physical addiction similar to alcohol or benzos. Using them controlled won't lead to an physical addiction only when used excessively.
Do they temper with your mind? How did they affect you negativly?
How did you become one?
From heroin to pain killers I've done it all. Know your limits and when to knock it the fuck off. I've seen opiates kill a lot of good people, but for some reason it never got it's hooks I'm me like that. Careful user it's a slippery slope.
That guy is proper fucked up
If he was doing meth daily and still getting 4 hours of sleep, he was using garbage meth.
I'd rather be dead than off opiates. It's possible to be better off with the addiction in your life, what isn't possible is for there not to be any problems at all.
Eventually, one way or other, being addicted is going to cause problems.
The biggest issue people run into is cost; only a tiny minority can afford (and have access to) limitless quantities.
If you pass that hurdle, legal issues are next up. Even if you have the money and access, it's not going to be legal (unless you're like dr. schmidhammer, god i wish i was him). Be it just possession, or something you're doing to support your access like dealing or stealing, even the most careful and smart people will get caught at least once every decade or two, and the consequences of even a short prison sentence are devastating.
Beyond that, most of us care about other people. And almost always, at least one of them, right or wrong, is going to be severely upset by and intolerant of your addiction. Eventually they will find out.
So if you think your life would be better even with these outcomes, then by all means start using opiates. Otherwise, stay away.
Did you inject?
One of my buddys used to shot everything from 2-fa to fentanyl.
I fucking hate needles so that shit never tempted me but is it worth the efort? Takes forever to set up, you can fuck your veins and skin by fucking up, wich I guess isn't that hard I already saw some shots going wrong. All the effort to get the kick at the beginning.
coworker/friend (and junkie) ate a live spider he found in a shed for $50 just so he could buy dope.
He functioned pretty normally, and if he didn't tell me, I probably wouldn't have known. Held a full time job and was actually a really nice friend and cool person to work with. He only had a mental breakdown once so that was good. He did eventually get arrested for possession and got probation and drug classes.
Overall as cool of a dude as he was, his life would have been 10x better if he was a junkie.
I won't go to jail even if cought, where I live you have to do something severe to chill behind bars. Taking that stuff without proper knowledge and without restrain is suicidal. Being 24/7 high as you can do it with weed is not the goal. The point is to use it like vaccation.
Once every few weeks won't be noticed and you won't have to suffer withdrawl
That's the thing most people don't realize about most heroin addicts, we really are nice people. At the end of the day, heroin addicts some of the nicest people I met, but we have this dieases of addiction and it makes us do terrible things sometimes, like steal. Thats about as far as I've gone, women tend to go farther. You know, dick for dope.
I've met some really great people, and I feel terrible for them. I know what it's like, I know what it's like to be up all fucking morning waiting for your boy to wake up and text you so you can go get well. I know whats its like to sit in bed, in a constant sweat, but feeling freezing at the same time, never being able to get comfortable. Sleep a word that has concept to you. THe restless legs is also the worst shitin the world. Imagine having to constantly move your legs or they hurt like a motherfucker. You never sleep unless you're high.
I;m on methadone now and while I don't do dope anymore, I feel like my life has been on pause. I have no motivation but I think its because of depression, not methadone. people give methadone a LOT of shit, but it SAVE LIVES. Undoubtedly.
I was a heroin addict for years, now on methadone if there is anything you want to know, feel free to ask.
Would eat the spider for 50$ without the need for money. Heck of a deal. Junkie meaning nonstop craving the drug? If you have other stuff to do than getting high 24/7 it's actually not that hard to manage your usage.
That's what almost everybody says at first.
How many people do you really think go into planning to do it every day when they know they'll wind up addicted?
unless you're in jail or have an obscene habit, there's no reason to ever been in anything more than slight discomfort.
the information wasn't as available in my early years, and some people don't actually bother, but there's no reason you can't almost completely stop withdrawal with OTC opiates.
Did you try to regulate your usage or did you just go balls to the wall ? Did you already had you depression or where they a result ?
I use meth the same way. Never unterstood being addicted to alcohol or meth. When sober I feel like shit and need at least 1-2 days to recover. With opioids I don't have that down phase wich prevents me from continuing at least the doses I used didn't had any.
Well Lopermide in high doses can cause severe heart issues, so I don't fuck that stuff unless absolutely necessary. As for other otc opioids, we don't really have that shit here in the USA, it varies by state but at least in my state you can't go out and get some otc codeine for example. At least as far as I know.
I started with regulations, not getting high more than once a week. That didn't last long. I can tell you thought the BIG turning point was shooting up for the first time. That was a mistake I regret every single day. Shooting up is the single biggest pleasure and pain in this world. The rush and feeling is amazing but you WILL pay for it. As in severe addiction, you won't be able to take anything else any other way. It's like going from taking an oxy 30mg and having to wait an hour for full peak effects, to having the same oxy 30 but having those effects happen almost instantly with the most amazing rush before hand.
It's just not a smart move, most addicts I know regret shooting up because its when shit got real for them. It's when you go from doing it once or twice a week to every single day just to not be sick. The feeling is that good that you just can't help but want it all the time, why wouldn't you?
The heart issues with loperamide are a bit misunderstood...
From what I've read, they've occured in cases where people were abusing it. 50-100mg stops withdrawal. The people who had the heart problems were trying to use it to continue gettig high, using 400-800mg/day long-term.
You still have to be responsible with it, but using it for a week or two to taper off is fine; or what i do, maybe 7 days total per month to bridge the gap between running out of money and the next paycheck
I am kind of afraid of needles so thats no concern for me but I know what you mean by turning point. Buddys of mine who used to shoot lived for about 1 year after they started
Dude everyone says they're afraid of needles. Haha, that shit doesn't matter when you want to get high. You just learn how to boot up and from then on you don't give a shit about needles. Besides, alot of the pleasure comes from fixing your works, you know pouring the dope in the spoon, mixing it with water, cotton goes in, sucking it up, flicking the syringe for air, etc. It's all part of the process. Seriously, no one is joking when they say they've heard all the shit before, because i have. I was you, I was that person who wanted to experiment. Opioids are weird in that they don't hook everyone, just a majority of people. For example, when Iwas first starting, 20mg of hydrocodone was amazing for me. I got so high and felt amazing the entire day. My buddy took the same dose and felt terrible, sick, throwing up all day. It just doesn't get to some people like others. However, be assured, if you get pleasure from opioids you're one of the unlucky ones. Because that means you have addiction waiting just around the corner.
>why wouldn't you?
Developing an addiction prevents you from consuming whatever you are addicted to forever. So getting a addiction is the last thing you want if you like what you are doing.
Well I'm already on methadone, which can and has prolonged my qtc interval, lope can do that plus even worse things. I say this because I swear to god last time I took lope for withdrawals(60mg at first, another 60mg four hours later), my heart hurt. There was pain in my chest. I don't know if it was psychosomatic, but it scared me enough to not want to do lope ever again. Beside the pain in my chest was almost as uncomfortable as my RLS.
Different guy. Someone who used to shoot up H I met said it wasn't really different for him from snorting it
Had plenty of possibilitys shooting oxicodon but never took any. Shooting is the line I never intend to cross. Feeling of pur joy and some itching had no negativ effects like vomiting.
The shooting up thing is psychological.
The winners for biggest piece of shit on earth i've known, the kinds that rip people off, steal everything in sight, fuck over their own family, etc.. they very worst have all been snorters only, and actually looked down on me, who does use needles, but does none of those scummy things.
i've been using 14 years, have been shooting 13.5 of it. but then again, im the outlier, who went not even trying to avoid addiction and had spent so much time in medical work using a needle was already extremely normalized.
this. i've posted more details before, but many a time i've seen people who were afraid of needles. you can see the curiosity in their eyes as they watch you do it, then see all their needle fear leave their body when their curiosity finally wins out and the say the famous last words, 'i just want to try it once, can you hit me?'
yeah if you're already on a drug that fucks with your heart it's a bad idea; odds are there was still a lot of methadone in your system bcause it's always building
when the half life is
Back and forth Opifag here, can honestly say I thought heroin was overrated, I much more enjoyed taking huge doses of various other opiates, heroin is too short lived for me and I don't like having to dose 800 times a day, one huge dose and I'm fucking gucci all day man, always used to take it before work and become a bolt of sweaty lightning that wouldn't shut up. In hindsight everyone had to know lmao
Odd, well everyone is different I suppose. I'm just saying for MOST people who shoot up it's an addiction in itself.
Is shooting worth the risks/effort?
Is there a lasting difference besides the initial kick?
Methadone is such a weird drug. I took the lope because I was in withdrawals, no doubt. It was only 2 days without but those two days were hell. I know when I'm in bad withdrawal when I don't want to eat ANYTHING and can't sleep worth a fuck. It was that twice like 4.
Todays monday so its my pick up day, I already went and picked up. Feelin pretty good right now. I did do heroin yesterday and I took enough methadone(my usual dose to get high), don't ask how much it's alot, over 200mg. I'm a little concerned that the dope still in my system will make me od with the amount of methadone I'm taking but ive taken more than this before and never od'd. I know when ive taken too much methadone because i get nauseous like a motherfucker. But then again it's only about an hour in and methadone takes about 2-3 hours to reach peak effects, even longer for peak plasma levels.
If it wasn't worth it people wouldn't do it.
At first it's more cost effective; but since peoples habits generally just expand to whatever they can afford, that's not a long term benefit.
The rush is the main point, and yes it feels way better than the rest of the high. It's like, a hug from a hot girl feels good sure. But getting head is better. Then there's a speedball, which feels better than fucking a supermodel in the ass while she screams your name.
Heh, I'd take a nice shot of dope over any sex. Any day of the week dude. Then again maybe I just havent gotten great head. Still though, cant imagine much being better than the rush of dope.
I was never a stim guy, the comedown is too much for me. So ive never done a speedball, can imagine it must feel pretty good though.
Yeah opiates are boring, don't even try em kids please. Waste of time. This guy is doing you a huge favour.
i took some codeine tablets my parents left in the cupboard for about 2 1/2 weeks until i took too much and felt like shit so i flushed the rest (not knowing that it was worth like $50 in aus fml)
that was the first drug i ever tried apart from lsd, which i use a fuckton of
Alcohol doesn't get you physically addicted. It's a mental addiction typically as a means to escape like other drugs do.
ops phyicals make you need more.
When you are hungover from your pissup the night before you don't crave another beer in the morning.
Well just because people do it dosen't mean its worth
People do a lot of stupid shit
Tryed anal? I read it is similar to normal shooting but without the need to set a needle.
No he probably just dosed very sensibly and accurately, a select few daily meth users I came across sleep every night and puff everyday. Usually the ones who use it pro actively to work. Your point is not invalid but legit anons dad probably was just a very sensible meth user, rare though. Is possible with the best meth I have seen it and I bet other methfags would of seen this before to in older dudes.
>Alcohol doesn't get you physically addicted
That is complete bullshit. Tell that to those who've fucking died because of alcohol withdrawals. It one of the few physically addictions that can fuckin kill you with withdrawals.
For me the meth high didn't last long. Gave me the energry like I when I was on Molly but I just felt uncomfortable the whole time and it seemed to fade pretty quickly. I did only snort it instead of smoking it so I might of not been using it to it's full extent. Overall I'd give it a 4/10, not completely horrible but not fun.
I'd call bs on his dad though, you'd have to be doing meth a quarter your day to function off it, which unless he had two ok paying jobs it would be a net loss pretty quickly. Actually I'm 100% about that statement, I never bought meth as meth, bought meth thinking it was just less cut molly so meth might be a lot cheaper.
This. My friends dad started fucking with meth again, ended up buying like 20 grill/smoker things. Spent all night putting them together with my help while I was stoned. Then we went to go get some burritos. Then he cleaned the house and his car.
I don't think he's doing meth anymore now, but he worked hard when he did. Slept for 2 hours or so on the couch.
the rush from coke is way more intense than dope. and the two of them combined, are such much better than just dope... it's hard to explain. maybe like the opposite effect; pain.. a dope rush is like stubbing your toe. hurts like a motherfucker yeah, but passing a giant kidney stone while having your fingernails pulled out, toes bashed with a hammer, and getting stabbed with a giant knife, is just a whole other universe of pain you couldn't even imagine possibly existed if the worst pain you ever felt before that was stubbing your toe.
that's what a speedball is like.
trying to explain pleasure with pain, heh nice. Sounds interesting but then again Im just not a stims guy. Then again Ive never done coke.
This
Not sure what you're trying to say here. I was just pointing out that alcoholism is both a physical and mental addiction. Alcoholism can and has killed people before. That's why they usually treat alcoholics with benzos in rehab because if they don't they can fucking die. Seriously read up on it, alcohol and benzo withdrawal has killed people, it's well documented.
>Alcohol doesn't get you physically addicted.
Bullshit. Alcohol is one of the few recreational drugs that can kill you if you cold turkey. Opiate withdrawals just make you think you're going to die.
OP your only hope is if you have enough will power to not do it for more than 2 days in a row and take a month break in between. You either have this ability or you don't. I can't teach it to you. So if you get in to opiates you're betting that you have this ability. If you've bet wrong enjoy a life time with a monkey on your back. You won't know if you were right until years after you've started chipping.
Otherwise make sure you know what you're doing with dosing and mixing with other depressants. If you fuck up it is not a stretch to think it will kill you.
t. person who did strong opiates monthly including IV morphine and heroin for 7 years without physical addiction then stopped for the last 3.
speedballing isn't like normal use of stimulants. you don't feel speedy and want to run around doing shit, you just sit back and enjoy the immense physical pleasure that's better than an orgasm and lasts minutes instead of a couple seconds.
Are you fucking 12 dude. Everyone uses them because they're fun.
Then you get addicted and need them.
Seriously complete lack of awareness
This is a really good point, Realest shit I have read thus far. Take note of this anyone who is starting out on any opiate for whatever reason.
I tryed to confirm you but sadly I accidently refered to some random post therefore causing confusion I am sorry
Yeah dude, people don't believe me when I say I've read all this stuff and have seen the same excuses over and over. Hell go to 420chan's opiate board, they'll give you the same treatment.
Its not something you take lightly, opioid addiciton is very very real and it is terrible. Opioids feel amazing, and thats why they're so addicting. more than any other drug, opioids have euphoria un-matched. Speaking of which, heroin has EXPLODED in the past 4-5 years. Soon all these fresh outta highschool trust fund kids are getting addicted to dope and now its an "epidemic", it's been like this for YEARS but now people only care because its effecting rich kids. I mean I come from a middle class home myself, but heroin was unheard of until recently.
Honestly who I feel bad for the most are the parents of these kids. The way I've made my mom feel, her thinking her son is going to die. That's the worst thing i've done. I never want my mom to feel that way, but that's just what happens with addiction. God-bless my mother and father and all those parents who have son/daughters with opioid addiction.
Pic related is a comic I made when I was about 16, when I was abusing opioids for the first time. Sums up my experience pretty well.
No prob bud.
Lmao yeah that reminded me of an old friend of mines dad, he would be up for a day or two eating sleeping etc for 2 or 3 hours at a time. Literally come have a burn w/ us of average but not shit tier meth and go fuck around in his shed, we would be wired the next day and he would of just woken up from a power nap for another puff and some chicken wings.
If you could describe, how shooting up Heroin feels like in one word, what would it be?
If you want to have fun then avoid opioid. go for raving with amphetamines and mdma, that way you'll have LOADs of fun! opioids are for when you want feelgood and trying to escape reality, if that's not why you came then at least that will be why you stay
Not that guy, but heres my take on it. One word is damn hard, but
Bliss.
The one word limit is tough but Bliss or euphoria are great ways of putting it.
Bullshit a lot of people use drugs to deal with their shitty lives. Using a drug this way you are lured into using it way to often and you become addicted, which worsens you're already shitty life resulting in a complete meltdown. When using it solely as pleasure you can controll your consumption since being sober isn't shit tier awfull.
orgasm
way better than that though.
Thank you so much man.
I've already read a lot about the effects of heroin and what it feels like (e.g. coming home from a hard day of work and then lying in the softest and coziest bed you can imagine).
So basically, heroin feels like Love, doesn't it?
Word, That comic is eerily familiar, I did not even know I was addicted to opiates until I ran out of hydro after having a very generous supply and then speaking to my friend who took them too off his dad and we spoke about how we were hella depressed lately and felt bored and sad always. Then I found oxycodone felt better then a year later after doing fuckall realised I was fucked without it, I'm not as good at getting the point across as you but it saddens me how innocently it started, I feel sorry for past self as well as my family who now are sus on me after a bad benzo habit while I resided at home. My mom was so upset about who I became. I still got support and shit from family so I can still smile and try do the right thing but I feel I'm still not over the hill yet, shit may get worse from here I'm afraid.
just got back from the methadone clinic. took 120mg
>fuck im a loser
I know, multiple addicts I know heavily discourage trying the needle
In a lot of ways, yes. Not to turn this into a blog but I was with my first love for 3 years. I had done opoids before that, but when I met her and fell in love with her, I didn't need to do them to be happy. Or to experience that kind of euphoria, because being with her was a daily euphoria in itself. After two and half years into the relationship, we moved in together. 6 months later she broke up with me and I moved back home. She and I were going in different directions, I was unemployed and not in school, she was in university doing amazingly well. When I got home, I tried to remember what brought me happiness before Kristen, and then it dawned on me.
Opioids. I went back to using them because its what I remembered making me feel amazing. That's how my addiction started, I tried desperately to cover the pain of the breakup with opioids, and it worked. For a while at least. but as my addiction got worse, so did my break up because I never let myself properly greive for my loss. I loved her, and hell in some ways I still do. But having everything you are as a perons rejected and dump like a pile of trash is one of the worst things you can go through mentally.
6 months after being back home with my parents I was shooting dope and being a full time piece of shit junkie. I wish she knew the pain she caused me., but knowing her she doesn't care.
Anyway, using opioids to deal with emotional pain is probably the best way to assure addiction. Don't do it.
It really is as simple as not doing them often enough to get hooked. Simple and easy don't mean the same thing though. It's hard not to do them if you have the money and a ready connection to get them.
They actually are better if you do them less though. That tolerance builds fast even when you are being careful about it, and it never really seems to go back down very much.
I'm in pain all the day so I get no choice to do oxy. Started in 2015 (october)
Do you still feel a high after daily use for 2 years? Did you try other painkillers or are they to weak?
I just did that with Kratom.
I ended using it everyday but it soon lost all the fun.
I decided to only take it on fri and sat. Whole last week I had those withdrawals. No sleep, restless legs, feeling like utter shit.
Then came friday and a half of before dose: the fun was back!
I believe you must do the same with opioids: tolerance builds up very quiclky.
Just take it for fun once or twice a week, no more.
Isn't Kratom a very mild opiat or functions like one?
I also take short breaks to get my weed tolerance down 1 week is enough although it's only for convenience or to save some money.
Don't let shit like this get you down so much. I hope you're doing better now and just try to make yourself clear, in what a beautiful world we all live in.
I wish you a lot of strength for the future, keep it up!
well if you're taking shit that's meant for fucking cancer patients and people who literally can't move without dealing with intense pain, then yeah you can OD pretty easily. just take a couple vicodin faggot.
I need to reduce my doses between 60 and 80 percent every 3 weeks for 1 week in order to feel again the high for the next two weeks.
It's very complicated not to abuse in the length. I'm very strict about it and it works. I've tried codeine but it's too weak. The best combo for me is 1mg paracetamol + 10mg oxy + 15mg anti-inflammatory in a take.
and btw i'm only 28
Not an opiate. Functions like opiates.
I had to quit drinking and kratom helped a lot.
But you build a nearly instant tolerance with Kratom.
Then I even think about using it only one day per week, not two because second day is not fun like first.
I still drink, but the 1/10 of what I used to drink, I now run every other day, lost 14 lbs, stopped pissing blood. My liver cells must be ok now.
odlfag here
Stop watching House faggot.
nobody watches that 10 year old show anymore, dummy.
>Anybody got some experience doing opioids and not destroying their whole life in the process?
>mfw
>ans: no
Kek kid your fucked, look at how much your obsession is already, been a heroing addict since 17, oxy dilluadid and opanas since 15, doing Speedball's by 18 and was heavily heavily addicted, did 2 years in jail, homeless since I was 22, and now I'm 25 and have 6 months clean, off everything besides my prescribed suboxone, stay off opiates and heroin man, not even once.
It's very weak. Like tramadol or codeine weak. I'm the once a month guy who got lucky in an earlier post. My tolerance kept on going up even with the break. It went from IVing 30mg of morphine to 150mg. That's why I quit. It got to where it wasn't worth the money. Quitting for a couple months would reset it back to 60 or so but it would rebound during a weekend binge. I was like fuck it I give up.
I'm surprised you didn't stop breathing and asphyxiate on your own vomit