ATTN: Lucid Dreamers
I've been getting better at identifying when I am in a dream, I'd say at this point about 1 out of every 3 dreams. Despite this, even when I am aware that I am dreaming I find myself unable to control the narrative of the dream.
It's literally like that Cheap Trick song "Dream Police" where some force is preventing me from doing what I want to do. Any advice?
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practice, practice, practice
how do you pratice?
Look at your hands in your dream. If you can do that, you can usually start to steer things in a given direction.
/x/ has more lucid dreamers, you can ask there too.
look at your hand each hour and ask yourself "am i dreaming?" everytime you do that. your brain will start to do this in your dreams in a couple days and when you look at your hands in a dream you'll know
Do you ever find yourself getting sleep paralysis often? it spooks me alot
nevermind your stinky dreams, where can i find more of that delicious female pictured
i know the hands thing. as well as the "mirrors don't work right" and "reading doesn't work right" hack. my problem isn't identifying, it's control.
i can't control much either, I guess it's just pratice. the more you dream the more you control
never experienced sleep paralysis. had a friend who did, tho. sounds fucking terrifying.
girl in pic is Jordan Capri, a popular softcore model from like a decade ago. big her, she's got a ton of stuff. happy fapping, user.
*big=bing
How do you know your not in a dream right now?
that's my problem i never watch softcore
meh, just look at your hands. this mindblow doesn't work
Next time you're lucid dreaming:
Find a clock. Create a temporal scenario. For every 1 hour in the dream only 1 minute will pass in the real world.
After about eight hours of sleep... You'll feel like you came back from a long, long vacation.
this is insane
thank you for watching Inception and CTRL+Ving.
one of my big problems is that when something exciting (read: SEXY) happens, my heart rate goes up and that naturally causes me to wake up.
Cant say ive experienced lucid dreams but i used to have an issue with "wet dreams" at first it was a messy and embarrasing issue to deal with but after almost a year of trying to understand when im dreaming, ive been able to realize when im in one and have fun, and stop myself before i make a mess. Feels good man
lol 1/3. ive been having lucid dreams forever. but after that i have sleep paralysis. im dont know why, i never practiced lucid dreaming.
In lucid dreaming I often find that my surroundings do not change when I become lucid.. I am simply now there.. more than a few times I have become fully lucid.. just as I am here and now.. I was able to breathe.. and laugh because I had no lungs there.. I could casually walk around and touch things and smile about how they were not there.. but now it was just as real as here and now.. I have often heard if you achieve that.. you will become stuck in the dream, however you can still tell that you are in a dream.. it is just different feeling than here.
I have always been aware of when Iam dreaming and not dreaming, I can control the dreams, but there is no fun in doing it, if find no joy in dreaming if there is no randomness that I dont have control over.
what do you guys mean someone can get confused the dream with real life? can you just test yourself by poking yourself and seeing if you feel the pressure?
fuck you. i read in an antiquated medical journal that wet dreams used to be extremely common, but then this God damned internet porn generation came along and now wet dreams have gone the way of the dodo.
in a dream you can't read, can't see yourself in the mirror and you never have five fingers on your hand, so it's preatty easy to tell if you're dreaming or not
Haven't done it for a while, not really trying. Used to do it all the time.
And yes, the double wakeup is actually awesome once you are used to the idea of these crazy dreams in the first place.
>never have five fingers on your hand
Maybe start forcing REM cycles to practice. Get shitfaced and set an alarm to wake you ~4 hours later. Keep trying to sleep, but smashing snooze a couple times to make your body feel deprived of REM.
Honestly? You can't.
I've been lucid dreaming a long time, but I rarely ever let myself fully lucid dream. A half-state at best. The reason being that when you're dreaming, you don't realize it's a dream because parts of your mind are dormant. When you realize it's a dream and you start trying to exert control over it, you are waking them up and then you yourself wake up quickly.
Direct control isn't really a thing, but you can influence dreams more subtly. Half-lucid dreaming, what I do, lets me recognize the dream is a dream and from then on I have access to my "programs." Over the course of many dreams I have linked an action to an ability, to the point where activation is entirely subconscious. There are three programs in particular that I make use of:
1. Flight -- The action of crouching and jumping up like I'm breaking free of some bind. Once airborne I can mentally guide myself how I please.
2. Ignorance -- Some explanation. This is what I use to evade injury and death in a dream. I ignore the danger and it goes right through me or disappears entirely. Standing in a hail of bullets, breathing underwater, flying through space, they're all components of this. The action is mostly just, well, ignoring whatever is trying to do me in.
3. Telekinesis -- A very minor form of control, since again I'm not trying to engage those parts of my mind and wake up. I extend my hand and something flies to it or i push something away. Depending on how deep I'm asleep, which I can determine by the vividness and complexity of the dream, I can do things like command energy, manipulate elements, etc.
Of course, even half-lucid is still not a foolproof thing. All it takes is one try too hard and you're getting yanked out back into reality. The less you actively resist a dream, the longer you can stay inside it. Sit back, enjoy the ride, maybe take a few turns off the beaten path, but don't hit the brakes even if something bad happens.
It's just a dream.
>poking yourself and seeing if you feel the pressure
that was similar to how I recognized my first lucid dream when I was probably 10 or so, I picked up a rock and bashed it on my hand, felt nothing, and "woke up" in the dream
well this sounds awesome. iv never heard of this until this thread. so you can basically do anything you want as long as you think about it in the dream? where can i begin to acheive a lucid dream?
I stopped lucid dreaming for that reason, your dreams can be used by your unconscious to relay ideas to your sleeping conscious
What i found is that if you keep trying to substitute these messages for your fantasy then you unconcious will actively disrupt your lucid dreamstate usually turning them into lucid nightmares
These nightmares can feel so real they may traumatize you
For me it felt like a load devilish roar would begin to shake apart my dreams and the more i paid attention to it the more intense it got. If i ignored it for too long develish apparitions would begin confronting me usually shifting into lucid nightmare
Use with caution i guess
This.
I've only lucid dreamed a handful of times. I just notice something is off and then I pretty much always take off flying because that is always the first thing I think of and then I forget I'm dreaming again. But that usually leads to something interesting like last time I destroyed a giant steel bridge to test my newfound powers. I got bonus super strength with my flying ability basically.
I can never manipulate the setting. I've thought of it a few times in dreams but never been able to accomplish it. Actually, you might be able to do it if you decide to go through a door and you decide what's suppose to be on the other side. It's seems like it might be too hard to visualize the environment though.
i have so many lucid nightmares. and i fucking love them.
Idk they shake me awake sometimes , ive woken up shaking a couple times afraid to shut my eyes
Best thing to do in a nightmare is confront and listen. A resolved nightmare wont reoccur
Woah there user. It aint my fault i experiance this stuff. Between you and me though its probably because i have a no fap mentality. Its never happened before but lately its been affecting me
Who is the chick?
i guess so. whenever i lucid a nightmare, its always like a movie. im never in it per say.
(OP here) are you me?
pretty much everything you said expect instead of flight I have (don't laugh) he "line launcher" ability from the arkham games, where I can quickly glide laterally from one point to another.
read the thread
I had a lucid dream once it was really creepy. I kept getting put in scenerios where i was about to die in a bus crash, so i would change things to protect myself. while i was safe this person i know im reallife appaered in the dream which caused a flashback to a time when i blacked out with that person in real life. Then they suddenly started choking me and it felt so real i was terrified and woke up. I genuinely thought i had recollected my blacked out memories from that night bc i remember having bruises all over my neck. Lucid dreaming seems so real
The biggest problem i had with it was that i was smoking synthetic marijuana at the time and having panic attacks in my sleep
Have something in mind that you want to do when you realize that you are dreaming. As soon as you become aware that you are dreaming, attempt to do the thing. When I was actively trying to lucid dream, I would focus on throwing a fireball(yup, total nerd move) when I became aware. I don't have a ton of experience, but it was something that gave me a little bit more control when I was actively trying to do this.
Yeah blacking out or sleeping can really throw you off in a dream, ive actually "woken up" in a dream before its kinda like when you dream you wake up and brush your teeth but you really didnt irl
If you lose control, close your eyes, think of a new place to be (a beach/ the moon), and twirle in a circle. When you open your eyes yo should be there. Completely freaked me out the first time I did it.
I've realized this mid-dream when I was filling up my car with gas. The numbers were just gibberish on the pump screen. Knew it was a dream, then controlled the direction of it.
I like to play a videogame before sleeping to have the notion of controlling a false reality in my head. I would also start observing rules that your dreams hold(how rain falls, how you breathe) thatll make it easier to tell yourself youre in a dream, you have to move though, you cant just stand there and have the world change, every dream will exist in a prestaged world you can explore, from there adjust the logic of it as you "figure it out". Also theres a fine balance of being aware youre dreaming without waking up, its mentally exhausting to hold on to the dream, but it gets easier, try setting your alarm to 1 in the morning or so so you'll be able to create a world to enter as youre on the precipice of sleeping, then just step into it
you have to unconsciously develop an ability to tell how when the threshold is that is you are straining too hard to alter the dream you wake up first of all, its a kind of calm automatic reaction to feeling as though you are being pulled out of the dream by your reckless attempt to change it, if you can yoyo back from forcing it too much a few times in a dream youll get how much concentration you are allowed to use. then, you steer the dream by slowly stressing the dream with your desire then maintaing it for a long time. it takes practice, but more than that sucess in attempting to bring yourself back into the dream from a time you strained too hard
i find that everything that the asleep you can semi consciously do to the ends of control the dream must be an unconscious reaction, for example i really wanted to fly in my dreams, badly enough that it stuck with me even in the dreaming state and as soon as i knew it was a dream i could immediately efficiently attempt to change the scene and fly, i knew it was what i wanted to do with my time. trying to steer your dream way off the tracks will either wake you up or force you to spend so much time driving it into your head the specific ways in which you want to try to use your head to manipulate a dream so that you can remember to do them in the dream that way
Anyone else ever "rewind" portion of their dreams that didn't go according to plan, then play it out over again to fix it the way you want it to end?
No thats gay
You'll get it, it takes time. There's such a thing as trying too hard as well. Try different strategies, something Will click eventually.
sidenote: i really really liked that movie.
I have sometimes random dreams of people getting murdered in some other countries pretty weird stuff.
not always.
Can relate. It was just recently that i learned that not everyone lucid dreams all the time. Just assumed it was normal.
synthetic weed? wow ive never heard of that. dont know if im some sort of fag but the 2 drugs ive done in my lifetime were lsd and dmt. could never imagine panic attacks in your sleep either.
Direct control is most certainly a thing
I dreamed i was being chased by this clown who could reach under doors up to the knob to open them so i couldn't get away. at some point I realized it was a nightmare and went lucid on his ass. conjuring a huge caveman club and crumpling his head in.
highly recommend, lucid nightmare is best feeling ever.
Next time you realize your in a dream don't try to control it. Instead say take me back to my body and watch what happens.
I close my eyes during lucid dreams to readjust, similar to what you described here. Once again, its something that takes practice, as a lot of time, when I open my eyes, I wake myself up.
Im not the same guy but that legal fake weed shit is horrible for panic attacks
Yes, had a lucid dream turn south and had to "rewind" and actively stop what had previously happened (in my case it was a car accident that killed my friends. Although i was able to stop the specific event, the dream still turned into nightmare until i confronted the apparitions in my dream, by appariotions in this context i mean the entities that my mind has created to represent different people or ideas or emotions. Most turn out to be representations of differing aspects of my personality that take the form of a friend or familiar person.
Is this how you astral project or enter sleep paralysis?
damn, must be worse if you have anxiety. that why my friends grow there own weed.
Its bad stuff
Was on probation in a prohibition state.
Worse withdrawals than the time i OD'd on heroin.
Sup Forumsros I don't really find guys attractive in real life but once I had a dream where I had sex with a man I I realized it was a dream and I was enjoying it so much and I wanted more. I mean it was so pleasureable that the sexual pleasure I get in real life wasn't even close, it felt like light electric shocks were flowing through my ass. How do I dream a lucid dream of similar scenario again
their* sorry im fucking tired
When I was a kid I was TERRIFIED of my grandmas basement in the dark. I used to have recurring nightmares about falling down the stairs and their being some kind of force field that would stop me from getting up the stairs
woah how was your experience with heroin? did you quit?
Sexuality is not dichotomic
Have you considered making your dream a reality?
had a similar experience a few days ago where i dreamed of a crocodile trying to kill me. i became lucid, tore the fucker's skull away from is jaw.. but my brain apparently hated me, as the lower jaw kept springing to me like a fucking magnet, sharp teeth sinking into my flesh. i darth vader'd and dragonball z'd that fucikng lower mandible to hell but it still persisted, and kept fucking attacking me.
my subconscious hates me.
Stop trying to fuck everything
sexual lucid dreams often prompts you to wake up
As a lucid dreamer, I recommend recognizing narrative patterns in the dream that seem to have triggers based on choices you can control. Flying dreams are great for this for me, because one of my dream check is to see if I can lift one foot in the air and then raise the other one to step on the first raised foot and hold yourself off the ground by stepping up onto your raised foot like it was a stair. This doesn't work in reality but frequently does in dreams. Having done that gravity in the dream seem more malleable and flying is easy.
Identify patterns to short circuit nightmares, and learn to manage your emotions in your waking life to have better control within your dreams. Emotional control is extremely power in dreamscapes.
sorry im a fucking noob to drugs. i dont do any of the cool drugs and shit
Ehh, its like taking an ambiguous amount of vicodin. Did too much "raw", which is the actual heroin before its cut with dormint (otc sleeping pill), and died for about 8 minutes before they revived me. Saw nothing, theres nothing left but this and nothing. But luckily for me i never shot up so it was easier for me to kick with relatively less damage done to me than if i did shoot up.
Would do it again but i wouldnt make a habit out of it, always hated throwing up the next day.
Yeah everytime I realize I'm dreaming and try to grope women I either wake up or think I'm actually not dreaming and about to go to prison
my sister got addicted to heroin. she's currently 1 year clean but lost her kids.
i'm an alcoholic, so i'll admit heroin looks like something i probably would have tried if it was legal.
Things being unkillable is common in dream antagonists. I attribute this to the dissociation most have with the concept of mortality and death. In waking life death often doesn't seem real without personal tragedy. Since I served 8 years in the military I find when I shoot a rifle from the first person point if view and have the target in sights, it actuality dies in the dream, and I think that's a matter of mental conditioning.
Find how you understand inflicting death in real life, and your dream life will change too.
Sounds about like what I've been able to do. Encounter a shitty moment, "rewind", and do the actions over again but revised to it turns out well. Like you said, sometimes it leads to further shit down the road in your dream.
i appreciate this post, user
Honestly, that's what being attracted to guys is like. It's not so much about what they look like as much as it is about what they can do to you. Imagining being held in their arms, them pleasuring you, feeling them inside you, etc.
As long as the man's appearance isn't directly offensive to me (like a fat neckbeard), then I don't care what he looks like, really. As long as he knows how to please me, I'll melt in his arms.
I'm much more physically attracted to women, I pop boners to pictures of naked women moreso than men, but sex with them just isn't nearly as exciting as with a man, and the thought of sex with the right man gives me a bigger boner than the sexiest woman.
It took me a pretty long time to come to terms with the fact that I'm bi because of this. I always figured that if I was gay or bi, I'd feel the same way about men that I do about women. The fact is, the attraction just works differently. For some people, at least.
yeah, id never touch heroin or any other hardcore drugs, such as heroin or coke. the most hardcore like drug i got me little hands on was some crystal lsd.
Get better reality checks so you're certain you are dreaming. Develop more confidence in your perception of reality and be more self assured as a person. Also learn to control your thoughts while awake.
that keeps you from sleep walking and doing stupid things
FYI
Yeah, nasty stuff. Weed is all i do now or acid or coke once in a while
Yeah kinda why i think that it has something to do with the subconscious trying to pass along a message and trying to get your attention
Try some MXE, its a powerfull dissociative like PCP but gives a more relaxing dissociative effect like that of ketamine
thank you user. i always thought i was doing it wrong and gave up after about 10 minutes. people always talk about this like it takes two minutes.
I was able to "have control" before while dreaming. Until one time it became a nightmare. I panicked and wanted to wake up. I knew I was already awake but somehow couldnt open my eyes or move.
After that i had a dream that I was being pulled down then eventually in a very big room with black and red drapes. Theres a gigantic chair at the other end from where i'm at and nothing else. I forced myself to wake up.
The next time I was "aware" that im dreaming again, i was being pulled up real fast. Forced myself to wake up again.
Ever since then, i realized i dont need that kind of adventure. Id rather go out to a titty bar and get hammered. Atleast whem im drunk, i dont even try to control my dreams or be aware that im having one.
yeah what happens if you abuse it?
Have a few nights of letting go of control and lucidity for every night you practice. Your brain needs unfocused sleep to Defrag, lucidity interrupts this.
Your brain might be trying to tell you something.
Have you tried resisting the urge to wake up and resolving your nightmares?
Imo only way to stop reoccurring dreams
Same
Ehh designer drugs are hardly studied but probably nothing good
Dissociative use long term can lead to delusional thinking
This is true for me.
Hands up if anyone else besides myself learned about the reading thing from an episode of Batman in the 90s?
I hate you. You are retarded and I hate you.
I was going to respond rationally but you've made me so furious that I just can't.
Not a bad theory. Though lucid doesn't mean forcing control, that's just one option and yes, I'd say the one that is less restful than lucidly enjoying the flow of a natural dream narative, maybe directing focus at the pretty or interesting bits.
I've read on dreams before. Rereading the same thing, now there is something difficult even when you will it. The best test for me is illumination changes not happening when expected, that lets me know to do another check because that isn't conclusive.
That's not true at all. Lucid dreams continuously evolve so there are no rules. It's impossible to say certain things remain constant across everyone's dreams.
I dunno how to control it, but I have at least 6-7 full long different dreams a night (I wake up a lot), and usually 1 or 2 of those are lucid each night. It gets really old when you can't turn it off. I honestly don't know how my mind comes up with so many different storylines and scenarios, it truly fascinates me.
i cant lucid dream on full sleep... usually on naps i tend to lucid dream.... but i get to enjoy the shit out of them. Sex and everything, but ive been practicing for a long as fucking time
this is why i stopped trying to lucid dream
paralysis sucks.
but i find that wiggling my toes will wake my body up pretty quick.
ive only experienced a "monster" once. it was insanely terrifying. but i was able to recognize that it wasnt real and toed my way out of it.